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post #1 of 14
1/5/13 at 10:51am
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Hi,

I'm looking to get a receiver for my home theater set-up for Sony HX-800 Bravia 3D TV.
My living room size 12x20 and viewing area from TV is 12x13.. Ceiling is 8 ft high.

I have finally narrowed down to 2 receivers. Denon AVR-1613 vs Yamaha RX-V673.
Denon AVR-1613 costs $350 in most places. Yamaha RX-V673 originally costs $599 but NewEgg is giving 220 promo gift card which I can use to
buy speakers there, which makes the cost of RX-V673 to $2380.

Here is a comparison of the features of these two speakers in Crutchfield website.

http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/CompareTo.aspx?g=10420&cc=01&compareItems=01|033AV1613&compareItems=01|022RXV673&hidesimilar=y

It seems Yamaha model has more fetaures, inputs and watts per channel than Denon. The only main difference seems to be that
Denon has Audyssey calibration technology while Yamaha has YPAO. Is it such a huge deal breaker to choose one over the other?
Another thing that worries me is NewEgg's return policy (they charge shipping etc) while I am a Amazon Prime member and they have a easy return policy.

Please help me decide on the receivers listed above.

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post #2 of 14
1/5/13 at 11:04am
The Denon can EQ the sub while the Yamaha cannot. Some would choose the Yamaha for the better features and others would choose the Denon for the better audio quality. Decide which you prefer and enjoy! smile.gif
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post #3 of 14
1/5/13 at 11:42am
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The Denon can EQ the sub while the Yamaha cannot. Some would choose the Yamaha for the better features and others would choose the Denon for the better audio quality. Decide which you prefer and enjoy! smile.gif

Thank you jdsmoothie. I know about Denon quality from the past. But I have been out of the Hi-Fi world for many years. So I wasn't sure if any new players are dominating the field.
The Denon-AVR1613 has all I need. I don't need zone 2 and 7 channels right now.

I've read a lot of reviews and frequently see many comments about defective models and returns etc.. even for the most popular models including this Denon.
What would you recommend is the best place to buy so I can be safe about this issue and return easily without paying anything?
Is Crutchfield good? I am an Amazon prime member and their returns are easy. But not sure if I can return to them or Denon for issues.
The price now is $350 everywhere for the Denon model. Is this gonna decrease any further this month or next month considering the new models are gonna be releases in February-March?
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post #4 of 14
1/5/13 at 11:59am
Each vendor has their own return policy, some more flexible than others. The most often recommended sources are either Electronics Expo (15 day return policy) or AV Science sales, both of which will offer some discount off for MSRP if you "call" them, otherwise Amazon and Crutchfield (60 day return policy) are equally as good but you will tend to pay MSRP unless the seller on Amazon is Electronics Expo of course.
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post #5 of 14
1/5/13 at 1:04pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Each vendor has their own return policy, some more flexible than others. The most often recommended sources are either Electronics Expo (15 day return policy) or AV Science sales, both of which will offer some discount off for MSRP if you "call" them, otherwise Amazon and Crutchfield (60 day return policy) are equally as good but you will tend to pay MSRP unless the seller on Amazon is Electronics Expo of course.

Thanks. I've decided on geting AVR1613 from Amazon or CrutchField.

Now it's the speakers. Please refer to my other thread.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1449443/energy-take-5-pack-vs-def-tech-procinema-60-help-offer-ends-midnight#post_22784861

The Jamo was on sale for $130 a week ago and I missed it.

If I go the separate speakers route, I want to get a nice bookshelf speakers to begin with and then buy center and rears later one by one.

If I get these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882325059.

Is there anything I need to take it into account as far as matching center channel and rear speakers are concerned?

Center channel

http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-Center-Channel-Speaker/dp/B0018QROM2/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pdT1_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=29QNYH4GQ6AYT&coliid=I22UB883A8K78D
OR
http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-Monitor-Channel-Speaker/dp/B0002MPNLC/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=29QNYH4GQ6AYT&coliid=I1UAPH2VVAGIE8

Subwoofer
http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=29QNYH4GQ6AYT&coliid=IQ4CLQ95V8SK5



OR How about if I go for these, Can I manage without getting center and sub-woofer for a while?

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-SSF-7000-Floor-Standing-Speaker-Woofer/dp/B000OG4E2U/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pdT1_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=29QNYH4GQ6AYT&coliid=I1CNOX1ZB1L884

Packaged Speaker system

OR If I go for this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882325104
the subwoofer seems weak. Could sell the Prosub 60 that comes with it easily and get a powefull sub?
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post #6 of 14
1/5/13 at 2:12pm
I looked into get a new center channel for my theater and have read the Polk seems to be sort of hollow sounding and people suggested a BIC Venturi Center channel which can be found on amazon and bestbuy for around $100. So you may want to look into that and I just bought a JBL ES150 sub from amazon for $160 and it performs well in both music and movies as far as I can tell. I haven't broken it in yet. But I have a large basement and it fills it up just fine with the gain set very low. They also have the 12 inch version of the JBL for $200 which I would choose over the BIC IMO.
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post #7 of 14
1/6/13 at 7:11am
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I looked into get a new center channel for my theater and have read the Polk seems to be sort of hollow sounding and people suggested a BIC Venturi Center channel which can be found on amazon and bestbuy for around $100. So you may want to look into that and I just bought a JBL ES150 sub from amazon for $160 and it performs well in both music and movies as far as I can tell. I haven't broken it in yet. But I have a large basement and it fills it up just fine with the gain set very low. They also have the 12 inch version of the JBL for $200 which I would choose over the BIC IMO.
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Which one of these bookshelf speakers below will be good for the AVR-1613 receiver?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008225&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&ActiveSearchResult=True&CompareItemList=494%7C82-325-059%5E82-325-059-TS%2C82-290-269%5E82-290-269-TS%2C82-290-200%5E82-290-200-TS

The main difference seems to be the power input and the frequency. What difference the frequency makes?

If you see the comparison in the link above,

The Polk Audio Monitor30 Series II has a Power Rating of 20-100W. Frequency Response: 55Hz-25kHz
This costs $84 a pair.

The Polk NewMonitor 45B has Power Rating of 20-125 watts per channel and frequency response 47Hz-25kHz and Costs $169.

The DefTech StudioMonitor 350 costs just 10 dollars more and power rating is 20-200 watts and frequency response 26 Hz - 30 kHz.

The difference in frequency response, what impact it will have on sound quality? Which is better?

My Denon's power output is as below.

"Fully discrete power amplifiers for all 5 channels (120 W x 5 ch, 6ohm 1kHz 0.7%). Delivers the legendary sound quality you've come to expect from Denon. (75W x 5 ch, 8ohm 20-20kHz 0.08%)"

Since it has only 75 watts per channel, will using DefTech StudioMonitor 350 which can accept upto 200 watts per channel, has no use unless I upgrade to a receiver with higher power output?
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post #8 of 14
1/7/13 at 6:08pm
The extra wattage shouldn't matter since I assume you won't be putting the volume to full. I have a Denon receiver rated for 75 watts and Infinity bookshelfs rated for like 125 watts and I have never put the volume on the receiver past 50% or else it becomes unbearable. So I would go with the larger polks or the definitive and if you are using a sub the "26 hz" rating on the definitive won't really matter all that much. At least that's my opinion.
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post #9 of 14
1/11/13 at 5:39pm
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Thank you all. I've changed my decision and get AVR1713 instead. It has Audyssey-MultiEQ XT. But not sure if I should buy now as it is prices at MSRP in most websites.
Should I wait for the prices to go down in the next few weeks due to new models being released after CES?
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post #10 of 14
1/11/13 at 8:33pm
Denon doesn't release their models in stores until April or May.
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post #11 of 14
1/12/13 at 5:04am
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Thank you all. I've changed my decision and get AVR1713 instead. It has Audyssey-MultiEQ XT. But not sure if I should buy now as it is prices at MSRP in most websites.
Should I wait for the prices to go down in the next few weeks due to new models being released after CES?

Crutchfield has an open box of the 1713 available, that will save you a few bucks.

That might your best price right now from an authorized retailer that will give you the factory warranty.


Also, you can use a cash back site and get a few bucks back.

http://cashreporter.com/store/cashback-crutchfield/195/
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post #12 of 14
1/12/13 at 5:19am
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Originally Posted by zeeoo7 View Post

Thank you all. I've changed my decision and get AVR1713 instead. It has Audyssey-MultiEQ XT. But not sure if I should buy now as it is prices at MSRP in most websites.
Should I wait for the prices to go down in the next few weeks due to new models being released after CES?

Although the "authorized" resellers will generally always list MSRP on current year models, if you pick up the phone and "call" them, mentioning AVS Forum and asking for their best price, some will provide a discount off MSRP to include the two most recommended resellers, Electronics Expo and AV Science sales. smile.gif

Also, don't expect discounts from the other "authorized" resellers until the new XX14 models are near release. Review post #3 in the Denon AVR-XX13 Owner's thread linked in my sig to see when last year's models were released. The new models would be expected to be released over the same timeframe.

The "open box" 1713 suggested above would provide a 10% discount off MSRP with the full 2 year mfr's warranty. Crutchfield also offers a 60 day return period whereas the resellers suggested above only have a 15 day return period.
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post #13 of 14
1/12/13 at 4:30pm
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Thank you. I have a Discover CashBack card and checked in their shopping website. But Crutchfield is not listed in their list of retailers at this time.
Anyway, I noticed this seller called "HookedOnTronics" listed in Buy.com and checked in their original site as well. Denon AVR-1713 is listed for $389
with free ground shipping. But I don't know much about this company.

http://www.hookedontronics.com/show_product_details.jsp?cid=453279&c=1301Froogle&b=Denon_AVR-1713
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post #14 of 14
1/12/13 at 8:52pm
Hooked On Tronics is not an authorized dealer.

http://usa.denon.com/us/wheretobuy/pages/onlineetailers.aspx

For $15 more for the open box unit at Crutchfield, you get a warranty and a 60 return policy.

And you get can get 2.5% cashback at eBates plus a $5 signup bonus if you buy at Crutchfield.

http://cashreporter.com/store/cashback-crutchfield/195/

I personally don't see any real value or savings from Hooked On Tronics
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