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post #121 of 673
Can anyone please give me advice on which receiver to choose? I had the AVR 3600 and it sounded great, however I had to send it back multiple times for issues with protect and statc. I'm thinking (and hoping) the newer model 3650 or 3700 might work better. I was dissapointed with the 3600 because i couldn't seem to get one that was reliable. I own an AVR 340 from 2006. That thing is a tank. It still works great and I love the sound. The only reason i upgraded to 3600 was for HDMI.

So basically, should I go with a 3650 or 3700? I don't use preamp outs, so that won't be an issue if I go with the 3650. I'm inclined to go with the newer model, but I'm worried that it will also have lots of issues. I'm thinking maybe the 3650 has been around longer and I have a better chance at getting something that will work for a few years.


Thanks in advance for your help!
post #122 of 673
Does anyone know if you can turn off the annoying on/off light and light around the volume wheel? Its really intense...
post #123 of 673
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Originally Posted by ATWindsor View Post

Does anyone know if you can turn off the annoying on/off light and light around the volume wheel? Its really intense...

The display dimmer ("Panel Brightness" in the System Settings) will also cause the light on the volume control to turn off.
post #124 of 673
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Originally Posted by shobaffum View Post

The display dimmer ("Panel Brightness" in the System Settings) will also cause the light on the volume control to turn off.

Hmm, seems you are right, althoug that is somewhat cumbersome and doesn't help with the power-light, but thanks for the tip.
post #125 of 673
Got my 2700 couple days ago, really like the sound. Used the ez-q setup and sounds great but had to turn my sub down a couple notches. Will fiddle once more comfortable with rest of stuff. Having a couple small issues- the CEC anynet between TV and Receiver is a royal pain, had it shut off but need it on for the ARC to function. And also I have my ethernet connected to a Cisco WES610N entertainment bridge and it disconnets and changes network settings when I have the network setting set to automatic. I have since entered the settings manually(copied from when it is working properly) and so far it is staying connected. Fingers crossed.
My harmony one is a work in progress also as my receiver seems not to want to sleep. As well the sleep function seems to work different than manual states. When first put to sleep(sleep mode displayed on front of receiver) u can start it up using air play and harman kardon remote app. But after a certain amount of time which I am not certain of the display goes blank and the air play and app will not longer work as stated.
These issues I am sure will sort themselves out so otherwise I am really happy-it is so nice to be able to see volume on tv when I change it as my old eyes were having awful time on old yamaha and the airplay and vtuner are awesome.
post #126 of 673
I just ordered a 2700 and should have it installed in a week or so, I'll update as I get some time on the unit. It is replacing a 3 week old Denon X1000 that I had a few issues with, and it's my very first HK product, ever. cool.gif
post #127 of 673
Anyone measured idle power with a kill-a-watt?
post #128 of 673
I am loving my 2700, and before I give a more in depth review I have a quick question:

I have the "Video Mode" setting at the default setting of "OFF". I set my Sony BD player to output "Original Resolution" from the disc, with "Film Conversion" to "Video" (off). That way I'm letting the 2700 do all of the processing, including scaling and film conversion (2:3 pulldown).

My question is, with the default "Video Mode" OFF setting, am I getting any film conversion from the 2700? I know the manual says that if I select the "Custom" mode, I can then select either OFF or AUTO in the "Film Mode Detect" setting, but that setting is only available with the "Custom" setting. I would rather leave the "Video Mode" setting to OFF, if I am still getting the correct film/video conversion.
post #129 of 673
I'm happy D Bone that you like your 2700. I love mine.
My guess is that 'Video Mode Off' does exactly as it says. The video is sent to the TV unmodified, what comes out from the DVD Player is sent to the TV untouched, I myself only use Video Mode for TV using the custom mode, I turn it off for my HDMI from my Sony Blu Ray Player to my HK 2700.
It's nice that you can use different Video Mode settings for different inputs (TV, Blu Ray, etc) It is a sweet sounding AV receiver, Logic 7 is the best for listening to 2 channel TV. Dolby Pro Logic cannot touch it. Dolby Volume I love for TV and movies, Once calibrated to your speakers it sounds even better. The VTuner Internet Radio is nice. I don't get good Radio reception where my av receiver is located, I love the VTuner.
Edited by Paulo72 - 7/11/13 at 8:13am
post #130 of 673
Another happy owner of the HK AVR-2700, as you can see from my review on Amazon.com posted on June 18, 2013.
I am indeed thorned as wheather keeping this when my Onkyo 818 is back from the repair center or not.
It is that good! Different sound though.
Edited by rispoli - 7/8/13 at 8:32am
post #131 of 673
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Originally Posted by D Bone View Post

I am loving my 2700, and before I give a more in depth review I have a quick question:

I have the "Video Mode" setting at the default setting of "OFF". I set my Sony BD player to output "Original Resolution" from the disc, with "Film Conversion" to "Video" (off). That way I'm letting the 2700 do all of the processing, including scaling and film conversion (2:3 pulldown).

My question is, with the default "Video Mode" OFF setting, am I getting any film conversion from the 2700? I know the manual says that if I select the "Custom" mode, I can then select either OFF or AUTO in the "Film Mode Detect" setting, but that setting is only available with the "Custom" setting. I would rather leave the "Video Mode" setting to OFF, if I am still getting the correct film/video conversion.

I asked the above question to HK and I got the following reply back from the tier 2 level of tech help:

"Thank you for your inquiry. When you set the Video Mode to OFF, it passes the video signal through to the display with only basic video processing. Basic video processing includes scaling and the overlay menu."
post #132 of 673
I posted this review of the AVR 2700 on Amazon, and thought I should post it here too:


I run a 5.1 living room based setup with 4 Klipsch WB-14s, 1 Klipsch WC-24 and a Cadence CSX-12 II sub. All of my gear is HDMI, as is all of my connections because I have no legacy gear. I had an Onkyo 709 that did what the Onkyo 709 does best......It burned up its HDMI board, and I have been trying to find its replacement for over 60 days. In the last two months I have had many receivers installed and they all found their way out of my setup for various reasons. The receiver that came the closest to staying was the Denon X1000, but I started having issues with video and audio dropping out or freezing on one of the HDMI inputs, so back to amazon it went. I did not buy the AVR 2700 from Amazon as I found it $200 cheaper from an online H/K authorized dealer. That being said, I would still be this happy even had I paid full price for it, because it's worth every penny.

The unit looks amazing, as it just exudes class. To me, it's the best looking receiver available today, with the Marantz units a close second. There is an LED status light on the front left face that changes color when in different states of power. When the unit is on it is a white light, and when it's off or in sleep mode it is an orange/red color. That light can not be defeated and is always on. The volume knob also has a bright white light around it, but it can be turned off by going into the settings and selecting 50% for the panel brightness. When you do something to the receiver like adjust the volume, the volume circle light turns on to let you know something happened and it goes off again in about 3 seconds. The unit is also quite a bit lighter than other receivers because of the digital power supply not needing a heavy transformer. Also, the unit is dead quiet when powering on/off, muting or changing inputs........No clicking like other AVRs.

The onscreen GUI is out of this world. It is so easy to get to where you want to get to, and it looks great while doing it. When you adjust the volume, you get an onscreen confirmation that also includes the current surround sound mode and it pops up in the bottom right of the screen. You can also select how long that the notification lasts on screen too.......Very cool. To me, the GUI is the best I've seen. Sure Onkyo may use cute little icons, but the HK 2700 GUI seems like it was designed by someone who also uses the unit themselves.

The EzSet/EQ calibration was super simple, as it's a one position procedure. It takes about 5 minutes to run through its various measurements, and the results were decent, but not without a quirk or two like most auto setup tools. It set my F/L/C as Large, and my surrounds @ 60hz (they are all clearly small) so I went into the manual speaker setup menu and changed them all to Small with a 100hz x-over. It's always best to confirm all settings after running the procedure, whether it's Audyssey, MCACC or EzSetEQ. The video processor does a great job as I ran it through my Spears & Munsil (1 & 2) Blu-ray calibration discs and everything looked great and all tests were passed. The unit locks onto an HDMI signal very quickly.

This is my 1st Harman Kardon so Logic 7 is new for me, but all I can say is WOW! Both the Movie and Music modes are awesome with 2 channel PCM signals. Much better envelopment and "weight" compared to PL II Movie/Music or DTS Neo:6 Movie/Music. I like the Logic 7 Movie mode so much, that I turned Dolby Digital OFF in my DirecTV receiver! I am not thrilled about how most broadcast networks deploy DD 5.1 ('The Voice' is a great example of awful DD 5.1) and now everything just sounds awesome with Logic 7 doing all of the work.........I know, I know, DD 5.1 is "supposed" to be better, but on DirecTV HD it isn't. I would never do this for my Blu-rays.

The sound of this unit can be described as "powerful and warm"......Don't take that as no detail on the top end, because it's there. My system now sounds much closer to a "real theater" than a "home theater". Tons of power that just seems to make my Klipsch speakers come to life. Bass is punchy and midrange has a nice weight to it. My 709 always seemed too harsh for me and that resulted in lower overall master volume levels. The AVR 2700 just begs to be turned up without listener fatigue. The AVR 2700 has Dolby Volume and it is enabled by default on each and every input, but at different settings for each input. The well laid out manual clears describes this. I ended up turning DV off on all inputs as I'm not a huge fan of it. Also, there are no funky modes like "music enhancer" or "MP3 enhancer", it's just H/K's DACs and AMPs doing all the work, and that work is very impressive....................This is far and away the best receiver that I have ever had in my home.
Edited by D Bone - 7/6/13 at 5:40pm
post #133 of 673
Can anyone confirm that the AVR 2700 uses a Faroudja DCDi video chip?
post #134 of 673
I'm with u D-bone- I really like the logic 7-both music and movies!! I have not yet shut off the dolby digital but its tempting.
Maybe a future firmware update will be able to let a person choose those settings easier but its a small gripe.
This receiver gets an A1 rating from me as well....
post #135 of 673
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Originally Posted by D Bone View Post

Can anyone confirm that the AVR 2700 uses a Faroudja DCDi video chip?

Yes..
The FLI30336, it is dated but still performs well. Also the HK HD GUI is written to run on this, and to change is a major s/w code rewrite. In the next generation HK AVRs for 2014 they will move to another video processor...

Just my $0.02... 👍😉
post #136 of 673
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Originally Posted by bigscreenbob View Post

I'm with u D Bone- I really like the logic 7-both music and movies!! I have not yet shut off the dolby digital but its tempting. Maybe a future firmware update will be able to let a person choose those settings easier but its a small gripe.
This receiver gets an A1 rating from me as well....

Whatever Harman Kardon does with Logic 7, Dolby should take a serious look at and see how to better their product. wink.gif

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Originally Posted by M Code View Post

Yes..
The FLI30336, it is dated but still performs well. Also the HK HD GUI is written to run on this, and to change is a major s/w code rewrite. In the next generation HK AVRs for 2014 they will move to another video processor...

Just my $0.02... 👍😉

Thanks M! With my Onkyo 709's Qdeo processor, I got some serious motion artifacts on Speed HD during any live race broadcast and even "skipping" the processor (Onkyo's term for defeating it) had no effect. With my 2700's Faroudja chip I get no such artifacts, just butter smooth motion and life like colors. "Dated" isn't always a bad thing........I call it proven. Thanks for the info. smile.gif
post #137 of 673
In today's home theater market...
Many statements are built around the latest, greatest just for marketing hype & fluff...

I still use a 7550HD (engineering prototype) now almost 5 years old and its audio including full-process Logic 7 and video performance is outstanding with my Pioneer Kuro plasma display. I have updated the firmware to be HDMI 1.4 3-D capable, plus its Room EQ system EZSet/EQ II works better than the highly acclaimed Audyssey. But what I enjoy most is the musical HK sound... Kleen but full sounding.

Just my $0.02... 👍😉
post #138 of 673
I posted the following update on Amazon regarding EzSet/EQ:

UPDATE 7/5/2013:

I ended up turning off EzSet/EQ as it seemed to actually make the overall sound worse. I really liked how the receiver sounded with EzSet/EQ engaged, until I did some A/B testing with it disengaged that is. As soon as EzSet/EQ is out of the circuit the whole system just seemed "to open up".......Almost like a blanket was removed from covering each speaker. It was easily heard with both test material and real world material. The top end suddenly had more air to it, and the entire sound stage became wider too. Bass did get a little boomier in the 70hz range, but that is to be expected as it is the character of my room, and I actually like a house curve. I tamed the 70hz issue by simply lowering the sub trim by 1db. I ended up doing a processor reset and manually setup the receiver so EzSet/EQ is grayed out and not in the circuit for my peace of mind.

The 2700 sounds splendid with only its power supply, amps and DACs doing all of the work, and doesn't need the digital hocus-pocus of a room EQ. If you don't have a SPL meter, then you can run the auto calibration to get a good idea of speaker levels, but don't trust its settings for bass management or even distance. Instead, break out your tape measure and do some research regarding your speakers' bass extension and set all speakers to small (as long as you have a sub that is!) and a X-over around 80hz........My system requires 100hz for all the satellites.

It's still a 5 star machine, and with how it sounds now............It's easily a 10 star.
post #139 of 673
D Bone, I agree with you. I myself tried running my 2700 with the EzSeT/Eq turned off and like it better. The sound is just clearer and the bass punchier. I swapped back and forth with the EQ on/off but now don't use the eq. It just proves the quality of the Harman amp, and how other manufactures use EQ to try to improve the sound. I would not turn the EQ off in my previous Yamaha or pioneer av receivers, terrible sound.
I love the sound in the 2700 un EQ'd, although I still love Dolby Volume for movies and television. Music I leave Dolby Volume turned off. I also ran an SPL Meter, found the distances good and the levels almost spot on, except the sub volume was way off. I also changed the crossover points, they were way off. With my speakers and room I like 60HZ for my JBL 530, 80Hz for my JBL 520C, and 60HZ LPF for my JBL Sub 550P
Now when watching TV (480i) source I run the signal straight to my TV and use an optical cable for the audio to my receiver. I lose the onscreen volume display, but I find the picture better. For Bluray/DVD I find the Video processor ok but I shut it off as my sony bluray does an excellent job upscaling regular DVD's. With BluRay if I close my eyes I feel like I'm in a professional movie theatre. Even DVD's sound very good. Music is on another level compared to Yamaha and Pioneer, just my opinion.



Update
I figured out the reason for the not perfect picture was a bad video cable from the Cable Box to the HK 2700 that sporadically messed up the signal. This was most likely/thanks to my previous av receiver, Pioneer VSX-1120 which is 17" deep compared to the HK 15", and thus a tight fit. I've since replaced the video cable and the video processor of the 2700 works very nice. The pio sounded ok, but the HK sound is on another level. I find the HK has more power which is funny as it alost weighs half of the pioneer.
Edited by Paulo72 - 7/11/13 at 12:45pm
post #140 of 673
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Originally Posted by ATWindsor View Post

Hmm, seems you are right, althoug that is somewhat cumbersome and doesn't help with the power-light, but thanks for the tip.

On my H/K 990 CD player I programed my remote to automatically dim the panel and put electrical tape over the power LED on the button.
post #141 of 673
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Originally Posted by Paulo72 View Post

D Bone, I agree with you. I myself tried running my 2700 with the EzSeT/Eq turned off and like it better. The sound is just clearer and the bass punchier. I swapped back and forth with the EQ on/off but now don't use the eq. It just proves the quality of the Harman amp, and how other manufactures use EQ to try to improve the sound. I would not turn the EQ off in my previous Yamaha or pioneer av receivers, terrible sound.
I love the sound in the 2700 un EQ'd, although I still love Dolby Volume for movies and television. Music I leave Dolby Volume turned off. I also ran an SPL Meter, found the distances good and the levels almost spot on, except the sub volume was way off. I also changed the crossover points, they were way off. With my speakers and room I like 60HZ for my JBL 530, 80Hz for my JBL 520C, and 60HZ LPF for my JBL Sub 550P
Now when watching TV (480i) source I run the signal straight to my TV and use an optical cable for the audio to my receiver. I lose the onscreen volume display, but I find the picture better. For Bluray/DVD I find the Video processor ok but I shut it off as my sony bluray does an excellent job upscaling regular DVD's. With BluRay if I close my eyes I feel like I'm in a professional movie theatre. Even DVD's sound very good. Music is on another level compared to Yamaha and Pioneer, just my opinion.


Whenever I turned Audyssey off on my Denon or Onkyo, it immediately sounded like an AM radio........Thin and lifeless. It was staggering how bad they both sounded, and I fully expected the 2700 to have the same results, but I was completely wrong....... It sounds incredible. I am loving the 2700's video processor myself and have left it at the default settings for all inputs, and set my Sony S5100 BD player to output "original resolution" video that was recorded on the disc, so the 2700 is totally responsible for scaling and deinterlacing. I really like the results on 1080i HD TV. I have to be honest, I haven't watched a DVD yet, so I don't know what that looks like.

The Logic 7 just blows me away. All of my HD TV material sounds so much better than with the native DD 5.1. I am watching NHRA Drag Racing as I type this and I just keep smiling as it sounds like I'm at the track. I ended up turning off the front panel since all it shows is the current sound field and source, and since I use "auto select" for my surround modes, I know it's either Logic 7 for PCM or native bitstream for everything else and I love the stealth look of my system.

What made me question EzSet/EQ, was I decided to break out my SPL meter and test disc to check the speaker trims on actual source material and not the internal test tones. Everything was pretty close until I got to the left surround, and not only did the pink noise sound totally different from any other speaker, but the SPL was a whopping 10db lower than any other speaker............10db! I then cycled the pink noise through all 5 speakers rapidly and each speaker had a change in the way the signal sounded from one another, with the left surround sounding the most different. The SPLs of the other 4 speakers were +/-3db from each other, which in my opinion isn't great, but I guess it was passable.

After the processor reset, I used the internal test tone & SPL meter to get all 5 speakers to +/- .5db without issue...........But! The friggin' subwoofer internal test tone was way too loud and I ended up leaving it at the setting that EzSet/EQ chose, and then lowered it 2db to help with a 70hz bass peak. I don't know what the internal subwoofer test tone's issue is, but I did some reading, and I am not the only one who has noticed it on HK's latest receivers over the last couple of years. EzSet/EQ also set all of my speakers 3ft closer than their actual distance. I'm not sure if it really matters, but I feel better knowing that my speakers are now set correctly by me.

All of that being said, the way the 2700 sounds in my room with "just" its amps/DACs is simply amazing! eek.gif
Edited by D Bone - 7/6/13 at 9:55pm
post #142 of 673
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Whenever I turned Audyssey off on my Denon or Onkyo, it immediately sounded like an AM radio........Thin and lifeless. It was staggering how bad they both sounded, and I fully expected the 2700 to have the same results, but I was completely wrong....... It sounds incredible.

This is also my experience. All Audyssey-equipped AVRs sound lifeless if Audyssey is not engaged, and considerably less loud. While I understand some other listeners (i.e. purists using the "pure direct" setting) may like it that way, I still wonder why so much difference, when the HK sounds same or better with EZset disabled (yes, I leave it disabled too, with Dolby volume set as "low" for music listening, "high" for tv).

One question for you AVR-2700 owners: do you also experience Logic 7 as too bass heavy? This is definitely my case: Logic 7 jacks up a lot the bass to the point of becoming unpleasant, with or without EZset engaged. As a consequence I am listening music only with Dolby Digital (dolby Volume "Low") and TV/Movies with 5-channel stereo (Dolby volume "High"). I wonder what am I doing wrong....
post #143 of 673
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Originally Posted by rispoli View Post


One question for you AVR-2700 owners: do you also experience Logic 7 as too bass heavy? This is definitely my case: Logic 7 jacks up a lot the bass to the point of becoming unpleasant, with or without EZset engaged.

I'm new to H/K and Logic 7 and hopefully M Code will explain further, but I read that yes Logic 7 in the form that we have has some sort of "bass enhance". It is noticeable when A/B-ing Logic 7 Movie & Music. L7 Movie seems to provide more bass and center channel definition than L7 Music. I read that L7 in the Lexicon units have various settings for things like the "bass enhance", while in H/K form there are no user parameter adjustments.

If you are running the sub at the trim that EzSet/EQ set, then maybe try backing it down 1-2db and see if that helps.
post #144 of 673
I have my bass on my HK 2700 set at -5 (experts recommend -5 on a scale of -10 to +10) and adjust the gain (volume) on your subwoofer to your liking. I have mine set at -5 and the gain on my sub (JBL Sub550P) isn't even at halfway. Sounds very nice, I love sealed subwoofers. I find with the EZSET/EQ disabled to mids and highs are clearer and the bass punchier.
post #145 of 673
rispoli, I myself use the Dolby Volume medium setting, don't like the high setting. Set the bass on your av receiver at -5, then adjust the gain on your subwoofer to your liking. Using 5 channel stereo to watch movies defeats the purpose of purchasing a surround sound av receiver. I myself had to turn the gain down on my HK 2700 running the same speakers I ran with the pioneer. I love the sound of the 2700. Also remember to calibrate the Dolby volume to your speakers.
post #146 of 673
Thank you all. I have experimented a bit yesterday. In my case it seems necessary to decide ahead whether to listen music on Dolby PLII or Logic 7, because they indeed require different bass settings. As you suggested, lowering the bass to -5 with Tone Control helps Logic 7; however if I switch to 5-channel stereo, Dolby PLII or DTS it becomes too bass-lean that way. Using LFE trim has much less of an effect. Leaving Bass at 0, Dolby PLII and the rest sound very good by Logic 7 is essentially annoying for the extra bass presence. It seems to me that with Logic 7 engaged all the speakers are being set as "full range" and start pumping bass like crazy. In addition to this, the sound is less enveloping than with Dolby PLII and much more centered around the front speakers. I am also considering a processor reset just in case something is wrong with the Logic 7 processing of my unit.
I have owned another HK receiver in the past, the AVR-347, and I remember Logic 7 to be my favorite choice. My speaker set was totally different, though....
post #147 of 673
I heard that HK was going to move to a newer video chip in 2014, but I couldn't wait. I love my 2700.
post #148 of 673
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Originally Posted by Paulo72 View Post

I heard that HK was going to move to a newer video chip in 2014, but I couldn't wait. I love my 2700.

Yep, there is always something bigger and better around the corner...........Supposedly better that is. wink.gif I like my 2700 as much today as when I first installed it, actually more in fact. Knock on wood, I haven't had any weird audio/video drops or freezes of any kind and it is a living room based unit that gets the crud used out of it. Best receiver that I have ever owned.
post #149 of 673
There is nothing wrong with proven technology, don't have to worry about the quirks with the new unproven stuff. Only once did I switch inputs, from TV to Blu-Ray and the picture was distorted. I just switched back to the TV, then returned to Blu-Ray and it was fine. Other than that it works flawless, The sound is another level compared to other AV Receivers I've owned. And that it actually sounds better with the room EQ turned off, proves toi me the quality of the Harman amplifier technology. I wouldn't think about tuning off the room eq in the other av receivers, they would sound terrible.
post #150 of 673
Ugh......My 2700 is on its way back to JR.com for a refund. I noticed yesterday that something wasn't right but didn't have time to check it out until today. Long story short, the sub trim setting no longer worked. I could lower or raise the sub trim -10db/+10db and there was no change in sub level with either the internal test tones or tones for a source. I called H/K and they advised a processor reset which I did but the issue remained. I was 13 days past Jr.com's 30 day return policy but the took it back with no questions asked.........Very cool.
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