CES: Panasonic Unveils 2013 TVs; New Smart TV Interface - Page 9

Originally Posted by D-Nice 



Also, keep in mind that just like calibrated video mode(s), the non calibrated video modes will drift and shift over time.

Originally Posted by Glashub 

Hey what part of the words "I don't think this is the best picture" and "if the image can be trusted at all" speak of any declarations of certitude? I was simply pointing out not to read too much into the pictures.

You destroyed your credibility by attacking a fellow member who is at least trying to add value to the discussion. People like you are a dime a dozen and you're all predictable and boring; trying to make other peolple feel bad because you don't feel good about yourself. How come you don't feel so good about yourself?

Originally Posted by TWD 

The question is......is it worth upgrading from a 65VT50 to a 65VT60?

Originally Posted by slimoli 

That's completely wrong. You can't reproduce the THX settings because there are adjustments only possible at the factory. A ST50 will never mirror the THX color on the GT/VT. THX is not only a "certification", it's a set of adjustments that produces a wonderful picture out of the box. A professional calibration can make a ST50 even better than a GT/VT but those guys "on the road" charge 400 bucks or more. If you add this sort of money on a set costing around $1000.00 , you'd better go for a higher-end model. I never said THX is better than a real calibration , it's just a great picture out of the box and worth the extra money.

Originally Posted by Speakerphile 

I was speaking specifically of your opinion about whether or not they were "Kuro blacks". I think it is absolutely fair to compare the sets within the image, though comparing something not in the shot seems pretty far fetched, even with your disclaimer.

Originally Posted by Glashub 

I owned a Pioneer 5080 and then until this weekend, an Elite Pro-111fd. I have owned Kuros for about 6 years and watched them almost every day during that time. I apologize for not making that clear. Although I am relying on recent memory, the Kuro blacks leave quite an impression. Of course no one knows until there are actual sets to test but CES is all about conjecture and discussion. That's all I was doing was conjecturing.

Finally, it's not that deep. In my experience people don't attack me or try to tear me down because they hate me but because they want to feel better about themselves. It's a projection of their reality.

In closing your statement about my credibility is meaningless to me as I am a job creator. People make a lot of money because of me and my company. I'd suspect that at least a few of those people buy from Magnolia...which means I am helping to keep you employed.

Originally Posted by Glashub 

Probably not. It seems we'll get the software upgrade. I'll upgrate to a ZT if the reviews and the numbers bear out.

As befits a new monarch of movies, the 65ZT60 is a stunner on the outside, too. We've rarely been crazy about the outward appearance of a Panasonic TV, but the 65ZT60 breaks the mould with a slim bezel to rival - well, probably last year's - LED TVs. The 65ZT60's plasma panel is actually bonded to the front of the glass itself, principally to remove reflections, though it would appear to have helped boost brightness, too.

A lack of brightness has historically been a problem for high-end plasmas, and a significant drawback when watched in bright daylight, but it's not an issue here. That's thanks in part to a new pre-discharge control method, and though details were scant, we witnessed some intensely bright white segments if an image on a totally black blackground.

Originally Posted by VarmintCong 

Are you saying a GT w/ THX mode is going to be better than at ST50 just inputting recommended settings from the ST50 thread? Cause that takes like 2 minutes. I was under the impression they're about the same.

I assume the GT50's THX mode is tested at the factory, but I doubt very much each TV is calibrated different, they're probably just tested to see if they're in spec for THX mode. Each ST50 is going to be tested as well, to see if it's in Panasonic's spec.

Originally Posted by TWD 

The question is......is it worth upgrading from a 65VT50 to a 65VT60?

Originally Posted by slimoli 

It's hard to say if it's "better" or not. What I am saying is that you can't reproduce the THX picture on a set without THX, simply using the settings available . THX colors are very close to reference, for example. As I said, I have 2 sets with and 1 without THX and I guess I tried all available settings posted here and other forums. Nothing can make the colors so perfect as I have on the THX sets. Out of the box , THX looks like a calibrated set, if you never had a professional calinrated set it's a bit difficult to describe what I mean but the most obvious thing, besides the colors, is the shadow detail on dark scenes. Look for a movie where people are wearing tux or dark suits, can you see all the details on the jacket? Can you see the buttons?
My guess is that you think THX is just a group of the same settings available in other modes, like custom or vivid. It is not. There are adjustments made at factory level and only professionals can mess with them.

Originally Posted by petmic10 

The question is....is it worth upgrading from a PRO-151 to a 65ZT60?

Originally Posted by billmich 

When?

Originally Posted by yamvmax 

I owned a kuro, and have seen the new zt and Sammy 8500 in person. Its time to retire the kuro....these new panels have awesome blacks, and are eye torching bright. The whites are clean. I'm not sure which one I will be buying. I still can't believe how much better this years panels are! Exciting.

Originally Posted by yamvmax 

I owned a kuro, and have seen the new zt and Sammy 8500 in person. Its time to retire the kuro....these new panels have awesome blacks, and are eye torching bright. The whites are clean. I'm not sure which one I will be buying. I still can't believe how much better this years panels are! Exciting.

Originally Posted by HLdan 

I like how you took my sentence out of context and just highlighted the words you wanted to make your argument work. . As I said, if there are other "desired" features along with the THX then I see no reason to buy the low-end TV and pay a calibrator.

Originally Posted by D-Nice 

I don't know of any calibrator that charges $400 for a recalibration. Typically the price is half of the orginal calibration price.

Originally Posted by TWD 

The question is......is it worth upgrading from a 65VT50 to a 65VT60?

Originally Posted by Glashub 

And I am reminded that Scorates said: "A man is rich when he wants are few." And I say to myself daily: "I want what I have."

Or I'd go out of my frigging mind!

Originally Posted by Glashub 

And I am reminded that Scorates said: "A man is rich when he wants are few." And I say to myself daily: "I want what I have."

Originally Posted by Audiodork 

Hello,
While I know the "Z" nomenclature has been used on past Panasonic PDP's, given the turgid situation, it is hard for me to to think back to Sony's abandoned KDS-Z70XBR5 which made it to the same point as the ZT60 currently stands only for Sony to abruptly abandon both "Z" models and dump the lower priced A3000 Series for around $1500 less than the announced MSRP.

While perhaps an apples to oranges comparison, I do fear for the future of Panasonic PDP's. It is maddening just how much misinformation there is about Plasmas these days. Amazingly, more CRT TV's are sold worldwide than PDP's.
Cheers,
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Originally Posted by Audiodork 

Hello,
While I know the "Z" nomenclature has been used on past Panasonic PDP's, given the turgid situation, it is hard for me to to think back to Sony's abandoned KDS-Z70XBR5 which made it to the same point as the ZT60 currently stands only for Sony to abruptly abandon both "Z" models and dump the lower priced A3000 Series for around $1500 less than the announced MSRP.

While perhaps an apples to oranges comparison, I do fear for the future of Panasonic PDP's. It is maddening just how much misinformation there is about Plasmas these days. Amazingly, more CRT TV's are sold worldwide than PDP's.
Cheers,
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