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post #391 of 516
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

Chris Ferguson in the home page thread wrote that he pre-ordered the ZT60 from ListenUp for $4100.00. Not bad at all imo.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1451697/panasonic-zt60-plasma-at-ces-2013

It's a risk given that Panasonic has not released final pricing yet. Either the dealer is risking taking a hit, or Chris just agreed to pay the difference should there be one. Also, not sure why you would pre-order it. It's not like they will be impossible to get once they come out. Why part with your money months in advance? He will not get his TV any sooner than anyone else.
post #392 of 516
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Historically Panasonic has never had this feature on any of their TVs, so i wouldn't expect it on the new models. They dropped an HDMI input from the VT60 to save cost so i can't imagine them adding an expensive TV guide feature.
I wouldn't think it should be that expensive, as it relies on the PSIP data broadcast from the TV stations' OTA signal. And since they are upgrading the menu interface, I was hoping they would include this basic feature that is found on other manufacturers models. But nevertheless, their pic quality is very good and I am looking forward to seeing the new models hit stores.
post #393 of 516
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I agree Speakerphile. For what it's worth I was on Live Chat with Panasonic today and they rep said they do not have a firm ETA for the ZT but it looks like April, and that they do not have pricing info. Interesting.
post #394 of 516
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

^Men don't eat out? wink.gif

We do if we want to be rewarded with some home cooking wink.gif
post #395 of 516
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Wow!!

Can We Trust CNET Again After a Scandal This Shady?

http://news.yahoo.com/trust-cnet-again-scandal-shady-213434265.html
post #396 of 516
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

The TH series is basically an electronic sign, not a flagship. Several years ago they were preferred over the consumer models because they had more picture adjustments, but nowadays the mid-to-high end consumer models have better picture quality and the TH models have been de-contented.

Randy, Panasonic Pro Plasma series is for the videophile who has surround sound and cable boxes but they also like the custom optional modules and interfaces that plug in the bottom of the panel..the consumer models certainly do not have better picture quality.

eg:TH-65PF30U

http://www.panasonic.com/business/plasma/index.asp
post #397 of 516
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Originally Posted by Netrat View Post

Randy, Panasonic Pro Plasma series is for the videophile who has surround sound and cable boxes but they also like the custom optional modules and interfaces that plug in the bottom of the panel..the consumer models certainly do not have better picture quality.

eg:TH-65PF30U

http://www.panasonic.com/business/plasma/index.asp

I was actually looking yesterday at the commercial displays and noticed the 152"!

Now there's something for people who complain there's nothing over 65"!

:-)
post #398 of 516
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

Wow!!

Can We Trust CNET Again After a Scandal This Shady?

http://news.yahoo.com/trust-cnet-again-scandal-shady-213434265.html

everything is a scam so I always expect some of this.
post #399 of 516
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Originally Posted by hotskins View Post

just think how many women waste clothes and jewelry or eating out all the time. That stuff adds up! Id rather waste my money on the best TV.
I figured many of us as "big bang theory" type of nerds with no female contact. wink.gif
post #400 of 516
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Originally Posted by billmich View Post

I figured many of us as "big bang theory" type of nerds with no female contact. wink.gif

It would seem taht way with some of the posts you see, but many are married and or have constant female contact. There are some that post and make me think about it though ;-)
post #401 of 516
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

It's a risk given that Panasonic has not released final pricing yet. Either the dealer is risking taking a hit, or Chris just agreed to pay the difference should there be one. Also, not sure why you would pre-order it. It's not like they will be impossible to get once they come out. Why part with your money months in advance? He will not get his TV any sooner than anyone else.

It could be a situation where Chris is guaranteed to one of the very first, iniital shipments that the store gets in....where that number of ZTs could be very limited until the following shipment that comes weeks later, etc.
post #402 of 516
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Originally Posted by tylerSC View Post

Does anyone know yet if the upgraded menu interface on Panny 2013 models will include program info when using an OTA antenna? Both Samsung and LG plasmas provide this basic feature. Panasonic has had the same menu set up for years, so just wondering if they have finally made this change. When you push Info on the remote, will they now offer a description of the program being viewed?
One of my few complaints with (or wishes for) my 2012 Panasonic is the lack of OTA channel info. I have a 2008 67" Samsung DLP that shows the channel station, show title, and a large show description. I have a tiny 2009 Samsung LCD TV in a spare room that shows this plethora of OTA information. I turn on my brand new Panasonic plasma TV and am surprised at how often I accessed channel info and now can't. I see no reason they shouldn't provide the ability to display this information.
post #403 of 516
For those that saw the ZT at the show what might I expect to see as a real world plus/minus on moving from an 8G kuro to the ZT when it is available? The shootout stuff is interesting and helpful but it is daily viewing that interests me and my black level retention, color uniformity, image uniformity, sharpness, etc. have all stayed pretty solid since day one. I know it is just a bit of a wag until they ship but any ideas?
post #404 of 516
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Originally Posted by one321 View Post

One of my few complaints with (or wishes for) my 2012 Panasonic is the lack of OTA channel info. I have a 2008 67" Samsung DLP that shows the channel station, show title, and a large show description. I have a tiny 2009 Samsung LCD TV in a spare room that shows this plethora of OTA information. I turn on my brand new Panasonic plasma TV and am surprised at how often I accessed channel info and now can't. I see no reason they shouldn't provide the ability to display this information.

I see that as a poor investment of resources on Panasonic's part. Most people dropping $2K to $3K for a plasma are not cable-cutters.
post #405 of 516
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Originally Posted by jqmn View Post

For those that saw the ZT at the show what might I expect to see as a real world plus/minus on moving from an 8G kuro to the ZT when it is available? The shootout stuff is interesting and helpful but it is daily viewing that interests me and my black level retention, color uniformity, image uniformity, sharpness, etc. have all stayed pretty solid since day one. I know it is just a bit of a wag until they ship but any ideas?

I left a 9G kuro (5020) for a Panasonic TC-P50GT50 and have not looked back. A number of folks dumping 9G elites have said they enjoy their VT50s equally.
post #406 of 516
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I sold an Elite Pro-111fd for a 65VT50 and enjoy the VT a lot. I like the colors better on the VT. The only problem I have is that the VT seems to crush blacks a little bit even on "light" setting (not calibrated). The increase from 50" to 65" is impressive. I didn't want to spend $3500 on a useed Elite 60 inch. I'll probably buy a ZT if it passes all tests.

I just don't feel like I'm missing anything with the VT in everday use. But I'm not one of those guys who is constantly checking the black level against the black frame every time I fire up a blu-ray.
post #407 of 516
I am the owner of an Elite Pro 150fd 60"......also,a VT30 65" and I can tell you that my wife and I feel the Panny surpasses the elite,in our opinion in PQ,etc...I am extremely pleased with the Performance of the VT30(professionaly calibrated by Chad B)..who did a marvelous job BTW) and,for the life of me,I cannot see the ZT being superior enough for me to dump the VT in order to drop 4K or so...the difference in PQ would have to be jaw dropping,and,IMO,ithat won't happen.
post #408 of 516
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

I see that as a poor investment of resources on Panasonic's part. Most people dropping $2K to $3K for a plasma are not cable-cutters.
I don't think you can make that correlation. I of course don't know this for a fact, but I would venture to guess that most cable-cutters still care about picture quality and are willing to pay for it, especially with access to quality HD OTA channels along with access to non-TV HD media, like Blu-rays, high quality streaming, home media server content, and high definition gaming. But I agree that Panasonic probably doesn't see the ROI value in it or else they would have done it... unless they have simply and ignorantly overlooked this functionality, which I doubt. Still a bummer and lack of something simple that would make anyone who uses it happy they have it.
post #409 of 516
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

I sold an Elite Pro-111fd for a 65VT50 and enjoy the VT a lot. I like the colors better on the VT. The only problem I have is that the VT seems to crush blacks a little bit even on "light" setting (not calibrated). The increase from 50" to 65" is impressive. I didn't want to spend $3500 on a useed Elite 60 inch. I'll probably buy a ZT if it passes all tests.

I just don't feel like I'm missing anything with the VT in everday use. But I'm not one of those guys who is constantly checking the black level against the black frame every time I fire up a blu-ray.

+1...great post. Its not ALL about the blacks...people get so cought up with that. I gave up my kuro for a panny last year and have not looked back.
post #410 of 516
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

I see that as a poor investment of resources on Panasonic's part. Most people dropping $2K to $3K for a plasma are not cable-cutters.

It's not a feature I need, but plenty of videophiles almost exclusively watch Blurays.

Also, not all plasma's cost that much. The 55" UT50 is $849 now, the 50" is $600 something. So even with your logic, there would be more cable cutters buying the lower end models at discount prices late in the year etc.
post #411 of 516
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Originally Posted by yamvmax View Post

+1...great post. Its not ALL about the blacks...people get so cought up with that. I gave up my kuro for a panny last year and have not looked back.
But it mostly is (as contrast ratio is the most important aspect of PQ, and this is directly affected by how deep the blacks are, followed by other aspects like color accuracy and resolution down at the bottom). wink.gif

And what's this about the VT30 being better than the Kuro 9G? That is an atypical finding, unless the increased screen size made the difference for your seating arrangement. I hope the latter was calibrated before making that assessment at least.
post #412 of 516
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Originally Posted by yamvmax View Post

+1...great post. Its not ALL about the blacks...people get so cought up with that. I gave up my kuro for a panny last year and have not looked back.

Thank you.
post #413 of 516
Vt IMO has a better overall pic than the kuro. Is it as black? No, but overall better.
post #414 of 516
That is a nonstarter for me unfortunately, because I watch in a dark room. That's why I'm anxious to hear how deep the ZT goes.
post #415 of 516
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

But it mostly is (as contrast ratio is the most important aspect of PQ, and this is directly affected by how deep the blacks are, followed by other aspects like color accuracy and resolution down at the bottom). wink.gif

And what's this about the VT30 being better than the Kuro 9G? That is an atypical finding, unless the increased screen size made the difference for your seating arrangement. I hope the latter was calibrated before making that assessment at least.

Ah, Vinnie. The good news is that it looks like the day is arriving when you'll be able to let go of the Kuro. smile.gif The VT is a fine TV. I don't think you've had a chance to play with one yet but i hope you'll make that 2 hour drive to check out the ZT. Sometimes the whole works extremely well even if a factor or two may seem less than optimal. Tis true of the VT. The Kuro was brlliant in that it had the black levels and rang most of the pq bells although I'll always maintain that the VT colors look truer and richer to me.
post #416 of 516
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

When I said spring/summer, they had said May 2013. We will see.........

With there being a VT60, I wonder where the price will be on the ZT60 ? I assume higher than the release price of the VT50 in the 2012 launch.

works for me... i would be happy to pay 4500.00 for the 65zt60 if it's worth it.
post #417 of 516
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

Ah, Vinnie. The good news is that it looks like the day is arriving when you'll be able to let go of the Kuro. smile.gif The VT is a fine TV. I don't think you've had a chance to play with one yet but i hope you'll make that 2 hour drive to check out the ZT. Sometimes the whole works extremely well even if a factor or two may seem less than optimal. Tis true of the VT. The Kuro was brlliant in that it had the black levels and rang most of the pq bells although I'll always maintain that the VT colors look truer and richer to me.
Even if I am unable to make the trek, I am anxious to hear/see the longstanding opinions of calibrators/reviewers like D-Nice and David Katzmaier, as they seem to have a similar fondness and appreciation for the Kuro even up to 2012. wink.gif That would probably be enough to push me over the top (plus the black level measurements).
post #418 of 516
Thanx for the comments on VT and hope about the ZT. I am glad to hear the positive comments. (I didn't want to start a kuro vs the competition re-throwdown.) I also would like to hear D-Nice, UMR and others chime in if they have news or as they see the ZT product.
post #419 of 516
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

works for me... i would be happy to pay 4500.00 for the 65zt60 if it's worth it.

There aren't many "of you" though, so they better sneak in the MSRP at under $4,000. Also, Sammy won't be on the sidelines. Hopefully they will put pricing pressure on Panny.
post #420 of 516
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Originally Posted by dmaul1114 View Post

It's not a feature I need, but plenty of videophiles almost exclusively watch Blurays.

Also, not all plasma's cost that much. The 55" UT50 is $849 now, the 50" is $600 something. So even with your logic, there would be more cable cutters buying the lower end models at discount prices late in the year etc.

You make the dangerous assumption those prices are profitable...
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