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post #61 of 95
Uncut or U.S. cut version?
post #62 of 95
The website lists it as the 116-minute version. I'm assuming, then, that it would have to be a print from the U.K. release of the film. That's assuming the website's info is even accurate, I've spotted several errors. They note Lawrence's 60th Anniversary, and Return of the Jedi (a '97 Special Edition print of which they showed as part of their "Totally Awesome" 80's series) is listed as being from 1983/1999.
post #63 of 95
I ask because the Lincoln Film Center here in NYC featured it for a midnight screening and it turned out to the the cut version. I'm highly suspect of there being any prints in the USA that are uncut.
post #64 of 95
You never know, it might've originated from across the pond and found its way over here. I'm betting it'll end up being the cut version, though.
post #65 of 95
It's interesting to note that Lifeforce was released in the UK as a 70mm blowup with a 6 track soundtrack. A few select theaters in the USA also screened it this way.



The poster artwork in the ad seems to have been borrowed from the French poster.
post #66 of 95
When I type in Lifeforce within imdb, Lifeforce does not come up in any way. The only way I was able to find Lifeforce within imdb, was to look up Tobe Hooper, then click on Lifeforce. I've never seen that happen on imdb before.
post #67 of 95
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Originally Posted by Thebarnman View Post

When I type in Lifeforce within imdb, Lifeforce does not come up in any way. The only way I was able to find Lifeforce within imdb, was to look up Tobe Hooper, then click on Lifeforce. I've never seen that happen on imdb before.

I just typed "lifeforce" into the IMDB search (ALL configuration) and it came up at the top of the list. However "life force" did not find a match.
post #68 of 95
Thanks for checking. Actually, it works now. It may have been my browser, however I tried it in both Explorer and Chrome.

Earlier when I tried it, I did it both ways. Lifeforce and Life Force. Neither would bring it up.

Anyway, it's not an issue anymore (at least on my end!)

Did a quick search, looks like they've had some issues before...

https://www.google.com/#q=no+results+from+imdb


There may be better ways to search for errors from imdb, however at least I found something!
post #69 of 95
Many search engines now try to use contextual information to "guess" what you are searching for, instead of returning actual, concrete results. Most search engines have been dumbed down for the masses.
post #70 of 95

Just ordered the Arrow Blu Ray Steelbook, can't wait as the transfer and extras are supposed to be superb:

 

http://www.arrowfilms.co.uk/index.php?tle_id=780

post #71 of 95
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Originally Posted by tele1962 View Post

Just ordered the Arrow Blu Ray Steelbook, can't wait as the transfer and extras are supposed to be superb:

Where are you getting the 'superb' from?
post #72 of 95
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Where are you getting the 'superb' from?

It has received further restoration work from Arrow and is getting glowing reviews from all sources. The Arrow releases are now probably some of the best restorations I have seen.

 

http://www.dvdactive.com/reviews/dvd/lifeforce2.html

post #73 of 95
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Originally Posted by tele1962 View Post

It has received further restoration work from Arrow and is getting glowing reviews from all sources. The Arrow releases are now probably some of the best restorations I have seen.

http://www.dvdactive.com/reviews/dvd/lifeforce2.html

Arrow does not do restoration, it will be the same master Shout used except Arrow will have changed the color grading. Direct image comparisons will give a better idea of which is better.
Edited by wuther - 10/19/13 at 8:45am
post #74 of 95
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Arrow does not do restoration, it will be the same master Shout used except Arrow will have changed the color grading. Direct image comparisons will give a better idea of which is better.

Oh yes they do.

post #75 of 95
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Arrow does not do restoration, it will be the same master Shout used except Arrow will have changed the color grading. Direct image comparisons will give a better idea of which is better.

While I agree that Arrow doesn't do "restoration" work on their licensed releases, different encodes, minor color timing tweaks and so on may make a subtle difference between the two releases. But I agree the bottom line is the same HD master Shout Factory used is going to be the source for Arrow's release as well.
post #76 of 95
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Originally Posted by Partyslammer View Post


While I agree that Arrow doesn't do "restoration" work on their licensed releases, different encodes, minor color timing tweaks and so on may make a subtle difference between the two releases. But I agree the bottom line is the same HD master Shout Factory used is going to be the source for Arrow's release as well.

James White & David Mackenzie would probably disagree about not undertaking restoration work.

 

Another fantastic restoration:

 

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdcompare2/timebandits.htm

 

 

EDIT:

 

Occasionally the same master will be used but the transfer will be different.


Edited by tele1962 - 10/19/13 at 9:50am
post #77 of 95
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James White & David Mackenzie would probably disagree about not undertaking restoration work.
Another fantastic restoration:
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdcompare2/timebandits.htm

Occasionally the same master will be used but the transfer will be different.

It appears that in 2013 Arrow has indeed been doing new scans on a few titles, however the overall vast majority of Arrow released have been masters given to them.

As for Lifeforce according to one quote of Arrow's booklet MGM did the master:

"Lifeforce was transferred from a 35mm interpositive. The film was transferred in High Definition on a Spirit Datacine at the Post Group in Hollywood, California. Audio was transferred from an original 35mm 2-track stereo printmaster mag. The colorist was Paul Schramm who acted with supervision from director Tobe Hooper. Mary Grace Nicolas assisted by Gary Teetzel managed the project for MGM."
post #78 of 95
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Originally Posted by wuther View Post


It appears that in 2013 Arrow has indeed been doing new scans on a few titles, however the overall vast majority of Arrow released have been masters given to them.

As for Lifeforce according to one quote of Arrow's booklet MGM did the master:

"Lifeforce was transferred from a 35mm interpositive. The film was transferred in High Definition on a Spirit Datacine at the Post Group in Hollywood, California. Audio was transferred from an original 35mm 2-track stereo printmaster mag. The colorist was Paul Schramm who acted with supervision from director Tobe Hooper. Mary Grace Nicolas assisted by Gary Teetzel managed the project for MGM."

Then further Compression and Authoring work was performed by Arrow providing a more superior transfer. Like I said same master different transfer.

post #79 of 95
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Originally Posted by tele1962 View Post

Then further Compression and Authoring work was performed by Arrow providing a more superior transfer. Like I said same master different transfer.

Encoding and authoring is not restoration which is what you claimed, even if I wrote 'not even close' it would be a great understatement. The superiority starts and ends in the master.
post #80 of 95
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Encoding and authoring is not restoration which is what you claimed, even if I wrote 'not even close' it would be a great understatement. The superiority starts and ends in the master.

Well let us say how the final image appears on the screen which by all accounts gives the superiority to the ARROW release

 

PS

Restoration of some releases, the transfer of others.


Edited by tele1962 - 10/20/13 at 3:19pm
post #81 of 95
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Originally Posted by tele1962 View Post

Well let us say how the final image appears on the screen.

Even thats not quite true if the display's not calibrated with dnr and sharpening are turned on or darbee is used.
post #82 of 95
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Even thats not quite true if the display's not calibrated with dnr and sharpening are turned on or darbee is used.

In that case then comment on PQ come down to personal and subjective choice and nothing to do with the original image.

post #83 of 95
It would appear they had the same SCAN of the film and have each tweaked and encoded it differently. I wouldn't call either a restoration. Restoring something means preserving the original elements and fixing areas that were degrading.

Now tweaking a scan can produce terrific results, as long as they don't go bonkers with DNR or disrespect the original look of the film. I liked the U.S. LIFEFORCE release and am now curious about the Arrow version.
post #84 of 95
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

It would appear they had the same SCAN of the film and have each tweaked and encoded it differently. I wouldn't call either a restoration. Restoring something means preserving the original elements and fixing areas that were degrading.

Now tweaking a scan can produce terrific results, as long as they don't go bonkers with DNR or disrespect the original look of the film. I liked the U.S. LIFEFORCE release and am now curious about the Arrow version.



The Arrow release is a step above the US Shout Factory release for three key reasons -

*Both cuts get their own Blu-ray disc - BD50 for extended, BD25 for Theatrical
*Isolated LPCM stereo soundtrack score for both versions.
* Better extra features including a 3rd commentary track by spfx supervisor Douglas Smith and a 72 minute Making Of Lifeforce/Cannon Films History documentary (not the much shorter vintage 1985 "Making Of" feature on the US Shout factory Blu-ray).

It's the essentially the same source as the Shout Factory release with some minor additional manual dirt/dust cleanup. According to several similar comments from those who have both to compare, the Arrow release features a noticeably better encode than the US release clearly due to spacing it over 2 discs. Significantly, the Arrow release doesn't have the very slight warbling or "phasing" soundtrack that the SF release has on the theatrical cut.
post #85 of 95
Dammit. I hate buying films twice.
post #86 of 95
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Dammit. I hate buying films twice.

The a good new rule of thumb would be don't buy any more Scream! Factory Blu-ray Discs that have an Arrow counterpart being released until they're both out. biggrin.gif
post #87 of 95
In these caps-a-holic comparisons Arrow comes across better then the Shout version, more film grain, crisper (not through sharpening) and a slightly warmer color grade. Obviously the same master and only slight detail increase but the lighting effects have a better gradient to them in the Arrow images.

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/multi_list.php?hd_multiID=254
post #88 of 95
Wow. That is night and day. What a huge difference in the encoding. The Arrow is far crisper with real grain on display. I am now forced to buy this thing. I guess I'll have to give my Shout/Scream disc to a friend.
post #89 of 95
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Originally Posted by wuther View Post

In these caps-a-holic comparisons Arrow comes across better then the Shout version, more film grain, crisper (not through sharpening) and a slightly warmer color grade. Obviously the same master and only slight detail increase but the lighting effects have a better gradient to them in the Arrow images.

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/multi_list.php?hd_multiID=254
If by "warmer" if you mean orange, then that is the what I see as well, especially on the face comparison.
The added grain is nice but I wouldn't say between Arrow and Shout is a night and day difference.
Maybe a sunset to dusk difference. smile.gif
post #90 of 95
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If by "warmer" if you mean orange, then that is the what I see as well, especially on the face comparison.
The added grain is nice but I wouldn't say between Arrow and Shout is a night and day difference.
Maybe a sunset to dusk difference. smile.gif

Orange?

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