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post #241 of 673
Thanks, M Code, for all your help. Can you or any other HK 3700 owner comment on the following question:

Is the incoming sound muted for a second or so when playing CDs or when changing audio signal over HDMI?
post #242 of 673
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Originally Posted by sdv5 View Post

Thanks, M Code, for all your help. Can you or any other HK 3700 owner comment on the following question:

Is the incoming sound muted for a second or so when playing CDs or when changing audio signal over HDMI?

I can confirm that. From CD/DVD/BR/media player inputs.
post #243 of 673

Please, No one uses the 2 hdmi out here ?

Or want to use in the future?

 

 

Unfortunetely the Harman kardon's assistence , and user care,  is very bad !

The person who answered me doesn't know anything about the audio on hdmi out.

 

 

I'm thinking later to change my receiver because of this.

 

In all models,  when you plug an hdmi out cable to your tv you get the audio from TV AND from receiver simoutaneously , right ?

If you don't like that , you could:

1- disable audio from tv speakers

2- put tv voume on 0

3- mute the tv

 

right ?

 

well, al these models i told, have exactly the same thing written at owner's guide about the option on menu (not sure only the oldest models avr 154 254 and 354):

If you go to the option AUDIO HDMI TO TV and turn it ON , the you can hear ONLY the audio from TV speakers.

If you go to the option AUDIO HDMI TO TV and turn it OFF , then you have BOTH audios simoutaneously. From receiver AND from TV.

 

Well , the new AVR3700 is THE ONLY MODEL that have 2 hdmi out , and the only model that don't work like all the receivers.

 

on avr3700 it work like this:

HDMI OUT TO TV: ON   - you have ONLY sound from tv speakers

HDMI OUT TO TV: OFF  - you have ONLY sound from receiver

 

Now let's use the brain, and think about:On old models (avr 154 254 354 1600 1650 2600 2650 3600 3650)

If you buy a receiver because of 2 hdmi outputs, that's because  you probably (99,99% of users) want to do this at home:

 

1- A projector and a tv at the same room.

In this case you use the default setting: HDMI OUT TO TV: OFF.

you only have to mute, disable, or turn tv volume to zero to if you don't want tv speakers.

 

My home il like second option: (I could do this with harman avr 3650)

2- 1 TV + receiver in room 1     , 1 TV in room 2

In this case, when you use only TV in room 2 , you only have to mute the receiver at room 1, and use audio from tv spearkers that's right?

You also can watch tv simoutaneously in room 1 and room 2  too. 

 

 

 

BUT,

The way avr3700 works, EVERYTIME i change place where i am watching tv, i  have to input 12 remote commands to change HDMI OUT TO TV option.  OFF to watch at room1 , and ON to watch at room 2.

 

Remember that like avr3700 works , IT'S IMPOSSIBLE to watch simoutaneously tv on room 1 and room 2 , because you have to choose where to get audio. From tv OR receiver.  It's impossible to have simoutaneously audio.

So , you CAN'T watch tv at room1 and room2 at same time.

 

 

 

Now I ask:

 

WHY THE HELL harman did this ?

Is the only receiver working like this, and now working like this with 2 HDMI OUTPUTS!

I thing it's a serious issue with these new models, and they don't want to assume that.

 

 

anyone have a opinion about this ?

Thanks


Edited by Buyshop - 10/28/13 at 2:07pm
post #244 of 673
Hi guys, i also own the HK370 model, i also have the AVR255 paired with the PA2000 bridge with the Infinity Primus series 2 speakers. what do you guys think is stronger in terms of power? 255+PA2000 or the 370 itself? thanks guys.
post #245 of 673
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Originally Posted by rispoli View Post

I can confirm that. From CD/DVD/BR/media player inputs.

Thanks, rispoli, for your feedback. So Harman Kardon receivers still mute a second or so of the incoming digital audio signal until they can lock on to the signal properly. It's a pity really. They've had this issue for 10 years and never managed to resolve it. I know there are probably good explanations why this is the case, but the fact remains that other major brands (except for Sherbourn) do not have this problem. It is too distracting once you realize what is going on. Too bad.
post #246 of 673
Honestly, who cares about this non-issue (mutes for a second). I came from a Pioneer and, yes it was a little bothersome at first. But once I turned on the unit and the heard the sweet sound, I was like, whatever. It was music to my ears.
Edited by Paulo72 - 11/9/13 at 12:04pm
post #247 of 673
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Originally Posted by sdv5 View Post

Thanks, rispoli, for your feedback. So Harman Kardon receivers still mute a second or so of the incoming digital audio signal until they can lock on to the signal properly. It's a pity really. They've had this issue for 10 years and never managed to resolve it. I know there are probably good explanations why this is the case, but the fact remains that other major brands (except for Sherbourn) do not have this problem. It is too distracting once you realize what is going on. Too bad.

Really depends how one has set the surround mode by priority..
On my 7550HD audio track load very qwikly, even for my Apple TV which is not HDMI certified. Note that on my Yamaha AVR, the audio tracks take significantly longer to load..

Just my $0.05.... 👍😉
post #248 of 673
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Originally Posted by sdv5 View Post

Thanks, rispoli, for your feedback. So Harman Kardon receivers still mute a second or so of the incoming digital audio signal until they can lock on to the signal properly. It's a pity really.

Well, you can probably live with that if you like the sound more than the competition...

However keep also in mind that the HK has a somehow "lazy" startup and input switching which is a further pain if using macros with a Harmony remote. Whatever command you send after "Start AVR" from the macro will not be received by the HK because it remains "busy" for quite a few seconds. Basically the HK will turn on but will remain stuck with the last input used.
I did not experience this with Onkyo, Pioneer, Marantz or Denon competitors.
post #249 of 673
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Originally Posted by rispoli View Post

However keep also in mind that the HK has a somehow "lazy" startup and input switching which is a further pain if using macros with a Harmony remote. Whatever command you send after "Start AVR" from the macro will not be received by the HK because it remains "busy" for quite a few seconds. Basically the HK will turn on but will remain stuck with the last input used.
I did not experience this with Onkyo, Pioneer, Marantz or Denon competitors.

You can program Harmony to skip PowerOn command as input select is sufficient to turn on receiver. In the Devices go to Receiver / Adjust Power Settings. Select discreet On and Off. For Power On select -None- command.
post #250 of 673
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Originally Posted by andriy View Post

You can program Harmony to skip PowerOn command as input select is sufficient to turn on receiver. In the Devices go to Receiver / Adjust Power Settings. Select discreet On and Off. For Power On select -None- command.

Thank you!
post #251 of 673
I am thinking of buying the 3700. Had a few questions/seeking advice:

1. I also own an avr645; doesn't work. The one thing I really liked about it is the discrete output transistors; enabling a rating of 7 x 75w (all channels driven. The 3700 does not have "all channels driven" rating. I have a large room, and I want that capability. Will the 3700 be able to power my 7 channels ( 4 speakers are LARGE) and 4 are small.
2. Has the build quality improved from the older generation?
3. Does the switching mode power supply any added noise or interference? Inherent in switching mode power supplies is the generation of noise.
4. Would you buy a 3700 or 2700.

I noticed that Amazon.ca (yes I'm from the land of the north) dropped its price from $1140 to $1030. Is that a good price. I wish HK would sell to Canadian's from their website.

I really appreciate the insight of the users of this forum.

Thanks.
post #252 of 673
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Originally Posted by cabron View Post

I am thinking of buying the 3700. Had a few questions/seeking advice:

I noticed that Amazon.ca (yes I'm from the land of the north) dropped its price from $1140 to $1030. Is that a good price. I wish HK would sell to Canadian's from their website.

I really appreciate the insight of the users of this forum.

Thanks.


londondrugs.com sells 3700 for $700 and 2700 for $550 with free shipping. I got 3700 from them
post #253 of 673
Hey Adriy

Thanks for your reply. I live in Nova Scotia thus, London Drugs won't ship me the 3700; but they will ship the 2700. Man $700 for the 3700 is an awesome deal. Wish I could get it. frown.gif

I might get the 2700 for $550 thinking......
post #254 of 673
You wouldn't even notice the power difference, it's not much. Its only worth the extra if you will be adding external amplifiers (has pre-outs). It also has a wireless connection for the internet radio. I always prefer a wired connection, always better.
post #255 of 673
Paulo, You have had your receiver for several months now. How do you like the 2700? Are there any quirks that you have found. I have a refurb 2600 that replaced my avr635 and I am reluctant to switch it out for a new unit yet. Thanks.
post #256 of 673
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Originally Posted by Paulo72 View Post

You wouldn't even notice the power difference, it's not much. Its only worth the extra if you will be adding external amplifiers (has pre-outs). It also has a wireless connection for the internet radio. I always prefer a wired connection, always better.

Very true based on my experience. I had the 2700 and then moved to the 3700: no noticeable power difference at all in my 5.1 configuration (but the 3700 gets hotter). I also posted a reference to a German magazine which measured the power of both and the results are shockingly identical. And I also prefer a wired connection (though not everybody have the router so close to the AVR as I do, so your situation may vary).
I now have sold both and if I had to buy again one of the 2 I would most certainly buy the 2700. For 550$ is a no brainer in my opinion.
post #257 of 673
I called JR to get their telephone price. They quoted $649 for the AVR3700. I may have to bite the bullet.
post #258 of 673
Sorry Harmon Fan, didn't answer your previous question. I love my 2700. No problems, works flawless. It sounds alot better than my 2 previous av receivers, pio 1120 and yamaha 663. I calibrated it better using a radio shack spl meter. Changed the levels (spl meter) and distances slightly (tape measure) Also chaged my speakers and subs crossovers I also don't use the ez set/eq. Dynamics and definition are better with it switched off. I usually leave the Dolby Volume on the Mid setting. Don't forget to calibrate the dolby volume using your L/R speakers. If your centre and other speakers sensitivity levels are alot different you may have to play around a bit with the adjustements. Hope this helps? With music it is on another level compared to other surround sound receivers.
post #259 of 673
I'm somewhat surprised that there aren't more people commenting/owning these receivers. They seem well equipped and the Harman sound is hard to beat in my opinion.

I'm thinking about getting the 2700 to replace my Yammy 663 which doesn't seem to want to produce sound out of the left speaker channel anymore.

I have a Harman 3490 stereo receiver that blows the Yammy away in terms of sound quality. I might as well go with Harman for my AV.
post #260 of 673
I had a yam 663. The HK 2700 is on another level. People read too many reviews which shoot down HK AV receivers. I don't know why they bad mouth HK. I used to read alot of reviews and was swayed away from trying an HK. The bugs which affected previous HK receivers also gave them a bad rep. If people let their ears decide then it would change. People think that buying an av receiver with alot of gimmick sound fields is a better value, when in reality all the extras most brand name av receivers have are worthless extras.
Edited by Paulo72 - 11/4/13 at 12:39pm
post #261 of 673
great points paulo. the 2700 is still my first choice. also on my radar is the pioneer vsx-1123. having a tough time deciding which way to go! tho in the end i think the h/k is going to win. its really the one i have my heart set on and if it develops problems i guess i can just deal with it IF that happens...
post #262 of 673
I've had no problems with my 2700. Wish it had pass through but I can live with it. I just use the optical input from my TV. Only need it for my XBMC Media Player which only has an HDMI output (The Little Black Box). My previous receiver was a pioneer vsx-1120 (Elite 32 clone). I tweaked the hell out of it but something was missing. Sold it, purchased the 2700 and found what was missing. Very easy to set up, sounds excellent (prefer with the room correction switched off. Wouldn't think of turning MCACC off in the Pio. would sound lifeless). The 2700 is about half the weight of the 1120, Dolby volume is an excellent Volume Level Control, beats THX Select 2, and most say better than audyssey dynamic eq / volume. Logic 7 movie is the best for TV listening (only available on an HK). Hope you have luck with your HK, have had no problems with mine.
Edited by Paulo72 - 11/4/13 at 4:14pm
post #263 of 673
yes thanks, im hoping so! great to hear the positive experiences. i have absolutely zero need for pass thru... no desire to listen to anything thru tv speakers! so really a non issue for me. thought i remembered you mentioning that 'something' was missing but hadn't gone back to re read the thread to see what brand. i'm sort of holding out until closer to thanksgiving wondering if i can get a lower price. but who knows, may just make the phone call tomorrow!
post #264 of 673
Just ordered a 3700 from London Drugs, for $700; was going to get the 2700 for $550; but what the heck I have 2 velodyne subs that would work well with it. can't wait to set it up when it gets here.

Will post when i get it set up.

Thx
Edited by rdm101 - 11/5/13 at 3:25am
post #265 of 673

Just bought this and had delivered yesterday.

 

This is my 3rd Av recover from HK and def the best yet!!

A little bit disappointed in the loss of power but has just enough to keep me happy.

 

My only issue is the lack of ability in controlling the LFE when listening to stereo sources... its set up perfect for movies etc but needs to be able to trim it down/up depending on what im listening too.. anybody get any workarounds?

post #266 of 673
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Originally Posted by redzuk View Post

Just bought this and had delivered yesterday.

This is my 3rd Av recover from HK and def the best yet!!
A little bit disappointed in the loss of power but has just enough to keep me happy.

My only issue is the lack of ability in controlling the LFE when listening to stereo sources... its set up perfect for movies etc but needs to be able to trim it down/up depending on what im listening too.. anybody get any workarounds?

I found that there is less bass output with stereo sources (without LFE channel). So I set subwoofer volume and level based on my music taste for this kind of material first. This bass level is too high for movies and SACDs so then I use LFE trim to cut down bass output for those sources (usually around -4 -6 dB)
post #267 of 673
Ok.. Maybe a bit more time playing around I will sort this out..

Anybody else experience 'pops''bumps' and or crackles when changing channels on a hdmi connected cable tv box?
post #268 of 673
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Originally Posted by redzuk View Post

Just bought this and had delivered yesterday.

This is my 3rd Av recover from HK and def the best yet!!
A little bit disappointed in the loss of power but has just enough to keep me happy.

My only issue is the lack of ability in controlling the LFE when listening to stereo sources... its set up perfect for movies etc but needs to be able to trim it down/up depending on what im listening too.. anybody get any workarounds?

Stereo does not have LFE to my knowledge.
post #269 of 673
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

Stereo does not have LFE to my knowledge.

A stereo source will likely not have an LFE track but the receiver can create one if you set the Bass Manager to LFE+L/R or All Speakers SMALL..

Just my $0.05... 👍😉
post #270 of 673

yes.. i have large fronts so set to LFE+L/R so therefore its is creating an LFE track from the stereo.

 

On my AVR645 the WOOFER level could be controlled in this situation and was very handy for tweaking the level and cant understand why it would have been removed. Im afraid this could be a deal breaker if i cant get it to work for me...  :(

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