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post #151 of 1474
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Originally Posted by digimat View Post

sabesh you are the only left who still uses the Smart Hub... it's a total POS.
In fact shelling out extra money to Samsung for something they should have done right in the first place, just justifies their BS marketing works....

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Originally Posted by EndeaverouX View Post

yes, I cant agree with you more....they finally just fixed the flashing issue on smart hub this week...about time...my wife loves netflix and amazon video thru the TV..makes it easier for her... I personally stream all those services thru my PS3...much much better picture quality than smart hub itself....

Actually, I love the Smart Hub. I use it quite a bit for: Streaming Videos and Pics from my PC & Smartphone, Skype, Crackle/YouTube videos, Browsing etc. However, as with any PC or media player, more horse power is always better.
post #152 of 1474
My thoughts...

From what I understand and have read, the new micro-dimming or cinema black (whatever the Samsung kids are calling it these days) is software based and not hardware based. If that's true, and the 9000 panel is exactly the same as the 8000 panel there's no reason it cannot be enabled for the older TVs through the Evo kit. The fact that there's one kit/box that will connect to multiple models and TVs doesn't matter. It's extremely basic, simple and easy for the kit/box to detect which model TV it's connected to and configure it's parameters and settings based on that TV alone. It could also enable a new dimming feature if the panel in the TV it's connected to could support it. That's very easy stuff to do and there's nothing tricky or impossible about that.

With all that being said, do I think we will get a new dimming feature even though it could be possible? No, probably not. From the little bit of information that's out there (not proven fact at this point), there's no reason the Evo kit could not add that feature IF Samsung wanted to. Again, this is based on rumored facts that are floating around at this time. Once the kit has been released is when we'll know whether it has added that feature, and if not, whether or not they could have it they wanted to.

I'm also amazed at how people can get mad at a company offering an upgrade like this. If you don't like it, feel it's unnecessary or not worth the money, then please don't buy it. No one is forcing anyone to purchase this kit, so why the hostility?
post #153 of 1474
This is what I always thought also. I asumed that the "Cinema black" that's in the 9000 is software and the "Smart LED" that's also in the 9000 is hardware
post #154 of 1474
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

My thoughts...

From what I understand and have read, the new micro-dimming or cinema black (whatever the Samsung kids are calling it these days) is software based and not hardware based. If that's true, and the 9000 panel is exactly the same as the 8000 panel there's no reason it cannot be enabled for the older TVs through the Evo kit. The fact that there's one kit/box that will connect to multiple models and TVs doesn't matter. It's extremely basic, simple and easy for the kit/box to detect which model TV it's connected to and configure it's parameters and settings based on that TV alone. It could also enable a new dimming feature if the panel in the TV it's connected to could support it. That's very easy stuff to do and there's nothing tricky or impossible about that.

With all that being said, do I think we will get a new dimming feature even though it could be possible? No, probably not. From the little bit of information that's out there (not proven fact at this point), there's no reason the Evo kit could not add that feature IF Samsung wanted to. Again, this is based on rumored facts that are floating around at this time. Once the kit has been released is when we'll know whether it has added that feature, and if not, whether or not they could have it they wanted to.

I'm also amazed at how people can get mad at a company offering an upgrade like this. If you don't like it, feel it's unnecessary or not worth the money, then please don't buy it. No one is forcing anyone to purchase this kit, so why the hostility?

Your amazed how people can be angry that a company is charging you for essentially at software update? Really... the only reason you need a quad core is to run all the natural voice ******** Samsung is pushing along with the smart hub... just give me the ****ing smart hub update, I don't want your other ******** I won't ever use.
post #155 of 1474
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

My thoughts...

From what I understand and have read, the new micro-dimming or cinema black (whatever the Samsung kids are calling it these days) is software based and not hardware based. If that's true, and the 9000 panel is exactly the same as the 8000 panel there's no reason it cannot be enabled for the older TVs through the Evo kit. The fact that there's one kit/box that will connect to multiple models and TVs doesn't matter. It's extremely basic, simple and easy for the kit/box to detect which model TV it's connected to and configure it's parameters and settings based on that TV alone. It could also enable a new dimming feature if the panel in the TV it's connected to could support it. That's very easy stuff to do and there's nothing tricky or impossible about that.

With all that being said, do I think we will get a new dimming feature even though it could be possible? No, probably not. From the little bit of information that's out there (not proven fact at this point), there's no reason the Evo kit could not add that feature IF Samsung wanted to. Again, this is based on rumored facts that are floating around at this time. Once the kit has been released is when we'll know whether it has added that feature, and if not, whether or not they could have it they wanted to.

I'm also amazed at how people can get mad at a company offering an upgrade like this. If you don't like it, feel it's unnecessary or not worth the money, then please don't buy it. No one is forcing anyone to purchase this kit, so why the hostility?

They marketed the ES8000 with the promise that the evolution kit available in future years would include picture quality improvements. Now it seems as if there won't be any (as evidenced by them not touting this as a feature at ces - and of course they would have if there was). If people purchased the ES8000 under the assumption that PQ would improve , then yes, they have a right to be mad.
post #156 of 1474
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Originally Posted by dad0118 View Post

They marketed the ES8000 with the promise that the evolution kit available in future years would include picture quality improvements. Now it seems as if there won't be any (as evidenced by them not touting this as a feature at ces - and of course they would have if there was). If people purchased the ES8000 under the assumption that PQ would improve , then yes, they have a right to be mad.

This is very true. This is what Samsung promised at CES last year when they announced the Models that will be able to use this kit. This is why you can't believe anything they say sometimes.
Edited by Anthony5362 - 1/18/13 at 4:28am
post #157 of 1474
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Originally Posted by digimat View Post

Your amazed how people can be angry that a company is charging you for essentially at software update? Really... the only reason you need a quad core is to run all the natural voice ******** Samsung is pushing along with the smart hub... just give me the ****ing smart hub update, I don't want your other ******** I won't ever use.

They're not charging you for anything unless you choose to purchase it. If you don't care about the hardware upgrades and improvements to the voice and gesture items, and only care about the Smart Hub software, then you obviously shouldn't buy the kit. Just because you don't care about those improvements doesn't mean they're not there. It also doesn't mean that everyone else doesn't care about those things. I for one look forward to the hardware improvements the kit brings, so it's worth it to me. Each person/owner can decide whether or not the update is something they want. No one is forcing anyone to purchase it.
post #158 of 1474
You're right they're not forcing me to buy it but they are bundling a simple software update into a 400 + purchase which is ********.

Do you own an xbox 360? Microsoft has continually improved the xbox interface with each new release, completely free of charge and the console is over 7 years old! What do you think would happen if everytime they rolled out a new interface users would have to buy some stupid hardware upgrade to run the thing? That's just bad ****ing engineering.

I really have no issue with Samsung offering a hardware optional upgrade for owners who want it, sure if you want your TV to run as fast as your PC, why not... but don't make me pay for a simple ****ing software update that fixes your ****** interface in the first place.
post #159 of 1474
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Originally Posted by digimat View Post

You're right they're not forcing me to buy it but they are bundling a simple software update into a 400 + purchase which is ********.

Do you own an xbox 360? Microsoft has continually improved the xbox interface with each new release, completely free of charge and the console is over 7 years old! What do you think would happen if everytime they rolled out a new interface users would have to buy some stupid hardware upgrade to run the thing? That's just bad ****ing engineering.

I really have no issue with Samsung offering a hardware optional upgrade for owners who want it, sure if you want your TV to run as fast as your PC, why not... but don't make me pay for a simple ****ing software update that fixes your ****** interface in the first place.

very true....how bout the PS3....it came out in 2006....here we are in 2013...the PS3 is by far the most updateable bluray in the market now....the PS3 potential has been amazing....over 6-7 years..all sony had to do was update the firmware....I still have the original FAT 20gb PS3....by far the fastest, beefiest, reliable, dependable, updatable, beast piece of hardware in the market now for blurays and streaming services...oh by the way a kick azz gaming machine too......

I think the main beef is not with the evo kit itself, is why isn't samsung updating the 2012 TV's to the newest smart hub...it has plenty of hardware power....dual core processor should be plenty enough...These 2012 TV's are just about less than a year old...

The real reason and answer is: ALL ABOUT THE MONEY....for samsung.... rolleyes.gif
post #160 of 1474
Not that I would ever leap to the defense of Samsung, but isn't it also possible that the new Smart Hub just doesn't perform the way it is designed to without the quad-core processor? If that's the case and Samsung releases it as a free software upgrade, they would be inundated with complaints from users upset that the new hub works even worse than the current one. Perhaps they can offer a scaled-down, less robust version of the hub for those who choose to not purchase the EVO Kit. That way, there is still a reasonable incentive for people to purchase the kit and Samsung still provides a free upgrade path for everyone else.
post #161 of 1474
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Originally Posted by pitchman View Post

Not that I would ever leap to the defense of Samsung, but isn't it also possible that the new Smart Hub just doesn't perform the way it is designed to without the quad-core processor? If that's the case and Samsung releases it as a free software upgrade, they would be inundated with complaints from users upset that the new hub works even worse than the current one. Perhaps they can offer a scaled-down, less robust version of the hub for those who choose to not purchase the EVO Kit. That way, there is still a reasonable incentive for people to purchase the kit and Samsung still provides a free upgrade path for everyone else.

I'd be willing to bet that if the team that develops the firmware updates for the PS3 were working on it, it would be a non issue in regards to running the new smart hub without the EVO kit. Even though the PS3 is not my primary bluray player, I'm still amazed at how well it performs considering its 7 years old almost. Did anyone think they would figure out how to add 3D, DTS HDMA and Dolby True HD for 2D playback on the old fat versions, and be able to play 3D and DTS HDMA at the same time on the slims.... Free of Charge!

I like the idea of the EVO kit, but Sony did it the right way by rewarding loyal owners with future proofing upgrades free of charge. For that, I know I will be one of the first to buy the new PS4 once I can get one without camping out overnight.
post #162 of 1474
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

I'd be willing to bet that if the team that develops the firmware updates for the PS3 were working on it, it would be a non issue in regards to running the new smart hub without the EVO kit. Even though the PS3 is not my primary bluray player, I'm still amazed at how well it performs considering its 7 years old almost. Did anyone think they would figure out how to add 3D, DTS HDMA and Dolby True HD for 2D playback on the old fat versions, and be able to play 3D and DTS HDMA at the same time on the slims.... Free of Charge!

I like the idea of the EVO kit, but Sony did it the right way by rewarding loyal owners with future proofing upgrades free of charge. For that, I know I will be one of the first to buy the new PS4 once I can get one without camping out overnight.

Great post Cmay!
post #163 of 1474
Absolutely agree about the Sony sentiments. I have two PS3's (an 80g fat and a new 250g super slim) and I use them daily. I keep telling myself that one of these days I'll get an Oppo when the fat PS3 fails, but I just don't see that happening any time soon. I have well over 2,500 discs (Blu-ray & DVD) and I have never encountered a single one that the PS3 won't play. I have some reservations about the build quality of the new slim model, though. It boasts extremely cost-reduced and flimsy construction, especially the tray mechanism, but so far, all discs play perfectly.
post #164 of 1474
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Originally Posted by pitchman View Post

Absolutely agree about the Sony sentiments. I have two PS3's (an 80g fat and a new 250g super slim) and I use them daily. I keep telling myself that one of these days I'll get an Oppo when the fat PS3 fails, but I just don't see that happening any time soon. I have well over 2,500 discs (Blu-ray & DVD) and I have never encountered a single one that the PS3 won't play. I have some reservations about the build quality of the new slim model, though. It boasts extremely cost-reduced and flimsy construction, especially the tray mechanism, but so far, all discs play perfectly.

I will tell you this, if you do ever pick up an Oppo, you won't be disappointed. It's the only bluray player on the market that surpasses the PS3 in terms of video and audio quality. I had them both hooked up to the ES8000 and the Oppo does outperform the PS3. The big advantage of the Oppo is that it has hdmi inputs, so you can connect the cable or satellite box into the Oppo to drastically improve and upscale everything to 1080p.
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post #166 of 1474
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Speaking of the Oppo, I was just reading this review on it yesterday.

http://www.electronichouse.com/article/hands_on_oppo_bdp-105_blu-ray_player?utm_source=EHWeeklyNewsletter&utm_medium=email

My dad has the Oppo 105 and loves it. He bought the more expensive one because he is really into the high resolution audio and wanted the superior analog outs on the 105. I have the 103 and love it. Video wise, the two are pretty much the same, but audio wise, the 105 stands alone.
post #167 of 1474
Right now I have everything going through my Onkyo 818. I'm wondering if I bought the Oppo 105 if it would make any difference in picture quality compared to what the Onkyo does now.
post #168 of 1474
Besides its highly regarded video processing prowess, the biggest reason I want the Oppo is for its hi-res audio capabilities. Over the years, I have amassed hundreds of dollars worth of SACD and DVD-A discs and my primary playback device (a Denon 3910) is starting to show its age. The Oppo seems like a great way to protect and preserve my hi-res audio investment. However, I'm still considering another Denon since I'm a real fan of their D-Link connection when it comes to audio.
post #169 of 1474
Is it ok to post factual information here or is it a requirement that all posts come with an opinion of hatred attached?

While I was at CES I talked to one of the guys at the Samsung booth and he said they are considering releasing an Evo Kit that doesn't bring all the bells and whistles but is centered only on the "technical" aspects of the TV. He qualified that to mean improvements to picture quality such as updating Micro Dimming and dealing with the oft maligned Cinema Black issue.
Edited by rocketman9 - 1/19/13 at 10:54am
post #170 of 1474
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Originally Posted by rocketman9 View Post

Is it ok to post factual information here or is it a requirement that all posts come with an opinion of hatred attached?

While I was at CES I talked to one of the guys at the Samsung booth and he said they are considering releasing an Evo Kit that doesn't bring all the bells and whistles but is centered only on the "technical" aspects of the TV. He qualified that to mean improvements to picture quality such as updating Micro Dimming and dealing with the oft maligned Cinema Black issue.

So your saying that Samsung is releasing 2 different Evo kit? One for all the bells and whistles and the other for picture quality improvements?
post #171 of 1474
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Originally Posted by rocketman9 View Post

Is it ok to post factual information here or is it a requirement that all posts come with an opinion of hatred attached?

While I was at CES I talked to one of the guys at the Samsung booth and he said they are considering releasing an Evo Kit that doesn't bring all the bells and whistles but is centered only on the "technical" aspects of the TV. He qualified that to mean improvements to picture quality such as updating Micro Dimming and dealing with the oft maligned Cinema Black issue.

Hopefully it wasnt the same guy that at last years CES said that it would come with improvements to both smile.gif they would never do that BTW. Samsung is in the business of making money, and there just would not be enough of a market for two different types of an EVO kit. Heck, they arent even giving LEDs / Plasmas different versions.
post #172 of 1474
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

So your saying that Samsung is releasing 2 different Evo kit? One for all the bells and whistles and the other for picture quality improvements?

I am not saying Samsung is releasing anything that does anything. I am saying that some guy at CES from an evil lying corporation told me what I posed above.
post #173 of 1474
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Originally Posted by dad0118 View Post

Hopefully it wasnt the same guy that at last years CES said that it would come with improvements to both smile.gif they would never do that BTW. Samsung is in the business of making money, and there just would not be enough of a market for two different types of an EVO kit. Heck, they arent even giving LEDs / Plasmas different versions.

Or the guy in one of the YouTube videos from this year that mentions "it will even make the picture better" as the camera was moving away. I would think that they would be bragging all over the net if this Evo kit was to give us better picture quality. I would also think that when Tim Baxter and Joe Stinziano were up on stage announcing this kit that they would have mentioned improved picture quality also. All these things is what makes me believe that were not going to get that, so This is why Im not getting my hopes up. I would love it if it does, and I hope when it comes out that it does, but I'm not going to get excited about it until its out.
post #174 of 1474
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Or the guy in one of the YouTube videos from this year that mentions "it will even make the picture better" as the camera was moving away. I would think that they would be bragging all over the net if this Evo kit was to give us better picture quality. I would also think that when Tim Baxter and Joe Stinziano were up on stage announcing this kit that they would have mentioned improved picture quality also. All these things is what makes me believe that were not going to get that, so This is why Im not getting my hopes up. I would love it if it does, and I hope when it comes out that it does, but I'm not going to get excited about it until its out.

It is pretty hard to believe that a company with such a heinous interest in pursing profits would upgrade our pictures for only a few hundred dollars.
post #175 of 1474
Sounds very familiar to me rolleyes.gif
post #176 of 1474
Ill buy one if it gets rid of the cmr 240 fake crap and give 120hz refresh rate with motion blur instead of judder crap.

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post #177 of 1474
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

I'd be willing to bet that if the team that develops the firmware updates for the PS3 were working on it, it would be a non issue in regards to running the new smart hub without the EVO kit. Even though the PS3 is not my primary bluray player, I'm still amazed at how well it performs considering its 7 years old almost. Did anyone think they would figure out how to add 3D, DTS HDMA and Dolby True HD for 2D playback on the old fat versions, and be able to play 3D and DTS HDMA at the same time on the slims.... Free of Charge!

I like the idea of the EVO kit, but Sony did it the right way by rewarding loyal owners with future proofing upgrades free of charge. For that, I know I will be one of the first to buy the new PS4 once I can get one without camping out overnight.

thanx for adding to my PS3 point....could not have said better myself....great input..... biggrin.gif
post #178 of 1474
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Originally Posted by fwdkiller View Post

Ill buy one if it gets rid of the cmr 240 fake crap and give 120hz refresh rate with motion blur instead of judder crap.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I727 using Tapatalk 2

you know you can turn off the automotion plus my friend...if you dont like it like me...just turn it offf....simple as that tongue.gif
post #179 of 1474
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Originally Posted by pitchman View Post

Not that I would ever leap to the defense of Samsung, but isn't it also possible that the new Smart Hub just doesn't perform the way it is designed to without the quad-core processor? If that's the case and Samsung releases it as a free software upgrade, they would be inundated with complaints from users upset that the new hub works even worse than the current one. Perhaps they can offer a scaled-down, less robust version of the hub for those who choose to not purchase the EVO Kit. That way, there is still a reasonable incentive for people to purchase the kit and Samsung still provides a free upgrade path for everyone else.

I high doubt the new smart hub would require a quad processor... like I said the PS3 is going strong after 7 years all with firmware updates....

Smasung software programmers probably know that the current dual core processsor in the 2012 tv is good enough....

but its all bout the money...just another way sammy can make more money each year...and to put the salt on the wound, a new evo kit every year? come on....

imagine if sony came out with a playstation every year? we would be on the PS10 by now.... samsungs logic on this one will hurt them....why not put an evo kit expansion kit on ALL sammy HDTVs then...why only the 7500 and above? Ill get one just for the heck of it and test it out.....

hope things change from now till it is actually on sale.... rolleyes.gif
post #180 of 1474
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Originally Posted by EndeaverouX View Post

I high doubt the new smart hub would require a quad processor... like I said the PS3 is going strong after 7 years all with firmware updates....

Smasung software programmers probably know that the current dual core processsor in the 2012 tv is good enough....

but its all bout the money...just another way sammy can make more money each year...and to put the salt on the wound, a new evo kit every year? come on....

imagine if sony came out with a playstation every year? we would be on the PS10 by now.... samsungs logic on this one will hurt them....why not put an evo kit expansion kit on ALL sammy HDTVs then...why only the 7500 and above? Ill get one just for the heck of it and test it out.....

hope things change from now till it is actually on sale.... rolleyes.gif

I am looking forward to their bad decisions catching up with them so we don't have to not buy their products!
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