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Single off Killswitch Engage newest album which comes out in April

Still one of my favorite bands to see live, although I wasnt too happy to see Howard Jones leave the band.
post #242 of 1183
Anyone heard a release date for a new Tool album this year? Of course they said it'd be released last year too.
post #243 of 1183
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I want to say more about killswitch but im on my ipad i hate typing on it.

check out dave freaking lombardo playing battery. Sound quality is crap but skip ahead to 2:05 to the end. Im not a Lars hater but that destorys how Lars plays this song. Wow!!



post #244 of 1183
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I want to say more about killswitch but im on my ipad i hate typing on it.

check out dave freaking lombardo playing battery. Sound quality is crap but skip ahead to 2:05 to the end. Im not a Lars hater but that destorys how Lars plays this song. Wow!!




I've always thought Lars was a good drummer, but there's a bunch more i think are better, Lombardo, Chris Adler, Peart, Portnoy. Shyt, I even think Matt Greiner from August Burns Red is as good as Lars
post #245 of 1183
“And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche

Hello. My name is Jonathan, and I enjoy metal. I was born in 1980, in Vancouver, BC.

I like metal not because it includes me with others, but because it separates me. This is my music. I like it because they don't. I owe my appreciation of Metal mostly to my father, who doesn't really like most metal, but who certainly taught me to listen to music. I grew up listening to a wide variety of music in my young years. At the age of 3, I was a huge Michael Jackson fan. My mother took me to see MJ during the Thriller tour in Vancouver, 1984.

My first album was a mistake. My father's birthday was coming up so I wanted to get him a cassette. I picked out Dire Straights. When he opened it, he thanked me and then gave it to me. He already had it. I listened to that album a lot. The first album that I really stood up and took notice to was ZZ Top's Afterburner album. I would hang out with my father a lot. Lots of road trips etc, and the radio was always going. The Clash, The Police, Floyd, Zepplin.

We talked a lot about how important certain people were in the evolution of music. Hendrix mostly. Dad always had a boner for Hendrix's style.

Skip ahead a few years, 1989. I started Skateboarding, and my best friend lived near some older kid who were into skating. We all pitched in and got a half-pipe and some other ramps built in my friend's backyard. Being around the older guys and reading Thrasher Magazine got me introduced to more energetic music. The Bad Brains, Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, The Red hot Chilli Peppers. I'm 32 now, and hopefully within a year I'll have a child of my own. I'll be able to tell that child that I remember a time when the Chilli Peppers made music that was worth listening to.

I listened mainly to Punk and some Hip Hop through my young years until the age of 16. Throw in some Rage Against the Machine as well. I never ignored the classics, but Punk was my thing. It reflected an energetic kid's lifestyle.

And then ÆNIMA was released.

I had seen a tool video before, "Sober", but didn't think much of it. When ÆNIMA came out, it was like I woke up. This music had an entirely new dimension. I didn't understand what the **** they were singing about, and every time I listened to a song on that album, it felt like I was hearing entirely new sections to it. I was hooked. To this day, tool is my favourite band.

Skip back a bit;

Some point in there, my friend introduced me to a band called "Pantera". I had heard death metal bands here and there. I knew of Napalm Death, and I liked some of the softer Metal like Megadeth and Metallica. Pantera was like a bridge between the two. Pantera became my favourite metal band, with one of the most bad ass frontmen. They weren't a thrash band like Slayer, they weren't like Metallica either. This was groove metal! It had heavy basslines with drumming that put Lars to shame. And the vocals were some of the strongest in all of music.

My first Pantera album was Vulgar Display of Power. From there I awaited each album release, and each album was heavier and greater than the last.

When I heard Pantera, this is when I understood metal. Before then it was angry noise that was sometimes ok, and usually just too much. With Pantera, something clicked, and I understood.

I believe this was around the time when I became a complete ******* music snob. I began judging and grading people based on their music choices. I wasn't vocal, but to this day I could never take someone serious who cranks up U2. Metal gave me a "Me versus Them" attitude. For better or worse, I am not sure, but since my early teens I've always known what I liked and I certainly knew what I didn't like, and everyone else is wrong. biggrin.gif

So here is a basic music progression for me, very incomplete, possibly out of order in some parts.

80's:
MJ
Dire Straights
ZZ Top
The Clash
Pink Floyd
Bad Brains
Black Flag
Kennedys

90's:
Cypress Hill
Faith No More
Nirvana
Black Sabbath
Bad Religion
NOFX
Wu Tang Clan
Rollins Band
Ministry
Pantera
Type O Negative
tool
MotorHead
KMFDM
Slayer

2000's:
Down
Superjoint Ritual
Iggy Pop and the Stooges
Strapping Young Lad
ISIS
Voivod
Alice in Chains
Cannibal Corpse

2010's:
Pelican
Neurosis
Old Man Gloom
Melvins (Why ? Why didn't I listen to them since the 80's ???)
Rosetta

I'm missing a ton of bands but essentially most of these are the ones who stood out. Many are not Metal, and many are some twisted mangled form of metal.

I've found that as I get older and more mature, I tend to have more appreciation for the more raw metal. the production and sound of the 80's and 70's albums. I'd trade the high production values and clean sound of a well produced AC/DC album for the sludgy grindy down tuned riffs of something like Down or EyeHateGod.

I've also found that crisp detailed speakers lend themselves very well to bands like Type O Negative. The textured distorted filtered string instruments really come out with revealing speakers. I've also found that albums from the early to mid 90's really sound better in the bass guitar area.

These days, you listen to an album like Lamb of God's "Wrath", you can't even pick out the bass guitar. You get drum, guitar and vocals. Then listen to tool's "Prison Sex" from the undertow album. Prison Sex is my go to reference song for auditioning speakers. Similar albums from that era, any of the Rollins Band albums are mixed so well. Why the **** ? These bands didn't have a lot of money, and not much in the way of production budgets, but those albums sound ****ing great. And it's not just because of loudness wars and compression.

I watched an episode of Metalocolypse where the bassist tries to pick up some women at a bar. They asked him which instrument he plays. "I play bass! I'm William Murderface!" The two girls walk away muttering "why don't you play an instrument that people can actually hear." That's the truest statement.

Anyways, my musical tastes seem to be getting heavier and heavier every year. And I don't see it stopping anytime soon.


Oh and for some content, check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa1r1WZtYcc
Skip to 21:00. Devin Townsend's Skullet is the most metal haircut. Also that part of the show is jaw droppingly good.
Edited by jonathanc - 3/10/13 at 11:59pm
post #246 of 1183
Oh, I forgot to mention, the reason I love Metal so much is because it's one of only 3 or 4 genre's of music where progression is still taking place. The others being Jazz, The blues, and arguably classical and some of the eastern music out of India.

Metal is always getting harder. It's always getting more extreme. Look at a band like Meshuggah. The song's Electric Red and Bleed are ridiculous. Even the blast beat Death Metal doesn't have drumming like that. I can only get into a band or a song where it's clear that the musicians bled themselves dry trying to make it. Getting into a studio and just going through the motions doesn't cut it for me. If you're still walking when you get out of the recording studio, you haven't tried hard enough.

This is why I like the Rollins Band, and bands like ISIS. Because they are successful simply because they try harder than everyone else. Henry Rollins can't sing. He has really talented musicians working with him, but he puts in the hours and burns writing some of the best lyrics I have ever heard. And then he would be in the gym every day and running 5 miles a day just so that he could put in 100% on stage for the live shows. He was successful by pure effort, not talent. I really like that.

Anyways, enough rambling. Awesome thread guys!
post #247 of 1183
Here are some songs which some of you may know and everyone else should! Also, anyone else notice that some of the best bands havd bass players that are also singers ? Motorhead, Type O Negative, Primus, Slayer etc.

Carnivore (Peter Steele's band before TON)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FREjf_E5dA

New ISIS video!!! (In HD)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9EhHqqzJFQ

One of the best guitar solos and Outro ever
"Everybody smoke heroin!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTwA4mXJKsk

The best bass player. (Also, did you know the Primus guitarist Larry Lalonde was also taught by Satriani?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5XeVLJeMdE

The only Metal Supergroup.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q_ysZi7Kwo
post #248 of 1183
GREAT POSTS!!!
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Originally Posted by jonathanc View Post

I believe this was around the time when I became a complete ******* music snob. I began judging and grading people based on their music choices. I wasn't vocal, but to this day I could never take someone serious who cranks up U2. Metal gave me a "Me versus Them" attitude. For better or worse, I am not sure, but since my early teens I've always known what I liked and I certainly knew what I didn't like, and everyone else is wrong. biggrin.gif

First of all, like Ratm said, great post and thanks.

Your comments above got me thinking. I think the reason why we (metal heads) get this way is because it seems we are way more into our music than other people are into their music. Most people if you ask them what they listen to they will say, "everything" or something like that. Also most people use music as background noise, something to have on while working out, or driving, or cleaning the house. Very few sit there in front of their speakers and listen to everything and soak it in or could tell you the year albums came out from their favorite artists and the order of songs (SONGS not tracks - I've always hated that term since people started using it when cd's came out) on all those albums.

I'm old now - almost 40- so for the most part I could care less. However, sometimes it still comes out... but only when I'm drinking (a lot) biggrin.gif and the subject of music comes up. Then all of a sudden I get all fired up that others just aren't into music or don't understand metal - which is weird, why the hell do I care?!?!

I have more to say, gotta go for now.
post #250 of 1183
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. Im not a Lars hater but that destorys how Lars plays this song. Wow!!

I am - Lars is terrible. Lars is Lombardo's feces. biggrin.gif Seriously, though, Lambardo is one of the best in the world; arguably he is the best. I don't necessarily agree he's #1, but it's hard to argue with his skills.

P.S. Great post, jonathanc!
Edited by Nuance - 3/11/13 at 12:44pm
post #251 of 1183
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I'm old now - almost 40- so for the most part I could care less. However, sometimes it still comes out... but only when I'm drinking (a lot) biggrin.gif and the subject of music comes up. Then all of a sudden I get all fired up that others just aren't into music or don't understand metal - which is weird, why the hell do I care?!?!

A lot of metal bands are in their 40s. Since when 40 is old goddammit!?!? Did I mention I am 40? tongue.gif
post #252 of 1183
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Originally Posted by jonathanc View Post

“...I believe this was around the time when I became a complete ******* music snob. I began judging and grading people based on their music choices. I wasn't vocal, but to this day I could never take someone serious who cranks up U2. Metal gave me a "Me versus Them" attitude. For better or worse, I am not sure, but since my early teens I've always known what I liked and I certainly knew what I didn't like, and everyone else is wrong. biggrin.gif
I was in the car yesterday with my 3.5 year old daughter and her grandmother, my MIL. Daughter asked me to play Maiden's "Revelations" (she's partial to the live Flight 666 version), MIL being a typical mid 50s fuddy duddy of course has never heard it, couldn't believe my daughter liked it. She asked me why I thought she liked it, I said it's because Maiden is great and this is an awesome song of course, and good music is timeless, duh biggrin.gif

When Revelations was over Claire asked me to play some Christmas music, ha.

jeff
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I was in the car yesterday with my 3.5 year old daughter and her grandmother, my MIL. Daughter asked me to play Maiden's "Revelations" (she's partial to the live Flight 666 version), MIL being a typical mid 50s fuddy duddy of course has never heard it, couldn't believe my daughter liked it. She asked me why I thought she liked it, I said it's because Maiden is great and this is an awesome song of course, and good music is timeless, duh biggrin.gif

When Revelations was over Claire asked me to play some Christmas music, ha.

jeff
Ha! Old people smile.gif
post #254 of 1183
You will get there and without living through the 60's as a teen. YOU fricken MISSED IT! tongue.gif
post #255 of 1183
Yet I'm still doin ok. smile.gif Just don't get why she wanted to hear Christmas music in march. Guessing just because it wasn't Maiden. I can relate, my dad has liked maybe 5-10 of my songs over the course of my 34 years.
post #256 of 1183
Ha, it seems a few clarifications are in order smile.gif My daughter was the one who asked for Christmas music when Revelations was over, let's just say she has eclectic taste. And I didn't intend to impunge all people in their 50s as fuddy duddys, just my MIL and her ilk biggrin.gif You know the type, she doesn't even really like any music but if forced would choose to listen to adult contemporary eek.gif

jeff
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FWIW, august burns red put out their 2nd Christmas album this past year and it is amazing.
post #258 of 1183
Any of you guys into Disturbed? Lead singer has a side project out that is getting good reviews. I'm not a huge "industrial metal" guy but I like Disturbed on occasion.

I saw them live a few years back and swear they opened a gate to hell they rocked so hard.
post #259 of 1183
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Originally Posted by jonathanc View Post


90's:
Cypress Hill
Faith No More
Nirvana
Black Sabbath
Bad Religion
NOFX
Wu Tang Clan
Rollins Band
Ministry
Pantera
Type O Negative
tool
MotorHead
KMFDM
Slayer

2000's:
Down
Superjoint Ritual
Iggy Pop and the Stooges
Strapping Young Lad
ISIS
Voivod
Alice in Chains
Cannibal Corpse

2010's:
Pelican
Neurosis
Old Man Gloom
Melvins (Why ? Why didn't I listen to them since the 80's ???)
Rosetta



Love Devin Townsend, SYL too.

On this list I haven't heard Pelican, Old Man Gloom, or Rosetta I'll have to check them out.
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Any of you guys into Disturbed? Lead singer has a side project out that is getting good reviews. I'm not a huge "industrial metal" guy but I like Disturbed on occasion.

I saw them live a few years back and swear they opened a gate to hell they rocked so hard.
Good band. Saw them a few yrs back when i worked it at the Filmore in Denver. Had a bunch of patients come out of the pit. Great show.
post #261 of 1183
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Any of you guys into Disturbed? Lead singer has a side project out that is getting good reviews. I'm not a huge "industrial metal" guy but I like Disturbed on occasion.

I saw them live a few years back and swear they opened a gate to hell they rocked so hard.
I was into them in college, but not so much anymore. I don't really care for anything "mainstream" because being such usually means catering to a sound rather than creating the sound you want to. No offense to anyone or to mainstream music. I do recall Disturbed's mosh pits being insane, though.
post #262 of 1183
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I was into them in college, but not so much anymore. I don't really care for anything "mainstream" because being such usually means catering to a sound rather than creating the sound you want to. No offense to anyone or to mainstream music. I do recall Disturbed's mosh pits being insane, though.

That label always intrigues me but whatever. I understand what you mean.

I enjoy them from time to time just out of vocal preference. I get tired of the growling in the "more metal than metal" genre and want to hear some lyrics every now and again.
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Disturbed is one of those bands that makes catchy tunes and at first I like what I hear - however, that catchiness seems to make the song get old to me very quickly and I find it boring.

I did like their Land of Confusion cover - haha, remember that Genesis video? Reagan waking up in a pool of sweat... "Nancy?...."
post #264 of 1183
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That label always intrigues me but whatever. I understand what you mean.

I enjoy them from time to time just out of vocal preference. I get tired of the growling in the "more metal than metal" genre and want to hear some lyrics every now and again.

I just mean that the bands typically played on the radio are only what the mainsteam sponsors and stations allow. They are missing out on so many good bands and for so many different reasons that I cannot list them all. For instance, a band like Dream Theater has awesome lyrics and they are clear and easy to understand (no growling), but they don't get much (if any) radio play in most U.S. markets. Why? It could be 1000 different reasons. When DT was still new to the music scene they were asked by their record label to change their sound and lessen their track lengths, which was for the Falling Into Infinity album. In other words, they were literally asked to change who they were, and I think that sucks. They thought so too and now produce their own albums, though they are under a record label. This very thing still goes on today, so if you want to play music you either have to accept you'll never be ultra popular (due to radio play and promotions), or you shape your image and sound to what the mainstream dictates. There are some great mainstream bands, but I'd bet some of them aren't playing to their potential. It's a real bummer, but to each their own.

Just my opinion. I meant no offense.
post #265 of 1183
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I just mean that the bands typically played on the radio are only what the mainsteam sponsors and stations allow. They are missing out on so many good bands and for so many different reasons that I cannot list them all. For instance, a band like Dream Theater has awesome lyrics and they are clear and easy to understand (no growling), but they don't get much (if any) radio play in most U.S. markets. Why? It could be 1000 different reasons. When DT was still new to the music scene they were asked by their record label to change their sound and lessen their track lengths, which was for the Falling Into Infinity album. In other words, they were literally asked to change who they were, and I think that sucks. They thought so too and now produce their own albums, though they are under a record label. This very thing still goes on today, so if you want to play music you either have to accept you'll never be ultra popular (due to radio play and promotions), or you shape your image and sound to what the mainstream dictates. There are some great mainstream bands, but I'd bet some of them aren't playing to their potential. It's a real bummer, but to each their own.

Just my opinion. I meant no offense.

I wasn't offended at all. I get it. I just get weary of labels is all.
post #266 of 1183
Thanks! for sharing Carp.
post #267 of 1183
Satans music, this metal stuff...........
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Satans music, this metal stuff...........

Mom? Is that you?? tongue.gif
post #269 of 1183
You know, thats one thing my parents never did was complain about my musical choices. But its soooooooooooooo hard for me not to tell my daughter that Bieber really sucks. (FULL disclosure, I endured his concert for her, BUT, there were a TON of ridiculously hot moms there) smile.gif
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You know, thats one thing my parents never did was complain about my musical choices. But its soooooooooooooo hard for me not to tell my daughter that Bieber really sucks. (FULL disclosure, I endured his concert for her, BUT, there were a TON of ridiculously hot moms there) smile.gif
I'm sure. My buddy always said that the best concert he ever went to was new kids on the block. Said the band sucked, the music sucked, but he and his buddy were the only dudes there.
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