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post #61 of 562
1/11/13 at 10:02am
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Sorry for keep repeating myself.. But I'd be happy if the evolution kit just added an extra HDMI input or two.. Who would not benefit from extra HDMI inputs... All of us would benefit. Three HDMI inputs on a costly flagship TV is rediculous when everyone else has four or more HDMI inputs. I am at the point where I cannot add any more HDMI devices. frown.gif

I hope someone from samsung reads this and takes notes for the next evolution kit release.

dude with all due respect you can get an HDMI switcher and just add tons of HDMI ports to your TV that way.

or better yet just get a new AVR with a bunch of HDMI inputs. you don't need the evolution kit for that...
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1/11/13 at 10:32am
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Sorry for keep repeating myself.. But I'd be happy if the evolution kit just added an extra HDMI input or two.. Who would not benefit from extra HDMI inputs... All of us would benefit. Three HDMI inputs on a costly flagship TV is rediculous when everyone else has four or more HDMI inputs. I am at the point where I cannot add any more HDMI devices. frown.gif

I hope someone from samsung reads this and takes notes for the next evolution kit release.

For $400 you can get a reasonable AVR with video processing and HDMI switching which you should already have as part of your setup
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post #63 of 562
1/11/13 at 12:50pm
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For $400 you can get a reasonable AVR with video processing and HDMI switching which you should already have as part of your setup

that's what i said....getting the evo kit for hdmi input is a waste of money...besides, that is not even an HDMI input cable that it shows on that picture....loooks like it is somekinda hyibrid ethernet cable...who knows and who cares.....

Honestly in reality if every one had and AVR with multiple HDMI inputs, all we really need is one freaking HDMI input on the TV....

For crying out loud, you can get an automatic HDMI swticher from monoprice for almost nothing....
http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?keyword=hdmi+switch

Also look at amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_sc_0_9?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=hdmi+switch&sprefix=hdmi+swti%2Caps%2C144
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post #64 of 562
1/11/13 at 12:51pm
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Sorry for keep repeating myself.. But I'd be happy if the evolution kit just added an extra HDMI input or two.. Who would not benefit from extra HDMI inputs... All of us would benefit. Three HDMI inputs on a costly flagship TV is rediculous when everyone else has four or more HDMI inputs. I am at the point where I cannot add any more HDMI devices. frown.gif

I hope someone from samsung reads this and takes notes for the next evolution kit release.

getting the evo kit for hdmi input is a waste of money...besides, that is not even an HDMI input cable that it shows on that picture....loooks like it is somekinda hyibrid ethernet cable...who knows and who cares.....

Honestly in reality if every one had and AVR with multiple HDMI inputs, all we really need is one freaking HDMI input on the TV....

For crying out loud, you can get an automatic HDMI swticher from monoprice for almost nothing....
http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?keyword=hdmi+switch

Also look at amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_sc_0_9?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=hdmi+switch&sprefix=hdmi+swti%2Caps%2C144
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post #65 of 562
1/11/13 at 5:55pm
Thanks for the many suggestions guys... My TV is actually in my bedroom... I have no room for a receiver, speakers, etc. I am running a sound bar w/sub which is plenty for my setup. The automatic switcher is very appealing, and is my best option if extra HDMI inputs never show up on future evolution kits.


*CES Demo Installation of evolution kit, not in the english language but easy enough to understand. smile.gif

http://youtu.be/zsfuS4Lymj8
Edited by badabing - 1/12/13 at 9:34am
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post #66 of 562
1/12/13 at 12:22pm
Some more info on the new Smart Hub.

It almost sounds as if one could ditch the Set Top Box provided by the cable company. I'd love to ditch my crappy Comcast Motorola box. I don't think they've updated the software/firmware in nearly 10 years. 4:3? Really? Looks like it's running Windows 3.1….

Not sure if you plug your STB into the Evolution Kit or if you could just ditch it.

My wife would miss the DVR capabilities. There are other solutions, but fer crying out loud, why does this all have to be so complicated…. smile.gif

http://www.televisioninfo.com/Features/Samsungs-New-Smart-Hub-Promises-Revolutionary-Interface.htm?utm_source=outbrain_recirc&obref=obinsite
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post #67 of 562
1/12/13 at 12:36pm
If I could ditch my ghetto comcast HD DVR interface, and the smartTV could plug into my DVR shows and comcast chanel guide, THAT would be something awesome. My understanding is that is not the case, and S-recommend just works for OTA and on-demand content, which is worthless to me.
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post #68 of 562
1/12/13 at 3:19pm
I wonder how that would work with DirecTV's RVU? Hmmmm.
http://www.cnet.com/8301-33363_1-57356230/take-that-dish-samsung-directv-partner-on-boxless-dvr-streaming/
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post #69 of 562
1/12/13 at 7:55pm
Hi, will be have some picture quality improvements whith the evolution kit ?. there's no sense to have a quad core cpu only to improve the smart hub ( I don´t use it ), I think add more memory was enough ( 4 gb). I wish I would had precision black or local dimming on my ES7000 3d in order to disspear every clouding remainder of my tv. Thanks everybody,
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post #70 of 562
1/12/13 at 8:22pm
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Some more info on the new Smart Hub.

It almost sounds as if one could ditch the Set Top Box provided by the cable company. I'd love to ditch my crappy Comcast Motorola box. I don't think they've updated the software/firmware in nearly 10 years

A lot more people are cutting the cord these days. I probably never will unless economics demand it

I've got Directv at work. I'm a geologist so I have quite a bit of time to watch it when I'm there. And at home I have Dish Network and the new Hopper they introduced last year. I've got to say that Dish is the best in many ways - but especially because of the Hopper.
The Prime Time Anytime feature is pretty clutch. And don't believe the hype about the weather and satellite issues - unless losing signal maybe once a year briefly is that big of a deal

But anyways, yeah I think the support for ditching the cable/satellite companies is there if you want to do it. It's easier than ever and if that's your thing you can get by with just Netflix or Hulu and on demand. But internet company's bandwidth constraints/limits keep that from being a reality for many unless you want to stream all your shows in SD to save your allocated bandwidth
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post #71 of 562
1/12/13 at 9:36pm
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Hi, will be have some picture quality improvements whith the evolution kit ?. there's no sense to have a quad core cpu only to improve the smart hub ( I don´t use it ), I think add more memory was enough ( 4 gb). I wish I would had precision black or local dimming on my ES7000 3d in order to disspear every clouding remainder of my tv. Thanks everybody,

The new "F" 8000 series now has a new and improved version of the "D" 8000 series cinema black option.... Although most likely a hardware component... If by chance it is software driven maybe samsung will add it back in via the evolution kit. They keep claiming..... "Simply plug in the evolution kit and your 2012 TV will have the same features as the 2013 model".. We'll see soon enough how true this is.. I would love to know what chipsets are inside.. I hope it is more than just a quad core processor and memory chip. I am still upset they chose to take cinema black off of the 2012 "E" 8000 series. It is one feature that I would have used for sure.

http://blogs.which.co.uk/technology/ces/samsung-f8000-samsungs-flagship-led-tv-for-2013/
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post #72 of 562
1/13/13 at 1:10pm
There would be a basic ( 200 $ ) and advanced version ( 600 $ , no more ! ) of the Ev Kit, wouldn' it?. It's such a nonsense to pay only for smart hub improvements . I hope you to claim samsung from here to make that petition come true ,please. 'cause I think you all have more possibilities of being listening to than me ( I'm only a humble -latin -america man ). Thanks everybody.
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post #73 of 562
1/13/13 at 2:04pm
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Originally Posted by AGUSTINFOREVER View Post

There would be a basic ( 200 $ ) and advanced version ( 600 $ , no more ! ) of the Ev Kit, wouldn' it?. It's such a nonsense to pay only for smart hub improvements . I hope you to claim samsung from here to make that petition come true ,please. 'cause I think you all have more possibilities of being listening to than me ( I'm only a humble -latin -america man ). Thanks everybody.

They wont do that - would be too confusing to market. Also, keep in mind there is only so much these evoluton kits can do.
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post #74 of 562
1/13/13 at 2:06pm
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Originally Posted by AGUSTINFOREVER View Post

There would be a basic ( 200 $ ) and advanced version ( 600 $ , no more ! ) of the Ev Kit, wouldn' it?. It's such a nonsense to pay only for smart hub improvements . I hope you to claim samsung from here to make that petition come true ,please. 'cause I think you all have more possibilities of being listening to than me ( I'm only a humble -latin -america man ). Thanks everybody.

No there is only news of 1 version of the Evo kit being released, and my guess around $300 US. Although it is rumored that they may release the new Smart Hub to everyone
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post #75 of 562
1/13/13 at 4:50pm
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Originally Posted by gamermwm View Post

No there is only news of 1 version of the Evo kit being released, and my guess around $300 US. Although it is rumored that they may release the new Smart Hub to everyone

I heard this as well..... The 2012 Smart Hub is so messed up... And the brief flash up after the TV powers up is getting annoying... If samsung cannot fix it they may be forced to upgrade everyone to a working version.. That leaves the evolution kit with providing a quad core processor and more memory... Wooooopie do da who cares... Dual core is more than plenty.. It's the smart hubs software that is the problem.
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post #76 of 562
1/13/13 at 5:01pm
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thanx for the video brotha.....

yet another idiotic samsung rep at CES...and that guy was asking all the wrong questions.....

How bout they ask this: If average consumer gets a brand new tv every 7 years, why in the world should i have to upgrade my brand new 2012 tv thats less than a year old....

Total BS...HORSE MANUAH....and once you buy an evolution kit, its only good for that year....if I want the 2014 features, I would have to buy the 2014 evolution kit....that's an OUTRIGHT OUTRAGEOUS SCAM.......

am I the only one that feels this way?mad.gif

Lol! Great thread! I think most of us here agree with you. I actually laughed when I saw that video with the Samsung rep saying last minute that it will even improve the picture quality! What a joke!!
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post #77 of 562
1/13/13 at 5:56pm
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Originally Posted by rugerztzg View Post

If they overprice them, no one will buy one. If no one buys the first generation, watch out for no further upgrade kits. Most hardware add-ons fail.

This is already a fairly limited market. How many people will even know they exist or care...6.gif

Rugertzg

how come you keep re posting other people's posts? I've seen you do in many other threads. At first I thought maybe cause your new here and don't know what your doing, but you been doing this now over and over in different threads.
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post #78 of 562
1/13/13 at 6:20pm
Rugertzg sounds familiar, like a bot that was recently doing the same thing. Not sure if it's the exact name though.

That being said, I wish we would have gotten more info about the kit throughout the week. Guess we have to wait at this point.
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post #79 of 562
1/13/13 at 6:41pm
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Originally Posted by boondongle View Post

Some more info on the new Smart Hub.

It almost sounds as if one could ditch the Set Top Box provided by the cable company. I'd love to ditch my crappy Comcast Motorola box. I don't think they've updated the software/firmware in nearly 10 years. 4:3? Really? Looks like it's running Windows 3.1….

Not sure if you plug your STB into the Evolution Kit or if you could just ditch it.

My wife would miss the DVR capabilities. There are other solutions, but fer crying out loud, why does this all have to be so complicated…. smile.gif

http://www.televisioninfo.com/Features/Samsungs-New-Smart-Hub-Promises-Revolutionary-Interface.htm?utm_source=outbrain_recirc&obref=obinsite

you cant just ditch your cable box nor satellite...those boxes are encrypted and bring the channels in. you cant just plug in ur cable or satelite into the tv...thats not how it works... besides..if you have a DVR, you need a harddrive to record your programs...I dont know how they do it overseas..but in the USA theres a lot of red tape between us the the cable/sat companies....
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post #80 of 562
1/13/13 at 6:46pm
For RVU through DirectTV though, you would have a DVR, like the Hopper for Dish, then maybe you would have a small box, like a Joey on Dish for a second TV, but when the line gets to a Samsung with RVY, you don't need the DVR or the "Joey" - the line just connects and it all works with DirecTV's menus, even for the DVR.
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post #81 of 562
1/13/13 at 6:50pm
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No there is only news of 1 version of the Evo kit being released, and my guess around $300 US. Although it is rumored that they may release the new Smart Hub to everyone

Im the thread starter..where did you hear about that everyone is getting a new smart hub interface? Please provide a source....are you the one starting this rumor? lol

trust me..number one...why would they come out with an evolution kit in the 1st place if everyone is getting the new smart hub UI....

its actually the opposite...samsung has stated they wont be upgrading 2012 smarthub....unless u get the evo kit...

if you find FACTs, please provide that source...otherwise do not cause confusion on my thread.....thank you brotha.... rolleyes.gif
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post #82 of 562
1/13/13 at 6:53pm
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I heard this as well..... The 2012 Smart Hub is so messed up... And the brief flash up after the TV powers up is getting annoying... If samsung cannot fix it they may be forced to upgrade everyone to a working version.. That leaves the evolution kit with providing a quad core processor and more memory... Wooooopie do da who cares... Dual core is more than plenty.. It's the smart hubs software that is the problem.

dont put ur hopes up and be delousional...why would samsung give us the new user interface for smart hub? why should they even sell the evo kit then? it wont happen...check the facts....
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post #83 of 562
1/13/13 at 6:59pm
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For RVU through DirectTV though, you would have a DVR, like the Hopper for Dish, then maybe you would have a small box, like a Joey on Dish for a second TV, but when the line gets to a Samsung with RVY, you don't need the DVR or the "Joey" - the line just connects and it all works with DirecTV's menus, even for the DVR.

thats the minority....most peoples set up arent like that....that smart hub interface is mostly for OTA channels...dont let the you tube videos fool you...i am personally gonna get the evo kit to TEST it out...I will make a full review on it...but will I keep it after 30 days? that remains to be seen....
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1/13/13 at 7:48pm
I heard this rumor too. I think it started from someone calling their tech support and assuming because of all the issues they are having with their smart hub now that they will have to switch everyone over to the new one. Do I think its going to happen though? I highly doubt it. Nothing's for free when your dealing with Samsung. They would charge you for a FW update if they could smile.gif
Edited by Anthony5362 - 1/13/13 at 8:04pm
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1/13/13 at 8:43pm
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Originally Posted by EndeaverouX View Post

dont put ur hopes up and be delousional...why would samsung give us the new user interface for smart hub? why should they even sell the evo kit then? it wont happen...check the facts....

I guess time will tell if they will do anything at all for us. I would atleast hope they fix the current smart hub issues... It's been several months now and still no fix. frown.gif
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post #86 of 562
1/13/13 at 10:15pm
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

Three HDMI inputs on a costly flagship TV is rediculous when everyone else has four or more HDMI inputs.
Completely agree. The most absurd "innovation" of the 2012 lineup

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dude with all due respect you can get an HDMI switcher and just add tons of HDMI ports to your TV that way.

or better yet just get a new AVR with a bunch of HDMI inputs. you don't need the evolution kit for that...
Unfortunately, both variants are inferior substitutions for TV's own genuine HDMI port . The reason is that Samsung TVs have the ability to store unique user settings for each HDMI input independently. You can set unique settings for а Satellite Receiver, unique settings for PS3, unique settings for any connected device if you use the different HDMI port for each device. In case of an external AVR/switcher you loose this benefit. Аll of the extra-ports of AVR/switcher is actually one single port for the TV. So the settings are common for all devices you connect to such an extender.

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besides, that is not even an HDMI input cable that it shows on that picture....loooks like it is somekinda hyibrid ethernet cable
It is the ethernet cable with the adapter. Obviously, the profile of Evolution Kit is too thin for RJ-45 jack so adapter is needed
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post #87 of 562
1/13/13 at 11:21pm
I really don't get what everyone is so upset about. A manufacturer actually commits to providing you a hardware/software upgrade path for your TV for up to four years after it's been discontinued -- how is that something to legitimately complain about? Prior to Samsung doing this, the solution was this: "Oh, you have a 2010 model TV and want new hardware and software? Well, you can buy a new TV." Simple as that. At least you have an option. If you don't see value in the kit, then don't buy it! Samsung isn't forcing you to purchase it. Taking issue with the fact that Samsung now gives the consumer an option to upgrade their TV is a bit unreasonable and doesn't really make any sense to me. More manufacturers should do this. I'm sure street pricing will undercut retail, unless Samsung applies UMRP to these.

In any case, anyone in this hobby should realize by now that whether you buy a mid-range or a flagship model TV, once your model is discontinued and replaced by something newer, the manufacturer is not beholden to making software/hardware/functionality improvements for your model. Always baffles me when people get mad that they spent x amount of dollars on a previous year TV and the TV doesn't have this feature or that feature that the current model does. Nobody ever promised you upgrades, and the fact that Samsung is even providing this opportunity, albeit at a cost, is a step in the right direction.
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post #88 of 562
1/14/13 at 2:32am
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I really don't get what everyone is so upset about. A manufacturer actually commits to providing you a hardware/software upgrade path for your TV for up to four years after it's been discontinued -- how is that something to legitimately complain about? Prior to Samsung doing this, the solution was this: "Oh, you have a 2010 model TV and want new hardware and software? Well, you can buy a new TV." Simple as that. At least you have an option. If you don't see value in the kit, then don't buy it! Samsung isn't forcing you to purchase it. Taking issue with the fact that Samsung now gives the consumer an option to upgrade their TV is a bit unreasonable and doesn't really make any sense to me. More manufacturers should do this. I'm sure street pricing will undercut retail, unless Samsung applies UMRP to these.

In any case, anyone in this hobby should realize by now that whether you buy a mid-range or a flagship model TV, once your model is discontinued and replaced by something newer, the manufacturer is not beholden to making software/hardware/functionality improvements for your model. Always baffles me when people get mad that they spent x amount of dollars on a previous year TV and the TV doesn't have this feature or that feature that the current model does. Nobody ever promised you upgrades, and the fact that Samsung is even providing this opportunity, albeit at a cost, is a step in the right direction.
Well said. I agree 100%. As I said before, it's nice of Samsung to offer this. All other manufacturers should do the same.
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post #89 of 562
1/14/13 at 2:35am
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Im the thread starter..where did you hear about that everyone is getting a new smart hub interface? Please provide a source....are you the one starting this rumor? lol

trust me..number one...why would they come out with an evolution kit in the 1st place if everyone is getting the new smart hub UI....

its actually the opposite...samsung has stated they wont be upgrading 2012 smarthub....unless u get the evo kit...

if you find FACTs, please provide that source...otherwise do not cause confusion on my thread.....thank you brotha.... rolleyes.gif

I only said that it was rumored. I never stated it as a fact. There have been a lot of rumors and speculation flying about the kit, and not just in this (YOUR!!!) thread wink.gif Until full details and pricing are unveiled there's nothing you can do about it except try to sort it all out

But yeah I agree it wouldn't make a lot of sense, unless they are actually trying to please everyone. Then it only kind of makes sense.

Perhaps you can get the updated hub, but no quad core, no picture quality "improvements," no new video streaming improvement/support without buying the kit - and by doing so Samsung wouldn't have to release software updates for the outdated hub because everyone would have a version of the new one

But I'll tell you where I first heard it, over in the UK AVForums ES8000 thread. I believe the poster's name was TonyaNorway who is a software designer for Samung's Smart Hub. He usually knows about their software/hardware releases before the general public. And I don't believe he stated it as fact either, who knows maybe Samsung hasn't even fully decided yet
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1/14/13 at 3:03am
I want to add this as an update to my post above. I found this recent question to TonyaNorway and the response at AVForums.com. Link provided at the bottom of the page. If you really want to hear from someone who has their finger on the pulse of Samsung the thread is worth checking up on now and again
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Originally Posted by UE46ES8000 
@TonyaNorway

Why would Samsung upgrade 8000 SH to 2013 for free (without buying EK)? And as you said, the 8000 2012 will not be able to run 2013 SH without additional horse power provided by EK. And also only 8000 and 7000 have option to be upgraded so that mean they will lose 50% of possible customers for EK.

Trust me I would like if they upgrade for free but it's a little far fetched. Don`t you think?
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Originally Posted by TonyaNorway 
Actually that's not what I said!
If you read my last post carefully, I said "the giant leap will come with the EK, which supplies a more powerful GPU, CPU & memory space."

The tech I spoke to said that the new SH will probably be able to run on the 8000 without the EK, however the enhanced voice recog & motion recog will of course not be available due to hardware limitations (read CPU power) that will be overcome by fitting the EK.

Also from a business angle, it's probably better not to fragment SH development, trying to support several different platforms at once I guess.

Just like a PC, if you upgrade and replace the processors it becomes faster, more robust, etc.

The EK is so much more than the new SH design, let's face it, nobody is going to pay £250+ for just a pretty interface!

And here's the link: Posts #131 & #132
http://www.avforums.com/forums/lcd-led-lcd-tvs/1727401-samsung-ue-es8000-owners-thread-part-9-a-5.html
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