Smart Rendering that Works with All AVCHD Camcorders: TMPGEnc MPEG Smart Renderer 4 - Page 2

I have been using Power Director 11 Ultra for a number of months now and am very pleased with the results. I edit AVCHD2 60P and it is the only reasonable editing software (of 8 tested) that will smart render AND use a sd proxy during the editing process. It runs 64bitt.
However burning the edited 60P stream to a BR blank requires external software.

Eugene

I'll have to disagree, because if it's 'dumb copying' why almost no other software is capable of doing it? There is certainly no shortage of video editing tools out there. VideoRedo comes close but nothing compares to this when it comes to smart rendering and ease of use. The transitions are a great bonus.

I've wondered the same thing.

I use three NLEs, Sony's PlayMemories Home, Panasonic's HDWriter and Adobe's Premier Elements. I've also used Sony's Movie Studio and Windows Movie Maker. The first two can do lossless editing. The rest can't.

I think there may be three reasons most NLEs don't include lossless (smart or dumb) rendering.

First, most people don't want it, except for very small group of "purests" that get their video watching pleasure in seeing perfect 1080p60 footage. When I use my two lossless NLEs, I have to make extra effort to watch it! It is fun, but I have to find a way to play it. I have to put it on some sort of specialty device to get it to the TV. Most people don't want to go through the special steps or own the devices.

Second, the common viewing methods of DVD players, Blu-Ray players, computer screens, tablets and smartphones have to have the 1080p60 footage translated somehow. Throw in YouTube and Vimeo as delivery circuits and it gets worse. Trying to reach even the smallest audience with lossless footage is impossible.

Third is the creative process. Editing is not lossless. It is additive. In the process of turning footage into a video, or movie, the person editing adds creativity in the form of titles, transitions, audio effects, video effects, color adjustments, etc. The combined additions improve the video. It is not just video editing. With all digital graphic arts, the post processing is as important as the capturing. In one fascinating forum elsewhere, a member posts an unretouched "lossless" photo. Other members go to work on it, and a day or so later, they post what they were able to accomplish and explain how. Last week I saw a pretty good portrait of a young girl turn into a dozen versions of a extraordinarily beautiful woman. Watch any hollywood movie twice. Enjoy the story the first time. The second time, watch it for post processing editing techniques.

I recently completed an arduous 70 minute family reunion and history documentary. The reality is that to share it with the family members in four states, it has to end up as a DVD and Blu-Ray. A lossless NLE was useless. To get the primary star remotely interesting required a lot of additive editing followed by rendering or transcoding to practical media.

Lossless editing, except for certain minor exceptions, is practically useless. Creative, or "additive" editing is difficult to learn. It is a bigger challenge than gluing clips together that play like a slide show with motion.

Bill

You are right about creative editing, but I don't think Smart Renderer is meant to be used professionally. Where I do find it extremely useful, is for cutting/joining my home videos, possibly with some transitions, and then passing over the untouched output to excellent free encoding tools, like MeGUI/x264. Their highly configurable output can easily outperform ultra-expensive, sluggish editing applications. Sure, for more advanced editing other software is required.

I am using Power Director 11 and it does smart render AVCHD and AVCHD2 as H.264. It also SMs MPEG-2, MPEG-1 and DV-AVI. AFASIK it is the only software that does.

Usually I record from a Panasonic HC-X900M at 60P 1080 and there is no problem smart rendering to a same format video file.

Transitions, titles are of course rendered. Made several hour long videos burning to 60P 1080 BR using Roxio. PD11 will not burn 60P, it makes files only.

Very stable program. Try the free trial download.

Did use Pinnacle for about 15 years. The new X900M has such great video that any re-encoding is visible so I went from Pinnacle 15 and 16 to PD11. Great decision.

Eugene157, can you please clarify, is it kind of Roxio Creator NXT Pro?
Are you using mts files from PD11 and authoring with Roxio and after burning to DVD-R type of media as AVCHD,
what is your authoring and burning process with Roxio?

So far I was be able (thanks to markr041 for pointing to this) author and burn mts files with TMPGEnc Smart Renderer 4 as BDAV.
This is the only one methode available to burn 1080 60p to DVD media.
Edited by bordo32 - 3/14/13 at 4:41pm

If people want to smart render all the way to Blu-ray, you can use free authoring program called multiavchd. It will author bluray disk without rendering. If your smart rendered file is bigger than 4gig then you have to append several 4 gig files into one using 'file append and split tool'.

I use Panasonic tm900 and hdwriter 4.0. New 4.0 is much better than old 3.0.
Previously I used tsmuxer to create bluray disk but multiavchd can able have several separate videos that you can select from the bluray menu page.

I use it to create my Airshow Blu-rays that is around 2hrs long. You can find samples here;
Check out this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmsXXK56bg0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

If people want to smart render all the way to Blu-ray, you can use free authoring program called multiavchd. It will author bluray disk without rendering. If your smart rendered file is bigger than 4gig then you have to append several 4 gig files into one using 'file append and split tool'.

I use Panasonic tm900 and hdwriter 4.0. New 4.0 is much better than old 3.0.
Previously I used tsmuxer to create bluray disk but multiavchd can able have several separate videos that you can select from the bluray menu page.

I use it to create my Airshow Blu-rays that is around 2hrs long. You can find samples here;
Check out this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmsXXK56bg0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

If people want to smart render all the way to Blu-ray, you can use free authoring program called multiavchd. It will author bluray disk without rendering. If your smart rendered file is bigger than 4gig then you have to append several 4 gig files into one using 'file append and split tool'.

I use Panasonic tm900 and hdwriter 4.0. New 4.0 is much better than old 3.0.
Previously I used tsmuxer to create bluray disk but multiavchd can able have several separate videos that you can select from the bluray menu page.

I use it to create my Airshow Blu-rays that is around 2hrs long. You can find samples here;
Check out this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmsXXK56bg0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

If people want to smart render all the way to Blu-ray, you can use free authoring program called multiavchd. It will author bluray disk without rendering. If your smart rendered file is bigger than 4gig then you have to append several 4 gig files into one using 'file append and split tool'.

I use Panasonic tm900 and hdwriter 4.0. New 4.0 is much better than old 3.0.
Previously I used tsmuxer to create bluray disk but multiavchd can able have several separate videos that you can select from the bluray menu page.

I use it to create my Airshow Blu-rays that is around 2hrs long. You can find samples here;
Check out this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmsXXK56bg0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

If people want to smart render all the way to Blu-ray, you can use free authoring program called multiavchd. It will author bluray disk without rendering. If your smart rendered file is bigger than 4gig then you have to append several 4 gig files into one using 'file append and split tool'.

I use Panasonic tm900 and hdwriter 4.0. New 4.0 is much better than old 3.0.
Previously I used tsmuxer to create bluray disk but multiavchd can able have several separate videos that you can select from the bluray menu page.

I use it to create my Airshow Blu-rays that is around 2hrs long. You can find samples here;
Check out this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmsXXK56bg0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

If people want to smart render all the way to Blu-ray, you can use free authoring program called multiavchd. It will author bluray disk without rendering. If your smart rendered file is bigger than 4gig then you have to append several 4 gig files into one using 'file append and split tool'.

I use Panasonic tm900 and hdwriter 4.0. New 4.0 is much better than old 3.0.
Previously I used tsmuxer to create bluray disk but multiavchd can able have several separate videos that you can select from the bluray menu page.

I use it to create my Airshow Blu-rays that is around 2hrs long. You can find samples here;
Check out this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmsXXK56bg0&feature=youtube_gdata_player