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Originally Posted by Truquitos View Post

So what do you suggest?
I want the best my budget can buy and also I need to buy some bookshelf stands not too expansive stands, maybe 150 for both

Well I can only suggest what I have and hear. I can tell you that I have Ascend 340's across the front the CBM 170's as surrounds and a Pair of Klipsch RW-12d subs and when listening to Pandora or watching a movie I can easily have the volume at reference level and I have not heard anything bad come from my speakers. For the 170's I have the Sanus SF34B1 stands that were 129.99.
You can find out more at Ascend Acoustics website. here's the spec's for the 170's

CBM-170 SE SPECIFICATIONS...

Specifications


Typical In-Room Frequency Response 53Hz - 20kHz +/- 3dB
In-Room Sensitivity 91dB @ 1 watt / 1 meter
Frequency Response (Anechoic) 58Hz - 22kHz +/- 3dB
Sensitivity (Anechoic) 89dB @ 1 watt/ 1 meter
Average Impedance 8 ohms
Minimum Recommended Power 25 watts
Maximum Continuous Power* 200 watts
Maximum Short Term Peak Power* 400 watts
Cabinet Internally Braced 5/8" MDF, Magnetically Shielded, Bass Reflex via Rear Tuned Port
Dimensions H x W x D** 12" x 9" x 10"
Speaker Weight (each) 14 lbs each
Shipping Weight (pair) 32 lbs per pair
Tweeter (1) 27mm custom soft dome tweeter w/double-chambered neodymium magnet, ferrofluid cooled voice coil, wide dispersion faceplate
Woofer (1) proprietary 6.5” long throw composite polygel cone w/phase plug, non-resonant polymer chassis, rubber surround, shielded
Connectors (2) gold plated all metal 5 way binding posts
Inserts (2) ¼” x 20 inserts for simple mounting to wall mount brackets
*Unclipped peaks **Grille On
post #32 of 119
In case you want to read someones impressions between the 170's and Arx A1b they are auditioning them both at home. here's the thread.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1446006/ascend-acoustics-cbm-170-se-vs-arx-a1b
post #33 of 119
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Originally Posted by skidog View Post

In case you want to read someones impressions between the 170's and Arx A1b they are auditioning them both at home. here's the thread.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1446006/ascend-acoustics-cbm-170-se-vs-arx-a1b
thank you. i really like how the ARX A1b looks. what stand can i buy for them? and also i got the VSX 1020, do i need an AMP to power all my speakers with no problems. i will put those ARX as front and my 2 Polk monito70 as rear, the center is the CS2 and my sub Big America F12
post #34 of 119
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so i came down to 3 pairs
Definitive Technology StudioMonitor 55
ARX A1b
CBM- 170

which one is a best buy?
post #35 of 119
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Also, any bookshelf speaker stand will work?? Or it has to be a specific model?
post #36 of 119
Man, slow down!!

you have many questions and are not letting people respond with their ( somewhat biased) opinions..........

In regards to your most recent post, the Ascend 170SE's and the Arx A1B's are similar in price ( ~$300/pr) and will work well.......I think the bass response of the Arx's is more pronounced and multilayered, but it IS heard in the Ascends as well. Either speaker is fine.

The Def Tech SM45's are more expensive ( ~$260 EACH) and are in a different category with a larger midrange/bass woofer at 6 1/2 inches ( the Arx and Ascend are only 5.25 inches).........maybe better response, espcially down low, but I have not heard them........someone who has can give an idea about them.......
post #37 of 119
The Definitive Tech SM45s are $199 each (newegg, amazon, bestbuy), which puts them at ~$70 more than the Ascend 170 SEs and Arx A1bs.

The Arx A1b has a 135mm (5.3 in) midwoofer and the 170 SE has a 6.5 in midwoofer.
post #38 of 119
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

The Definitive Tech SM45s are $199 each (newegg, amazon, bestbuy), which puts them at ~$70 more than the Ascend 170 SEs and Arx A1bs.
The Arx A1b has a 135mm (5.3 in) midwoofer and the 170 SE has a 6.5 in midwoofer.

Thanks for the correction.....I knew something was not right as I posted, but I was going off memory( what memory).............
post #39 of 119
The OP did mention Def Tech SM 55's which are $270 open box at newegg and do have a 6 1/2 inch woofer, similar in size to the Ascends..............the Sm 45's have the 5.25 inch woofer, similar in size to the Arxs..................
post #40 of 119
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Originally Posted by padgman1 View Post

The OP did mention Def Tech SM 55's which are $270 open box at newegg and do have a 6 1/2 inch woofer, similar in size to the Ascends..............the Sm 45's have the 5.25 inch woofer, similar in size to the Arxs..................
So between the Arxs and def tech sm55, which one you think is a better candidate? Music "hip hop, Latin music"
post #41 of 119
I cannot opine on the Def Techs, someone else will have to..........

I think the Arxs will work out just fine, IN MY OPINION......smile.gif
post #42 of 119
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Originally Posted by Truquitos View Post

So between the Arxs and def tech sm55, which one you think is a better candidate? Music "hip hop, Latin music"

The answers will be subjective. Also, I can not speak for the ARX.

The Definitive is a real good speaker - smooth, and refined with good detail and definition.
It can handle what you throw at it - also, it was measured to be -3db at 44hz
post #43 of 119
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Originally Posted by Truquitos View Post

So between the Arxs and def tech sm55, which one you think is a better candidate? Music "hip hop, Latin music"

If you want DefTech bookshelf speakers that are similar to the current SM45 or SM55, keep checking Newegg daily for discounts on the older SM350 and SM450. They tend to go from $400/$600 a PAIR to $199/$279 a PAIR every couple of days. The design and sound output is about the same as the current SM45/SM55 but at half the cost. The cabinet on the SM350/SM450 is a more traditional square box design rather than a contoured shape. The new design is meant to match the 7000/8000 series and the older design matches the 2000/3000 series.

I'm thinking you will need a sub-woofer with ANY bookshelf set you choose because rap/hip hop is so demanding with low frequencies.
post #44 of 119
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Originally Posted by jevans64 View Post

If you want DefTech bookshelf speakers that are similar to the current SM45 or SM55, keep checking Newegg daily for discounts on the older SM350 and SM450. They tend to go from $400/$600 a PAIR to $199/$279 a PAIR every couple of days. The design and sound output is about the same as the current SM45/SM55 but at half the cost. The cabinet on the SM350/SM450 is a more traditional square box design rather than a contoured shape. The new design is meant to match the 7000/8000 series and the older design matches the 2000/3000 series.
I'm thinking you will need a sub-woofer with ANY bookshelf set you choose because rap/hip hop is so demanding with low frequencies.
Ok great! I already have a sub the big America f12. Recommended
Here by other users. Nothing too crazy. Also I have my polk monitor 70 and center CS2. Again just want to get some good bookshelf for now. Later on I will jump on a whole new HT with high end equipment. Maybe 10K, still debating
post #45 of 119
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ok, i have decided that im gonna give the Arx A1b a chance. so what stand should i buy? something below $120. thank you for all the help!!
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post #47 of 119
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Originally Posted by gtpsuper24 View Post

http://www.theaudioinsider.com/product_info.php?c=accessories&p=d-stands&cPath=28&products_id=44&osCsid=66ba88018520a6ec3b0c580ac99d9708
Those seem like very nice stands, although would probably be little more after shipping.
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=240-802
http://www.parts-express.com/cat/speaker-stands/2017
Few others depending on the height you need them at.


The D stands from Audio Insider are very nice looking, sturdy, and fit the Arx A1Bs PERFECTLY...................smile.gif
post #48 of 119
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Originally Posted by gtpsuper24 View Post

http://www.theaudioinsider.com/product_info.php?c=accessories&p=d-stands&cPath=28&products_id=44&osCsid=66ba88018520a6ec3b0c580ac99d9708

Those seem like very nice stands, although would probably be little more after shipping.

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=240-802
http://www.parts-express.com/cat/speaker-stands/2017

Few others depending on the height you need them at.
wow those D-Stands look very nice. i was looking at them when i was searching around the site but since they said something about Swan i was kind of confused. also im a really noob when it comes to stands but what do i have to look for in a stand when buying one so it fits my bookshelf speaker. thank you guys
post #49 of 119
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Originally Posted by padgman1 View Post

The D stands from Audio Insider are very nice looking, sturdy, and fit the Arx A1Bs PERFECTLY...................smile.gif
thank you padgman1. you helped me alot with your detailed review on the CBM 170 and the arx a1b. by any chance, you think the ascend CBM 340 SE are a step ahead of the arx a1b when it comes to music and HT? i know the prices is different and one has 2 speakers.
post #50 of 119
Hope I've helped some.......

Have no listening experience with the 340SE's........check in at the Ascend SE thread, read what people there have to say, then get either darkpoet or cschang to weigh in.......both have nice things to say about Ascends in general.

Realize that the 340SE's will be ~$100 over stated budget of $500..........
post #51 of 119
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Originally Posted by padgman1 View Post

Hope I've helped some.......

Have no listening experience with the 340SE's........check in at the Ascend SE thread, read what people there have to say, then get either darkpoet or cschang to weigh in.......both have nice things to say about Ascends in general.

Realize that the 340SE's will be ~$100 over stated budget of $500..........
i know but if the gain is greater i can def make an exception and spend an extra $100.
post #52 of 119
I think skidog above gave you a great answer ( he has 340SE's as his left/center/right front soundstage).........I know darkpoet has 170SE's as her left/right speakers with a 340SE center and loves them as well.

Don't think you can go wrong with any of these choices........

Also remember, stands will be extra ( if purchased) and at least $100 .........
post #53 of 119
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Originally Posted by Truquitos View Post

what do i have to look for in a stand when buying one so it fits my bookshelf speaker. thank you guys

Make sure it has a large top plate to fit the bookshelf on. It doesn't have to be exactly the same size but you don't want a top plate thats the size of a playing card. Also the height you want, because while your sitting in your seat ideally you want the tweeter to be at ear/head level or maybe slightly higher. Also make sure its a solid stand and not cheap plastic or something. Other than that its up to you. Once I though about it the Parts Express stands from Sanus might look better with the Arx than the Swan would. The Swan looks very shiny and glossy and the Arx are black ash vinyl they might look kinda odd together.

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Originally Posted by Truquitos View Post

thank you padgman1. you helped me alot with your detailed review on the CBM 170 and the arx a1b. by any chance, you think the ascend CBM 340 SE are a step ahead of the arx a1b when it comes to music and HT? i know the prices is different and one has 2 speakers.

Well since it seems like the A1b and 170SE are so close in performance than I would say that the 340SE and the soon to be released A2b, can be used vertical or horizontal, would be very close to each other or the Arx A3 tower both all three are similar prices. The 340SE would out perform the A1b more than likely as it has and extra driver and much more cabinet volume. Don't know if its tuned for deeper extension compared to the 170 or just for output.
post #54 of 119
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Originally Posted by gtpsuper24 View Post

Well since it seems like the A1b and 170SE are so close in performance than I would say that the 340SE and the soon to be released A2b, can be used vertical or horizontal, would be very close to each other or the Arx A3 tower both all three are similar prices. The 340SE would out perform the A1b more than likely as it has and extra driver and much more cabinet volume. Don't know if its tuned for deeper extension compared to the 170 or just for output.
The 340SE is tuned deeper than the 170SE (that can be found by just looking at the specs) and it definitely has more output.
post #55 of 119
Since I want speaker stands for my recently purchased CBM-170 SEs I checked out the link to the Sanus Steel Series at Parts Express. I looked at the reviews for the other sizes and several people complained about them being extremely difficult to fill with sand or steel shot and that the wire management system was very poor. Does anyone here have experience with these stands? I also looked at the Studio Tech SP stands which are in the same price range. Ascend sells the SP-30 stands for $110 (currently out of stock). The Studio Tech SPs come in other sizes as well, though I haven't been able to find anyone who has them in stock.
post #56 of 119
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

Since I want speaker stands for my recently purchased CBM-170 SEs I checked out the link to the Sanus Steel Series at Parts Express. I looked at the reviews for the other sizes and several people complained about them being extremely difficult to fill with sand or steel shot and that the wire management system was very poor. Does anyone here have experience with these stands? I also looked at the Studio Tech SP stands which are in the same price range. Ascend sells the SP-30 stands for $110 (currently out of stock). The Studio Tech SPs come in other sizes as well, though I haven't been able to find anyone who has them in stock.
One thing to keep in mind, that once they are filled with sand, you typically won't have to do it again.
post #57 of 119
As I said in a previous post I have the SF34B1 stands for my 170's and I can tell you the cable management is two plastic eyelet type pieces, one connects to the top of the tube and the other the bottom, they are pretty much a joke. If I cared about cable management i would just use a couple black zip ties. As far as filling them with sand or shot the holes are pretty small but honestly unless you are doing it for sound reasons I don't think you need to worry as I can tip mine pretty far and they don't fall over. I'll try my hand at some pictures one will be the holes in the top and bottom of the tubes and the other me tipping the stands as best I can while taking a picture.
post #58 of 119
Wow that was easy. stay tuned next I'll walk and chew gum at the same time! biggrin.gif
Anyway I used the four little rubber grommets on the top plate and my speakers do not move at all I could have tipped it further but ran out of arm. Had I let go it would have went back to upright position, however I'm sure I would have launched the speaker at that point. eek.gif
Mine are 34 inch stands so they would be more top heavy than shorter stands and honestly I'm not worried in the least the base is pretty heavy being it's steel.
Hope the pics help. smile.gif
post #59 of 119
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Originally Posted by padgman1 View Post

I think skidog above gave you a great answer ( he has 340SE's as his left/center/right front soundstage).........I know darkpoet has 170SE's as her left/right speakers with a 340SE center and loves them as well.

Don't think you can go wrong with any of these choices........

Also remember, stands will be extra ( if purchased) and at least $100 .........
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Originally Posted by skidog View Post

As I said in a previous post I have the SF34B1 stands for my 170's and I can tell you the cable management is two plastic eyelet type pieces, one connects to the top of the tube and the other the bottom, they are pretty much a joke. If I cared about cable management i would just use a couple black zip ties. As far as filling them with sand or shot the holes are pretty small but honestly unless you are doing it for sound reasons I don't think you need to worry as I can tip mine pretty far and they don't fall over. I'll try my hand at some pictures one will be the holes in the top and bottom of the tubes and the other me tipping the stands as best I can while taking a picture.
yes, i figure it will go above 600 plus later i will plan to get a new HT so no point. ill stay wit the arx a1b. thank you for the help
post #60 of 119
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Originally Posted by gtpsuper24 View Post

Make sure it has a large top plate to fit the bookshelf on. It doesn't have to be exactly the same size but you don't want a top plate thats the size of a playing card. Also the height you want, because while your sitting in your seat ideally you want the tweeter to be at ear/head level or maybe slightly higher. Also make sure its a solid stand and not cheap plastic or something. Other than that its up to you. Once I though about it the Parts Express stands from Sanus might look better with the Arx than the Swan would. The Swan looks very shiny and glossy and the Arx are black ash vinyl they might look kinda odd together.
Well since it seems like the A1b and 170SE are so close in performance than I would say that the 340SE and the soon to be released A2b, can be used vertical or horizontal, would be very close to each other or the Arx A3 tower both all three are similar prices. The 340SE would out perform the A1b more than likely as it has and extra driver and much more cabinet volume. Don't know if its tuned for deeper extension compared to the 170 or just for output.
thank you for the information. you mention things i wasnt aware, such as the level of the stand, and tweeter being at my head level
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