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post #661 of 1183
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WOAH!! The first song on that Flemming produced album called Enter the Grave has crazy fast riffs!! The sound quality is much more raw... I like it though.

Here comes the 2nd song.... yep crazy fast riffs on this one too. This guy has a Hetfieldish right hand. eek.gif
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Hmmm the two songs I check happen to have videos. Am I late to the party and everyone else already knows about this band?
post #663 of 1183
I've listened to some Evile beforr, but haven't look hard into their other music. I can't remember which album of theirs I used to have, but I will definitely check them out.
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HMMMMM New Protest the Hero and new Skeltonwitch next month. October is shaping up to be a good one biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
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Just to get yall ready

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i love amazon

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WTF


I had it supposed to overnight to have it TOMORROW. WHEN THE RELEASE DAY IS!!!! Man....
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lol
amazon almost always gets me stuff early
my PS4 will prob come early as well
post #670 of 1183
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I'm jealous man.... one more day.

My dilemma is do I take in the 2.0 and get used to that and then go 5.1 or just jump right into 5.1.

I think I'm going to go 2.0 first.
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

I'm jealous man.... one more day.

My dilemma is do I take in the 2.0 and get used to that and then go 5.1 or just jump right into 5.1.

I think I'm going to go 2.0 first.

hmm...Serious issue. So, rip to flac or go straight to the disc, or go to 5.1, or pure direct....KNOW WHAT?!?!?
post #672 of 1183
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Very cool, I've been looking forward to the new one!

I have to disagree though on how good their production sounds. Images and Words, Awake, and Scenes from a Memory are fantastic, but the albums after that have a "dead" sound to me. Hard to explain but I don't like it. I've discussed it here before so I won't go on and on, but it's frustrating to me since I love the music on all of their albums. Train of Thought is awesome, love the heaviness of it but once again - that dead sound to it drives me nuts.

I wish they would produce an album that sounds like one of their 90's albums but I'm giving up hope on that. Still, the music itself is outstanding on every album - even my least favorite (Systematic Chaos) has some incredible moments.

2 songs in on the 2.0 CD version.

Good news is that the production doesn't have that "dead" sound that many of their albums starting with Train of Thought have. Bad news is it sounds like it's recorded too hot, even clipping some. Similar to Death Magnetic but not nearly as bad.

I don't understand why a band this great and a history of producing amazing sounding albums (most of their 90's stuff) now just can't get it right. Very frustrating. The highs are clipped for sure.... something doesn't sound right. When the snare drum hits it's the most obvious to me.

Damn. frown.gif

The music itself sounds amazing as always. smile.gif

Well, at least this time I can hold out hope for the 5.1 disk!! I'll put that in later.
post #673 of 1183
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I'd take the production on Black Clouds and Silver Linings for sure, I thought that was the only pretty well produced album since before Train of Thought, this album is not produced as well for sure. It's not harsh but it has an unpleasant edge to it.... hard to describe.


Sorry about going on and on about the production of DT, but it's such a shame to not make the most of all this amazing talent.
Edited by carp - 9/24/13 at 6:07pm
post #674 of 1183
I am about 1 1/2 behind you on this but I am fast approaching getting these discs in for a good dedicated listen. I want to complete the laundry so I have no extraneous sounds that might filter down into the theater whilst giving this one of the best listens I have done to an entire album in a while (dryer vent and machines are above the back of the theater). I am even going to run a sweep real quick to make sure all is good elsewhere in the system beforehand. VERY ready to listen. Oh yea and try out the other screen material but that should take about 30 minutes to pop it on, but that might just have to wait....
post #675 of 1183
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I'd take the production on Black Clouds and Silver Linings for sure, I thought that was the only pretty well produced album since Train of Thought, this album is not produced as well for sure. It's not harsh but it has an unpleasant edge to it.... hard to describe.


Sorry about going on and on about the production of DT, but it's such a shame to not make the most of all this amazing talent.

Haha, I am also going to abstain from any more reading of this thread!!! Lol
post #676 of 1183
I've been casually listening to the album for most of the day at work today and I'm anxious to give it a proper audition at home in 5.1. So far I'm really digging it.
post #677 of 1183
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Ha, sorry man. I guess I should have held off until you guys heard it!
post #678 of 1183
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Ok, I can't help myself. ^

I will say this is the tightest/heaviest/punchiest bass I've heard on a Dream Theater album. The last song is giving me goosebumps - great, great song.

The drums and bass right after the violins sound amazing - such great bass.


I listened to it quickly in my car and it sounds fine, too bad the highs sound jacked up in here.
Edited by carp - 9/24/13 at 6:08pm
post #679 of 1183
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Ok, I can't help myself. ^

I will say this is the tightest/heaviest/punchiest bass I've heard on a Dream Theater album. The last song is giving me goosebumps - great, great song.

The drums and bass right after the violins sound amazing - such great bass.


I listened to it quickly in my car and it sounds fine, too bad the highs sound jacked up in here.

Ok 100% agreed on that last track (all of the segments). The bass and kicks are AWESOME!!!! I will continue my perception with one single caveat, you have to read past the first line:

I didn't hear "clipping..." "Technically"

Ok so through the first two tracks I know I was hearing the same thing you did, Carp, but after really dialing in to where it was coming from, and hearing it periodically through the whole album, I think I figured out what the situation was:

There was a single drum on the set that usually seemed to elicit the same effect, the sound of either a skin loose, or a mic too close to the source and/or clipped. I heard it most predominantly every time that drum was being used. I did hear slight anomalies in other areas, but nothing so direct as I did when that same drum was being utilized. This is obviously just my point of view, but it always came clear to me, from close to the same area of the "staging" of the recording, and, once I dialed in on it, yes it was distracting, but the rest of the album I thought was spot on. So on to the rest:

Track #3 started me off right and by the time it finished I was at 0.0 and having the "finishing chills" that Archaea has mentioned before. The staging was broad, clear, and IMO one of the best I have heard in quite a while.

The rest of the album I just stayed sunk in my seat enjoying the bliss of a "newly" recorded sound from DT, taking me back to their 90's just as I had hoped. They have always had glimmers of that sound in albums since, but this really sealed the deal for me that they aren't one to leave their roots. I didn't expect anything less, with a self-titled album.

So then I hit the final track-tracks in #9 and immediately forgot about half of the album. More "finishing chills," over, and over, and OVER!!! After typing that word three times it looks weird now, but I digress. I finished the disc with a renewed love for DT that I had been missing for a while. I have enjoyed my Budokan disc quite a bit but the little leaflet they tossed in there about their next BD disc has me already salivating at the prospect of more DT greatness to enjoy.

I begged the lady to let me listen to #3 again before I called it a night since i was basically "shutting the closet doors in the bedroom" with the bass kicks from 3 stories down, but I had to hear it one more time. Man I need more time with this disc. It will be in my car on the way to work but with a 9 minute commute, I don't really know how much i can get accomplished there. I do want to also listen to it upstairs on the LS-6's as well and make more comments, but this is it for the night. Just wanted to get my .02 in before I hit the sack biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif Mad stoked it is hard to go to bed at all right now....Screw it, I'm going to have at least one more track, on the LS's for sec....Enjoy fellas!
post #680 of 1183
I know most of you guys are into Black Viking Metalcore or whatever but I watched this documentary on Netflix about being a father and being in a punk band. It was very good and had a great soundtrack.


The Other F Word
post #681 of 1183
I've seen this documentary a few times and really enjoyed it. I listened to a lot of hardcore as a kid and it's nice to see some of these guys are still around.
post #682 of 1183
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

Ok 100% agreed on that last track (all of the segments). The bass and kicks are AWESOME!!!! I will continue my perception with one single caveat, you have to read past the first line:

I didn't hear "clipping..." "Technically"

Ok so through the first two tracks I know I was hearing the same thing you did, Carp, but after really dialing in to where it was coming from, and hearing it periodically through the whole album, I think I figured out what the situation was:

There was a single drum on the set that usually seemed to elicit the same effect, the sound of either a skin loose, or a mic too close to the source and/or clipped. I heard it most predominantly every time that drum was being used. I did hear slight anomalies in other areas, but nothing so direct as I did when that same drum was being utilized. This is obviously just my point of view, but it always came clear to me, from close to the same area of the "staging" of the recording, and, once I dialed in on it, yes it was distracting, but the rest of the album I thought was spot on. So on to the rest:

Track #3 started me off right and by the time it finished I was at 0.0 and having the "finishing chills" that Archaea has mentioned before. The staging was broad, clear, and IMO one of the best I have heard in quite a while.

The rest of the album I just stayed sunk in my seat enjoying the bliss of a "newly" recorded sound from DT, taking me back to their 90's just as I had hoped. They have always had glimmers of that sound in albums since, but this really sealed the deal for me that they aren't one to leave their roots. I didn't expect anything less, with a self-titled album.

So then I hit the final track-tracks in #9 and immediately forgot about half of the album. More "finishing chills," over, and over, and OVER!!! After typing that word three times it looks weird now, but I digress. I finished the disc with a renewed love for DT that I had been missing for a while. I have enjoyed my Budokan disc quite a bit but the little leaflet they tossed in there about their next BD disc has me already salivating at the prospect of more DT greatness to enjoy.

I begged the lady to let me listen to #3 again before I called it a night since i was basically "shutting the closet doors in the bedroom" with the bass kicks from 3 stories down, but I had to hear it one more time. Man I need more time with this disc. It will be in my car on the way to work but with a 9 minute commute, I don't really know how much i can get accomplished there. I do want to also listen to it upstairs on the LS-6's as well and make more comments, but this is it for the night. Just wanted to get my .02 in before I hit the sack biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif Mad stoked it is hard to go to bed at all right now....Screw it, I'm going to have at least one more track, on the LS's for sec....Enjoy fellas!


Hmmm well I'll definitely be giving it more chances. It could just be my ears I guess since I thought the bad sounding highs were on all songs, not just the first two. I think you are right about the drum, but I feel like James' voice clips and the cymbals clip a bit too.

Have you guys heard James Labrie's solo album called Elements of Persuasion?





That's what the production sounds like to me on the new DT album and I have always thought something was wrong with the highs on that solo album.

Who knows, maybe I was in a weird mood last night, maybe it will sound better next time I play the album.
post #683 of 1183
The new Dream Theater is the best since Train Of Thought IMO! In fact, it's like Images and Words part 2 for me (I've had the album longer than a few days, but I did purchase it yesterday). I get so many chills while listening to this album, especially during Illumination Theory.

Beast - you're spot on about the "clipping" and it actually being some weird drum issue. I honestly think they recording something improperly and it sounds like it's out of phase (the cymbals have a weird out of phase effect...). How is it they put all this time into finding a suitable replacement for Portnoy, but then they botch the drums on both the last two albums? frown.gif I think Mangini is as good as Portnoy technically, but I sure do miss Portnoy's input on how the drums should be mic'd and recorded.

Anyway, I plan to listen all the way through tonight again, and I am sure I'll be as blown away as I was last night listening to a freshly ripped .wav format. smile.gif I love this band!!!!

So for album of the year, if it were down to Dream Theater - Dream Theater and Amon Amarth - Deceiver of the Gods, which would you vote for? It might be too early to fully judge the new DT album, so I understand if you cannot decide yet. But for me...well, I am having a very hard time deciding. Both albums are epic!
post #684 of 1183
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

The new Dream Theater is the best since Train Of Thought IMO! In fact, it's like Images and Words part 2 for me (I've had the album longer than a few days, but I did purchase it yesterday). I get so many chills while listening to this album, especially during Illumination Theory.

Beast - you're spot on about the "clipping" and it actually being some weird drum issue. I honestly think they recording something improperly and it sounds like it's out of phase (the cymbals have a weird out of phase effect...). How is it they put all this time into finding a suitable replacement for Portnoy, but then they botch the drums on both the last two albums? frown.gif I think Mangini is as good as Portnoy technically, but I sure do miss Portnoy's input on how the drums should be mic'd and recorded.

Anyway, I plan to listen all the way through tonight again, and I am sure I'll be as blown away as I was last night listening to a freshly ripped .wav format. smile.gif I love this band!!!!

So for album of the year, if it were down to Dream Theater - Dream Theater and Amon Amarth - Deceiver of the Gods, which would you vote for? It might be too early to fully judge the new DT album, so I understand if you cannot decide yet. But for me...well, I am having a very hard time deciding. Both albums are epic!


Well, I love the Amon Amarth album but I don't think it can compete with the new DT - even if they just released Illumination Theory by itself!!! That's not a knock on AA - I love that band! smile.gif

However, my pick so far for album of the year is 13 by Black Sabbath. That would have shocked me before it came out - it wasn't even on my radar really. I had heard that Black Sabbath was making an album with Ozzy and I had no interest and I didn't even plan on checking it out. However, I heard some people going on about how great it was so I checked it out and was stunned. It's like the Sabbath from the early 70's with an amazingly produced sound. They capture the evil vibe without sounding like they are trying to be what they once were and Iommi's rhythm guitar and solos are some of the best he's ever done. The songs are catchy and complex at the same time - which is something I love and is very hard to pull off.

I know I've plugged the album before in the thread, but really it is that great - and I still can't believe it.

Now, I'll have to see what happens when I let DT fully sink in but I still think I'll be picking Sabbath because the only DT albums I'd put ahead of it are Images and Words, Awake, and Scenes From a Memory. If this DT ends up being that good after I get to know it..... that will be awesome.

BTW, Nuance - I LOVE Train of Thought too - I always thought As I Am had a lot of Sabbath in it. Love that song, but the rest of the album is even better! In fact, if the production was like the 90's albums it might be my favorite DT album.
post #685 of 1183
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Ok, I'm listening to the album again tonight. What the hell, it sounds much better to me tonight. I still heard the clipping drum sound you guys explained in the first couple tracks but I'm on song 4 and haven't noticed it for quite awhile. The whole sound still has a slightly clipped sound to me but much less offensive to my ears tonight. Weird... could have been my mood/expectations with the first listen yesterday. Still, these guys are the best of the best when it comes to musicianship you think they would also be able to produce a perfect, or near perfect, sound.

Tonight I'm too busy enjoying the actual MUSIC to notice much of anything else. Well, that and the incredible bass - damn this album pounds the sh*t out of you!! smile.gif

What a great band - after 80's Metallica, Dream Theater is tied with Opeth for my all time favorite.


-edit-

I'm on song 5 - The Bigger Picture. The beginning of that is the perfect example of the clipping snare, if anyone is curious what we are talking about go to that song and you will very clearly hear it. I think I can get used to it. James' voice sounds great after the intro. Goosebumps... again.
post #686 of 1183
I'm not a Sabbath fan (I know - weird, right?), but based on what I've read I'll check out the new album. I really liked Ozzy, but Sabbath was always too slow for me. Is the new album more upbeat and faster paced?
post #687 of 1183
I canceled my Dream Theatre pre-order on Amazon and actually picked this one up at the local big box store (Best Buy).

The DVD-A 5.1 mix is really well done and is the only format in which I have listened. I was expecting a pretty bland mix with maybe some reverb for the surround. The first 30 seconds of the album told me I was going to be in for a treat. The mix is really well done.

As with most 'metal' recordings I still found the bass lacking and I could only turn my SVS sub 1db over calibration before the vocals started sounding muted and muddy.

I won't comment on the music itself yet as for most Dream Theatre albums (Images & Words, Train of Thought, and Black Clouds & Silver Linings being the exception) I usually need quite a few good listenings before I can truely appreciate the music.

Happy listening.
post #688 of 1183
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

The new Dream Theater is the best since Train Of Thought IMO! In fact, it's like Images and Words part 2 for me (I've had the album longer than a few days, but I did purchase it yesterday). I get so many chills while listening to this album, especially during Illumination Theory.

Beast - you're spot on about the "clipping" and it actually being some weird drum issue. I honestly think they recording something improperly and it sounds like it's out of phase (the cymbals have a weird out of phase effect...). How is it they put all this time into finding a suitable replacement for Portnoy, but then they botch the drums on both the last two albums? frown.gif I think Mangini is as good as Portnoy technically, but I sure do miss Portnoy's input on how the drums should be mic'd and recorded.

Anyway, I plan to listen all the way through tonight again, and I am sure I'll be as blown away as I was last night listening to a freshly ripped .wav format. smile.gif I love this band!!!!

So for album of the year, if it were down to Dream Theater - Dream Theater and Amon Amarth - Deceiver of the Gods, which would you vote for? It might be too early to fully judge the new DT album, so I understand if you cannot decide yet. But for me...well, I am having a very hard time deciding. Both albums are epic!

Oh boy, I would have to say DT over AA. And as far as Portnoy's input, you gotta KNOW they wouldn't have had that clipping if he was still around, which for that reason alone makes me pretty sad. Regardless, the new album is awesome. I am actually going to use this album as my head to head comparo between the sunfire and the Sherbourn. Mainly because I don't feel like listening to anything else at this point, haha.


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I'm not a Sabbath fan (I know - weird, right?), but based on what I've read I'll check out the new album. I really liked Ozzy, but Sabbath was always too slow for me. Is the new album more upbeat and faster paced?

They have times where they are, but with Ozzy, I just don't think Sabbath trumps it. I am also very biased towards Zach Wylde, so take that for what its worth.
post #689 of 1183
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I canceled my Dream Theatre pre-order on Amazon and actually picked this one up at the local big box store (Best Buy).



As with most 'metal' recordings I still found the bass lacking and I could only turn my SVS sub 1db over calibration before the vocals started sounding muted and muddy.

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I disagree, I'm shocked at how prominent the bass is on this album. Very well done too, clear/distinct/punchy.
post #690 of 1183
I have to +1 that disagreement as well. I do feel most metal albums lack good bass, but this isn't one of them.
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