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post #511 of 1183
I'm sure I'd like some bands from all over that map but jeez all those genres make me tired. #stonermetal
post #512 of 1183
Stoner metal/doom metal is an entire genre dedicated to sounding like the first 4 Black Sabbath albums. Check out the bands Down, Pelican, Crowbar. All really good stuff.
post #513 of 1183
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Generally, it would be whacked out time signatures and time/tempo shifts that would require actual COUNTING as opposed to straight "feel" that most players can get by on in more traditional and consistent time signatures. One heavy band that makes "math rock" actually groove & make ya wanna bang your head (IMO) would be Tool, particularly their output after Undertow. Some of the tracks on Metallica's "...And Justice For All" could also qualify.

While not "metal", bands like King Crimson or Battles could also be considered "math rock". I would also place Frank Zappa into that territory.
Can't argue with that - while I just lumped some artists into a "label" in this post, I agree that such labels can be lame.
Amazing time signatures = Dream Theater. Petrucci owns!
post #514 of 1183
Tool does some great things with time signatures as well

picked up a bunch of new stuff recenly (new to me anyway)

Kalmah
Tristania
a pale horse named death
Tesseract
Devin Townsend Project
Persefone
post #515 of 1183
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Devin Townsend Project


This.
post #516 of 1183
Yea its amazing stuff
post #517 of 1183
An interesting thing about math metal and progressive metal, with the odd time signatures, polyrythims etc is Tabla players have been doing this stuff for hundreds of years. Danny Carey from tool has admitted in interviews that his Tabla teachers are far beyond him in skill and complexity. He gets nervous when they are in the crowd during a gig.
post #518 of 1183
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An interesting thing about math metal and progressive metal, with the odd time signatures, polyrythims etc is Tabla players have been doing this stuff for hundreds of years. Danny Carey from tool has admitted in interviews that his Tabla teachers are far beyond him in skill and complexity. He gets nervous when they are in the crowd during a gig.
Been a year+ since my 10th Tool concert. Some set lists are better than others, but the band itself gets better every time. Danny is amazingBeen hooked since Sober debuted on Headbanger's Ball. Any news on a new album?
post #519 of 1183
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This.

Agreed, he's got so much good stuff and it seems to be endless.

DT got my attention with the video for Love? which was based on The Evil Dead, how great is that. I got into SYL a little bit but I prefer his solo albums.

Speaking of classifications of metal, what the hell is Ziltoid the Omniscient? Comedy Metal? biggrin.gif

"You have 5 earth minutes. Make it perfect!!"


post #520 of 1183
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Amazing time signatures = Dream Theater. Petrucci owns!


Yep - looking forward to the new album! I see they have a new sound engineer. I have high hopes for better production this time. I thought the last album the production was better but still retained some of that "dead" sound I've come to hate over the last 10 years with DT (I know we've talked about this before).
post #521 of 1183
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BTW, don't get me wrong I LOVE the music itself. Even on my least favorite album (Systematic Chaos) there is still great music in there.
post #522 of 1183
Anyone here listened to a band called Battlecross? 2011 album called Pursuit of Honor is good. Also here is a video off their new album dropping July 9th.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ8toa1JobE
post #523 of 1183
All this talk of time signatures and polyrhythms, but no mention of Meshuggah? Step it up people smile.gif
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All this talk of time signatures and polyrhythms, but no mention of Meshuggah? Step it up people smile.gif
That Metalmap had a subgenre based just on meshugga.
post #525 of 1183
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That Metalmap had a subgenre based just on meshugga.

Haha yeah. But not for the complex rhythms. I didn't even know "djent" was a thing until maybe a year ago. It's silly and I think even Meshuggah thinks it's silly.
post #526 of 1183
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Anyone here listened to a band called Battlecross? 2011 album called Pursuit of Honor is good. Also here is a video off their new album dropping July 9th.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ8toa1JobE

Saw them live opening for another band I can't remember now, but they put on a heck a good live show too!!!

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All this talk of time signatures and polyrhythms, but no mention of Meshuggah? Step it up people smile.gif

Pretty sure I did about a page back at the beginning of the convo about time sigs.
post #527 of 1183
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Been a year+ since my 10th Tool concert. Some set lists are better than others, but the band itself gets better every time. Danny is amazingBeen hooked since Sober debuted on Headbanger's Ball. Any news on a new album?

I read a short interview w/ TOOL's Adam Jones in recent issue of Guitar World magazine. Most of the piece was discussing the re-issue of the Opiate EP with new artwork/design from Jones. At the end of the interview, Jones stated that the band was working on new material - but that has been said for a while now. While TOOL albums don't drop every 1-2 years like many other acts, I get the feeling that the big holdup these days is Maynard Keenan's various other projects, be they of the musical and/or wine making varieties. While not blatantly stating it, it did seem that Jones (and likely Carey & Chancellor) have had some tension w/ Maynard in regards to the vocalist's ever growing list of non-TOOL related activities.

When speaking about it in the documentary Blood Into Wine, MJK spoke of how exhausting a TOOL tour can be on him & was looking forward to the band scaling back the long road trips in the future.
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I read a short interview w/ TOOL's Adam Jones in recent issue of Guitar World magazine. Most of the piece was discussing the re-issue of the Opiate EP with new artwork/design from Jones. At the end of the interview, Jones stated that the band was working on new material - but that has been said for a while now. While TOOL albums don't drop every 1-2 years like many other acts, I get the feeling that the big holdup these days is Maynard Keenan's various other projects, be they of the musical and/or wine making varieties. While not blatantly stating it, it did seem that Jones (and likely Carey & Chancellor) have had some tension w/ Maynard in regards to the vocalist's ever growing list of non-TOOL related activities.

When speaking about it in the documentary Blood Into Wine, MJK spoke of how exhausting a TOOL tour can be on him & was looking forward to the band scaling back the long road trips in the future.

I'd be interested if there was tension, however I can't see there being much. They all have side projects, they've all made enough money, and it hasn't been all that long since their last tool tour. They've played gigs since the Blood into Wine doc came out. At the end of the day though, I don't want a tool album where not all the band members want to be there 100%. An album from a band like tool has to be all or nothing.
post #529 of 1183
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I like how Tool does things. I don't mind having a huge gap in between albums since the quality is so high. It's a nice contrast to say.... Megadeth. Dave seems to be releasing a new album every other weekend. After awhile I think that waters it down and everything starts to sound the same. I think I've only picked up 1 of their last 4 or 5 albums.

I really love Tool's last album. In fact when I listen to Tool that's the one I play the most often. Aenima will always be my favorite though.
post #530 of 1183
More semi-recent TOOL news, via an interview w/ Danny Carey, from May 2013:

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/tool_give_new_album_update_were_still_in_the_writing_mode.html?no_takeover

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Tool fans have been pulling their hair out in anticipation of the new release for quite some time now. With over seven years since the art metallers' last studio release, it seems like forever since we got to hear something new from the infamous four-piece.

And it looks like the wait continues. In a recent Rip it Up interview, drummer Danny Carey was as unspecific about the new album as usual. Although he did admit that the band is now working regularly, Carey made it clear that the band is "still in the writing mode."

The drummer started the chat on an optimistic note, saying, "We've been working pretty regularly; Adam's been coming in with lots of stuff to: we're knocking it out slowly but surely. We're all excited about it." However, the follow-up statement was not really something fans were yearning to hear. "We are really just in a rehearsal space at this point, we never really get into a proper studio until everything is completely written, then we book time and knock out the recording process as quickly as possible," Carey said.

"So we're still like in the writing mode. So we're in the rehearsal space here, so we start our rehearsals playing through the old songs to get the cobwebs out of those: we have a gig coming up, then we start working on the new things. So that works out OK, that way."

The interview then took a turn towards what the interviewer has described as "the 'Lateralus' of this album," or the "big song that's going to define the whole record." The drummer commented that although it is still in the works, the major track will have "a big trilogy type of feel to it" and is likely to last well over 20 minutes when completed.

"We're still – believe it or not! – still working on it [laughter] – it's like an ever-evolving thing, it's probably going to turn into a thing that's like, uh, a big trilogy type of feel to it, sort of life, just like 'Disposition' and 'Intension' and 'Triad,' like on the 'Lateralus' record or something. It will probably be over a 20-minute piece when it's all finished, so it will be a good part of the record. We're dealing with it in sections, but it's coming together really well, we're having lots of fun working on it, that's for sure."

The band also seems to be waiting for frontman Maynard James Keenan, who is "busy with his wine and other projects," so it's just "little bits and pieces" for now.

"Maynard deals with the lyrical content, when he comes in and does more of his treatment. He's been pretty busy with his wine and other projects lately, but right now it’s just Justin and Adam and I working on things and uh, you know, little bits and pieces, lots of musical things, I've been playing lots of fusiony and jazz stuff lately with a band called Volto! and playing with some old jazz cats at the 'Baked Potato' here in town, it's like a famous jazz club here. I've been trying to get lots of new musical input into my system so I can have new influences popping out in that way, more than in a lyrical way."

Recently described as the "biggest project of their lives," the "10.000 Days" follow-up will obviously take as long as it needs, but the group has made it very clear that "putting out something that sucks just to put it out" is not an option.

I got the feeling from watching Blood Into Wine, as well as a few interview snippets from MJK, that TOOL is low on the singer's personal priority list as of late. As much as I love both Lateralus & 10000 Days, it seemed MJK might have been a bit more divorced from the overall creative process, only coming into the picture once actual music was completed(as Carey stated above). Opiate, Undertow & Aenima -to me, at least - feel a bit more like all 4 guys busting it out in the rehearsal room prior to recording.

That said, I do not mind much having to wait if the finished product is top notch. While others have derided them for not caving to the iTunes-driven music biz, I appreciate their desire to release an actual "album" - a collection of music that has at least some common thread running through it & is meant to be experienced as a complete work, not a bunch of tunes one can just cherry pick from online. And few artists these days put the same level of energy behind design & packaging that TOOL does. THey are pretty much the only band that I will actually go out & get the CD they release - not just because I can't get it via iTunes, but mainly due to a new TOOL album being a total experience not unlike the Pink Floyd or Led Zep releases of the 1970s
Edited by jwebb1970 - 7/10/13 at 10:46pm
post #531 of 1183
I don't like the long wait between albums just because I'm impatient. The wait is always worth it though. Each album has been different from the last as the band and their sound evolves. Seeing them live is a trip. It's hard to explain the intensity of the energy but it's a good vibe. The visuals are always phenomenal with large screens behind them projecting their videos or other similar imagery. The last few shows have incorporated some really good laser work too. It all makes you feel like you're in an altered state experiencing the best Tool has to offer. Any news on the release dates for their Opiate reissue? Can't find anything on their site.
post #532 of 1183
http://www.theprp.com/2013/03/23/news/tools-21st-anniversary-reissue-of-opiate-presales-go-live-pictures-and-hefty-price-tag-revealed/

http://www.fourtheye.net/2013/03/toolarmy-opiate-presale-on-now/

Actually, the Opiate reissue is only available to members of Toolarmy...and are rather pricey & very limited.

Have seen TOOL live 5 times now, starting with an early show from the initial Aenima tour (back when MJK was still relatively front & center on stage). Always an amazing live band - 4 guys who stand there & play their songs awesomely while a truly trippy visual experience plays out around/above/behind them. Also the only band I know who often play songs SLOWER live instead of faster.....
Edited by jwebb1970 - 7/10/13 at 11:02pm
post #533 of 1183
tool was pretty different with ÆNIMA and after. I think they was a huge shift between undertow and ÆNIMA. One thing I've always wondered, did tool have a falling out with Henry Rollins ? Henry does an appearance in undertow, and then ÆNIMA has that song Eulogy which one could connect the dots as being about Henry, or Hitler, or Jesus or or or.

The only mention I've ever heard was a video interview with Maynard that said something to the effect of "We owe him money for a gambling debt so we let him on the album".
post #534 of 1183
New ****: Palms

The 3 members of Isis that weren't the singer, and Chino from the Deftones doing vocals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyp1KvQ6Tyg

This is Progressive metal or Post metal, or perhaps Ambient Metal (haha)
post #535 of 1183
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New ****: Palms

The 3 members of Isis that weren't the singer, and Chino from the Deftones doing vocals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyp1KvQ6Tyg

This is Progressive metal or Post metal, or perhaps Ambient Metal (haha)
Kinda sounds like A Perfect Circle's first album.
post #536 of 1183
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Originally Posted by jonathanc View Post

tool was pretty different with ÆNIMA and after. I think they was a huge shift between undertow and ÆNIMA. One thing I've always wondered, did tool have a falling out with Henry Rollins ? Henry does an appearance in undertow, and then ÆNIMA has that song Eulogy which one could connect the dots as being about Henry, or Hitler, or Jesus or or or.

The only mention I've ever heard was a video interview with Maynard that said something to the effect of "We owe him money for a gambling debt so we let him on the album".

I do know the shift towards a more prog/melodic/math-rock direction was a partial contributor to the departure of original bassist Paul D'amour. But it was simply diverging musical tastes/directions and a desire by D'amour to explore other interests - no bad blood. Both Carey & MJK have appeared on a couple of D'amour's post-Tool projects.

The MJK statement about Rollins being owed $$ simply sounds like the former's typical dry, deadpan humor. I seem to recall Rollins in an interview a few years back stating that as far as he know there was no bad blood between him & the members of Tool & that he considered them friends. Before Undertow was ever recorded, Tool & Rollins Band played a number of shows together.

As to Eulogy ....hell, I've heard folks speculating that its about everyone from Jesus to Hitler to Kurt Cobain. The listener can attach whatever or whomever they want to the "meaning" of the song - politician, celebrity, religious figure, or just the self righteous a-hole down the street. I find that with the exception of any of the songs MJK was written regarding his mother like Wings for Marie or APC's Judith, his lyrics are most often meant to be at least somewhat open to the listener's interpretation.

What I've wondered is....who is the "Bob Marley wannabe mother f*#ker" in the audience that MJK speaks of on the live stuff from Opiate? I've read where some seem to think it was Corey Glover of Living Colour. I've always imagined it was either Zach DeLaRocha from Rage Against The Machine or perhaps someone from Fishbone (both were early touring mates with Tool)
Edited by jwebb1970 - 7/11/13 at 8:17pm
post #537 of 1183
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New ****: Palms

The 3 members of Isis that weren't the singer, and Chino from the Deftones doing vocals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyp1KvQ6Tyg

This is Progressive metal or Post metal, or perhaps Ambient Metal (haha)

ohh i like this
post #538 of 1183
Thread Starter 
Now Playing: Woods of Ypres - song is called Finality.

The youtube version sounds terrible compared to Spotify but here you go.


This album was recommended by Don Jamison on That Metal Show. My interest was perked when he compared them to Type O Negative. They do have their similarities, the singer sounds a hell of a lot like the singer from Crash Test Dummies. Remember that song? Hmm hmmm hmmmm hmmmmm. Haha, I actually kind of liked that song.

Anyway, this album has some incredibly beautiful moments especially the second half of the album. Their are parts of "Kiss My Ashes Goodbye" that really give me goosebumps.

Looks like the lead singer was just recently killed in a car crash. So sad, he was the song writer so the band is done. I'm going to check out all their stuff, this is their 5th album. I have such a soft spot for sad sounding melodies.
post #539 of 1183
Now that Woods of Ypres is something I can dig on. Dark and gloomy but the lyrics are understandable. Groovy.
post #540 of 1183
Digging that Palms too.
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