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Anamorphic Lens for Sony VPL-VW1000ES

post #1 of 39
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What is the best option out there to use with Sony VPL-VW1000ES for CinemaScope viewing?
post #2 of 39
Isco III. Best lens on the market.
post #3 of 39
There are better lenses than the ISCO III but they are expensive. I think the cinema versions start at ~$15k. They make one that can use the full panel on the Sony vs 16:9.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1346057/world-premiere-4k-3d-dlp-passive-stack/180#post_21715698
post #4 of 39
Have you looked into our lenses at Panamorph? I recommend using the DC1 lens with the Sony 4k projector.
post #5 of 39
Did someone actually tried to use Sony VPL-VW1000ES and ISCo or Schneider anamorphic lens at 4k resolution?

If yes, how to set up projector to work with the lens? When I try to use Aspect button on remote, I see this message on screen - Not Applicable!

What I do wrong?
post #6 of 39
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Originally Posted by imobus View Post

When I try to use Aspect button on remote, I see this message on screen - Not Applicable!

What I do wrong?

You need to connect the projector to an active source before using the Aspect Button.
post #7 of 39
It is connected to PC, witch has 4K resolution video card.

When I switch to 1080 resolution Aspect Button works, when go back to 4K button stops working (Not Applicable!)

Also some buttons (remote) stop working when you use 4K resolution.

Help
post #8 of 39
Hi,

unfortunately Aspect controls and Motionflow do not work with 4K signals. Thats a huge downside for a 4K projector.
I really hope that Sony can/will fix that with a future upgrade of the VW1000.
post #9 of 39
PS:
Reality Creation also doesn't work with 4K

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post #10 of 39
I hope somebody finds out what the software changes do. The most recent. i am not supprised about RC not working on 4K. I think RC is part of the scaling algs (scaling controls of you will) taking 720p, 1080i, 1080p to 3940 x 2160 or 4096 x 2160. with native 4HD or 4K content there is no scaling done by the machine.I don't think they are post operative fine tuning if you will the image after the scale but the RC does work on native 1080p images displayed at 1080p with the 50ES. So I guess I really don't know.
post #11 of 39
Sony never mentioned that 4K resolution has no external anamorphic future. I called Sony Tech support (877-619-7669) and had to explain what anamorphic lens does. Closest what they offered me, zooming, but it looks like cheating to anamorphic feature.

Sony had to mention the problem before selling the projector.
post #12 of 39
Is there any third party 4K device to scale image for anamorphic future?
post #13 of 39
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Originally Posted by imobus View Post

Is there any third party 4K device to scale image for anamorphic future?


Not yet, but lumagen will have one within a year.

Are are you going to feed a 4HD or 4K signal in? Are you doing it now? There are two anamorphic stretch settings one can select in the 1000ES. The one for 4K is the 1.25 one or close to that I don't remember exactly. Everything thing is different because the native chip aspect is 1.89 not 1.78. For 1.78 one uses the 1.33 stretch. A true 1.24 anamorphic will set you back a lot. Rather than zooming by the projector, that lens does a horizontal zoom leaving the 1.24 stretch alone. So with an anamorphic you are still zooming, but the zooming is done by the second lens. One lens is better than two stacked and very special set up requirements are imposed to keep the first lens exit image small to use the sweet spot of the anamorphic. With a 4K projector having the projector zoom which it does both vertically and horizontally is not a bad solution. You really don't gain a hugh amount of light with the vertical strech and avoid other nasties. Also a lot lot cheaper.

Are you sure the stretch function won't work with an HDMI in 4K?
Edited by mark haflich - 3/12/13 at 5:49am
post #14 of 39
Yes, I have Sony 4K projector and feeding it from PC with 4K signal. Also I am using ISCO 1.33 anamorphic lens.

Projector has all anamorphic support under 1080 resolutions, when you switch to 4K resolution the option is gone.
post #15 of 39
What's the connection method from the PC to the 1000ES?
post #16 of 39
I am using HDMI to HDMI (Monster Video ISF® 2000HD Hyper HDMI cable)

http://www.monstercable.com/productdisplay.asp?pin=7022
Edited by imobus - 3/11/13 at 10:48pm
post #17 of 39
My guess is that there is not enough scaling power to vertically scale a 4HD or 4K image while there is for a 1080p image.
post #18 of 39
It is sad. Sony sells 20K projector and lies to buyers.
post #19 of 39
What lie are we talking about? Many projectors are missing features that many would like. A lie would be if the specs or owners manual said it had a feature and the projector does not have that feature. What about manufacturers that do not include lens memory. Are those projector manufacturers not telling the truth? Their owners manuals do not say that they don't have lens memory so they must be telling their customers a lie. Sorry that your projector does not have the feature that you want, but 4k support for an A-lens looks like it will have to be a feature on later model projectors, because no one is doing this at the consumer level.
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post #20 of 39
Sony had to put a note: external anamorphic lens future doesn't work with 4K resolution. We are talking about 20K projector not some 2-3K.
post #21 of 39
This has the potential for a flame war which of course every good salesman should avoid at all costs. Being an unemployed salesman and owning a 1000ES I however can fearlessly enter the flay.

Fitst, Tthere is no patent lie.

As for displaying anamorphic material, the Sony specifications laud the zoom features and zoom memory but do say there is provision (anamorphic stretch) for using an anamorphic lens. There is no specification for what input resolution one can vertically stretch, the manual is silent.

I never really thought about ever using this feature which offers two different streches (1.24 or 1.24 and 1.33 depending on whether the chip is used at its native 1.89 width (4096 x 2160) or at 1.78 (3840 x 2160). The machine is brighter than the average projector, has more pixels displayed than I can even visualize and I thought if I ever move to where I could use a wide screen, I would just zoom. A true 1.24 anamorphic with 4K resolution is extremely expensive and given the pluses and minuses I just can't see the reason for using an anamorphic instead of zooming, but whatever.

There are really no 4K sources available yet with rare exception. At first blush, I would have assumed that the vertical stretch would work at any input resolution. But thinking about it and how RC works, I would have concluded that it won't work at 4HD or 4K inputs. Scaling at 4K is a beast and it requires a hugh amount of computational power. Scaling at 1080p requires quite a bit and that's why many cheap prpjectors don't include anamorphic stretch. But at 4K you need at least 32 slide rules and lots of slide rule grease. I do see how a consumer might have thought the machine would scale but thinking about it as an industry pro I would have concluded it wouldn't. I think it was just an oversight by Sony not clearly specifying at what resolutions it would work. Given no 4K sources available and the advertising push for zooming and zoom memory, no one thought about it.

In any event, there will be a video processor by Lumagen coming out some day that will do the required scale if anyone should need it. One will just have to suffer zooming until then. Hardly a a big thing.

There are really no alternatives to the Sony at this point and I personally think it would be silly to reject purchasing it because it lacked the ability to do vertical stretch at 4K.
Edited by mark haflich - 4/24/13 at 9:27am
post #22 of 39
W.Mayer wrote on 2/28/12(post 673):

this lens in front of the vw 1000 is a 1.25 isco anamorphic lens that have a other quality the isco3 1.33 have.

i compare both lenses and the 1.25 is far better in every way than
a isco3 1.33.

i hate normaly such lenses in front as many know that read my posts since long time but i was very surprised to see how good this 1.25 lens is!


I try also 4k nativ with the sony and to my surprise i cant see a huge drop in picture quality!


so i think also to use this lens with my other 2 big pr. but there i use
big shift to down and left and right so it may not good to use it there but i need to check it.

if you may think to use such a lens send me a pm may i can help you.

this lens is a perfect add to the sony vw 1000 if the shift is not to much.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1389225/4k-sony-vw-1000-first-short-test/660
post #23 of 39
Of course he doesn't say that he is trying a native 4K source. What I think he is saying is native (not using a lens) and non native using a lens and not zooming.
post #24 of 39
Hi, been lurking for a while, and this is my first post. I've had this projector for about a year. I love it, but it's admittedly my first projector.

I'm new to this, so I'm probably missing something. I also have no 4K content sources, but in the manual on page 36, it says:
- Selectable aspect modes vary depending on the input signal
- The aspect cannot be selected for an input signal from a computer, or when preset memory number
96 (page 80) signal is input.

On page 80, it says preset memory number 96 is 4096x2160/24p.

So, it seems like the QuadHD inputs would work with the aspect ratio setting (these are memory numbers 93-95).

Also, pages 82-85 talk about what settings are available for which input signals. A number of settings can't be changed for the 4K inputs and some vary based on type of 4K input.

You can see what memory number/input signal you're projecting on the projector menu's Information screen.

Hope this helps-
post #25 of 39
There are no quad HD inputs on the 1000ES. The only relevant inputs are two HDMI ones which can only be used individually. On the new $49K Sony 4K projector which is based on the 1000ES chassis, the two HDMI inputs can be used dual link for 1080p 60 or one can be used as a normal HDMI input for 24, 25 or 30.
Edited by mark haflich - 3/13/13 at 3:19pm
post #26 of 39
If you need 4K content do this:

1. Download and install http://www.4kdownload.com
2. Go to youtube.com and search for 4K content.
3. Copy and paste www address to the 4Kdownloader.
4. Enjoy it smile.gif

My favorites:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFg_mlBFV2c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QET6vYvle4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx6eaVeYXOs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVzL48VgYZQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pSzhZ76GdM

and more...
post #27 of 39
Sorry, Mark- when I said QuadHD inputs, I meant the 3840x2160/24p, 3840x2160/25p, and 3840x2160/30p input signals (memory numbers 93-95). Those come over a single HDMI 1.4 port, right? I think those may work with the aspect ratio setting based on the manual.

And Imobus, thanks for the 4K links. I don't have a suitable computer to connect to the projector, but if I do at some point, I'll check those out!
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post #29 of 39
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

I hope somebody finds out what the software changes do. The most recent. i am not supprised about RC not working on 4K. I think RC is part of the scaling algs (scaling controls of you will) taking 720p, 1080i, 1080p to 3940 x 2160 or 4096 x 2160. with native 4HD or 4K content there is no scaling done by the machine.I don't think they are post operative fine tuning if you will the image after the scale but the RC does work on native 1080p images displayed at 1080p with the 50ES. So I guess I really don't know.



A funny thing is, that on the Sony 84" UHD tv the RC do work with a native 4K signal ( adding text - its on a 3840x2160P signal ) - but it do almost noting to the picture ( and picture is already so good, that there is really NO need for sharpness manipulation etc. ) only a very allmost invisible change to gamma and sharpness - wich I can live happy without, but I really would like motionflow to work, because it working very good IMO on 2K stuff.

dj
Edited by d.j. - 3/17/13 at 2:30pm
post #30 of 39
Great discussion. Thanks.

I've been struggling with going anamorphic, but now that 4K seems worthwhile and is gaining steam I'm just going to wait some more. HDMI 2.0 isn't out yet, either.

thanks again

Mike -- I had posted on another threat regarding the VPL-VW1000ES, all my answers were here.
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