[B]*PLEASE HELP ME*[/B] SVS PB-13 Ultra {OR} Rythmik FV15HP Subwoofer {Experiences, Opinion,... - Page 2

Originally Posted by BeeMan458 

Now I understand the whole play it loud and the smile/fun factor thing but what I've yet to be able to wrap my think around is listening to anything above +/- 0 through the entirety of a full presentation. Other than to say you can go louder, what's the benefit of going louder or having more headroom than what is asked by THX reference standards?
My above is not ridicule nor argument. My above is a simple question for the purpose of someone rationally explaining a behavior; the perceived need to greatly exceed THX reference.
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Originally Posted by XStanleyX 

I wouldn't be driving a 350Z if I could afford a Ferrari. Bragging rights? Hell ya! Most people buy what they can afford. If you are driving a Ferrari you don't need to brag. I don't believe it's so much about bragging as people being excited to have them.

Originally Posted by Prime316 

I would go so far as to question the point of spending $2,000 on one sub. No one sub is worth that unless it's allowing you to sell tickets. I believe it is all about bragging rights.

Originally Posted by Prime316 

Ask yourself.....Why they are excited to have them?
With your car example...I really want a Ferrari brcause few others will have one. There are many cheaper cars that may be able to out perform it in many situations. So there is really no point in having it except to have that name.

Originally Posted by quattroatl 

You're way wrong. You don't know what you're missing if you haven't heard low bass in movies 30hz and below. Most subs don't have enough output below 30hz to make much of a difference.
It is painfully obvious when one watches a 5 star bass movie and the sub fails to hit those low notes in scenes. It was for me. The action on screen did not match what I was hearing because my subs could not dig deep.
As far as no sub being worth $2000, well that just your opinion. People spend money on different things. Unfortunately for subs, one has to pay up generally to get useable output for low bass capabilities. That's a fact.

Originally Posted by Prime316 

Yeah, these guys were great when I was making my sub decision. They tend to be a little Rythmik crazy at times but great. You actually asked about Rythmik though so you were on point...lol.

Originally Posted by Prime316 

I could be wrong but the original reason for having a home theater was not to see how low we could go. In that case, let's just go out and get a 5' x 5' x 5' sub and get rid of all the other speakers.
You can't get very usuable bass out of a sub for less than $2,000?

Originally Posted by Smigro 

I did not get all of the Rythmik hype either...then I got one and understood.

Originally Posted by Prime316 


You can't get very usuable bass out of a sub for less than $2,000?

Originally Posted by dominguez1 

Useable bass is completely room dependent. The bigger the room, the less useable bass a sub has as it will get absorbed by the room. I recently came across someone that had a 10,000 cubic foot room. A $2000 commercial sub would get completely swallowed by that room. For that room, you'd likely need a commercial offering greater than $2k as a start (JTR), and multiples to achieve appropriate clean output levels (reference).

Originally Posted by Prime316 

Ya know, I really want to hear a JTR or SubM. I've found a couple on Youtube but i'm usually on my laptop so none of the bass comes through. I wish there was some kinda place where the ID subs could be demoed. I know there are people to let people into their homes to listen to setups but I'm not really into that sorta thing.

Originally Posted by XStanleyX 

If you live in the Seattle area you're more than welcome to come listen to my subless system. Bring your sub with you. I'm sure we'd have a good time and I'd buy you lunch and a beer. Everybody here are good people. Except the beeman. Avoid him at all cost.

Originally Posted by Prime316 

Stanley, I'm sure you're a wild dude but i'm on the east coast so that would be some trip trying to drag my 15H behind me......lol.

Originally Posted by XStanleyX 

No, I'm actually an old man that is a tad bit disabled. North Carolina?

Originally Posted by Prime316 

Yep, the great state of North Carolina.

Originally Posted by XStanleyX 

Yep, good ol Tarheel. I was born in the Cherry Point Marine Corp. hospital. Next to Havelock. I knew there was something special about you.
Well, enough BS from me. Back to the couch.

Originally Posted by Prime316 

Go sit on the couch with a laptop and order you a sub. You know you want one.

Originally Posted by XStanleyX 

I am. Dec. 9th. I'll be pulling the trigger. Then I'll have to wait 2-3 days for them to put it together and another 4-5 days for UPS ground. I'll try and sleep through most of it. Oops, I mean Jan.9th
4 more days.

Originally Posted by Prime316 


I'm glad you like your Sub. It's just that the conversation should be a little more balanced. If not, then at this point then the other sub manufacturers might as well close of shop because they have nothing people want, right? I know that that Hsu makes great subs because I own one and I may be owning two pretty soon. From what I've seen Svs makes good subs from what I've seen but even they are being lost in all the Rythmik hype.

I'm still trying to learn more and more about this whole sub thing and I need different and varying topics on different subs.

It's like I get 60 % Rythmik conversation, 20% Svs, 10% Hsu, 7% of the big boys Seaton and JTR, and every once in a while someone will come in with a Martin Logan or Velodyne sub making up the rest.

Originally Posted by Prime316 

Let me guess.....PSA XS-15 OR 30?

Originally Posted by DualMono 

Perhaps there is something to "all the Rythmik hype".

Originally Posted by XStanleyX 

No, the Rythmik FV15HP. After tons of research it will fit my needs nicely.

Originally Posted by Prime316 

There just might be. I can't take anything from them. I just like stirring things up every once in a while.

Originally Posted by TOOdamnFRANK 

The prices i quoted may be off a little and rounded up. Also, I'm not buying 2 at once / multiples. Unfortunately there will be a 1 to 2 month gap between the purchase of the 1st and 2nd sub depending on my finances unless I hold off for 2 months, but I'm impatient at best.

Originally Posted by XStanleyX 

Except the beeman. Avoid him at all cost.

Originally Posted by dominguez1 

Bring it back to subs, of my collection of blu-ray's, I'd say over 75% of them dig below 20hz. So, it is very much worth it to me. I'd probably say 50% dig below 16hz.

The other thing that I would say is unlike the 65mph speed limit, sub content is not limited. There are recordings that do call for '150mph', however brief they may be. If the sub content is there and its within your budget, why not go for it? If you haven't owned a 12 second or less car, you don't know what it's like. Just as if you haven't owned a sub system that can produce clean, reference level to well below 16hz, than you don't know what it's like.

Deciding whether or not ULF is worth it, is certainly a preference thing. However, irregardless of your preference, reference does theoretically require 3hz playback. If you want to be 100% sure to deliver the content on the disc, than this should be your goal.

Originally Posted by Prime316 

Ask yourself.....Why they are excited to have them?
With your car example...I really want a Ferrari brcause few others will have one. There are many cheaper cars that may be able to out perform it in many situations. So there is really no point in having it except to have that name.

Originally Posted by Prime316 

Ask yourself.....Why they are excited to have them?
With your car example...I really want a Ferrari brcause few others will have one. There are many cheaper cars that may be able to out perform it in many situations. So there is really no point in having it except to have that name.