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post #91 of 532
1/14/13 at 6:53am
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It is the ethernet cable with the adapter. Obviously, the profile of Evolution Kit is too thin for RJ-45 jack so adapter is needed
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why even have an ethernet jack to begin with? the tv already has one....why another one???....you think the evo kit would automaticaly connect online via all the propriatary connections on the evo kit and existing samsung tvs... prettty lame....having all the extra wiring......not a streamline design....
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post #92 of 532
1/14/13 at 6:57am
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Hi, will be have some picture quality improvements whith the evolution kit ?. there's no sense to have a quad core cpu only to improve the smart hub ( I don´t use it ), I think add more memory was enough ( 4 gb). I wish I would had precision black or local dimming on my ES7000 3d in order to disspear every clouding remainder of my tv. Thanks everybody,

sorry to tell you this, but the evo kit wont be available for your TV....only 7500 and above.... eek.gif
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post #93 of 532
1/14/13 at 7:09am
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I really don't get what everyone is so upset about. A manufacturer actually commits to providing you a hardware/software upgrade path for your TV for up to four years after it's been discontinued -- how is that something to legitimately complain about? Prior to Samsung doing this, the solution was this: "Oh, you have a 2010 model TV and want new hardware and software? Well, you can buy a new TV." Simple as that. At least you have an option. If you don't see value in the kit, then don't buy it! Samsung isn't forcing you to purchase it. Taking issue with the fact that Samsung now gives the consumer an option to upgrade their TV is a bit unreasonable and doesn't really make any sense to me. More manufacturers should do this. I'm sure street pricing will undercut retail, unless Samsung applies UMRP to these.

In any case, anyone in this hobby should realize by now that whether you buy a mid-range or a flagship model TV, once your model is discontinued and replaced by something newer, the manufacturer is not beholden to making software/hardware/functionality improvements for your model. Always baffles me when people get mad that they spent x amount of dollars on a previous year TV and the TV doesn't have this feature or that feature that the current model does. Nobody ever promised you upgrades, and the fact that Samsung is even providing this opportunity, albeit at a cost, is a step in the right direction.

I see where you are coming from, BUT...

these days EVERYTHING is software based...software ALWAYS needs to get updated....its just the nature of the beast....

I'm a software engineer.....trust me....is the best interest of sofware companies to keep updating software for its clients....

What would happen if microsoft stopped updating windows? what if antivirus software stopped updating viruses definitions, what gps companies didn't update their maps...

By your logic we would all be back in the stone age......software by nature needs to be always updating...not forever.... but my 2012 smart TV does not need another effing hardware upgrade, just take care of the software part.....less than a year old...

SAMSUNG HAS AN OVERWHEMILNG OBLIGATION TO US THE CONSUMER.....we are not mad..... the bottom line is that all these types of companies has some kinda of commitmment towards consumers after they purchase their product....

just keeping it real brotha.....
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post #94 of 532
1/14/13 at 7:16am
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Can I ask why I have to buy a piece of hardware to run Samsungs latest software? That be like having to buy a new computer every year to upgrade to the latest software.5.gif

thats a mute point bro....please read the whole thread, you are stating the obvious...we only said what you said like a million times here.....lol


thankx for the input tho brotha.... wink.gif
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post #95 of 532
1/14/13 at 7:46am
The ES7000 In my country Is the ES7500 In The Usa , Sorry, I forgot to tell you. I have the EK output behind my tv like yours. From what I've heard the ES7500-ES8000-ES9000 have the same panel, so I only want the precision black ( ES9000- F7000 or F5000 ? ) in my tv ( to dissapear " clouding " ) . I'll resign whith It. I think that microdimming, precision black, local dimming, cinema black,etc, is a matter of software upgradeable and not part of the hardware. Maybe the EK is still a prototype and we all have to wait intil march to know the whole details of It. If Samsung wants to sell us that advances, there won't be any problem, They just have to tell us how much It will cost since now , but not to make the EK just a trivial trick . Thanks Everybody !
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post #96 of 532
1/14/13 at 7:53am
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The ES7000 In my country Is the ES7500 In The Usa , Sorry, I forgot to tell you. I have the EK output behind my tv like yours. From what I've heard the ES7500-ES8000-ES9000 have the same panel, so I only want the precision black ( ES9000- F7000 or F5000 ? ) in my tv ( to dissapear " clouding " ) . I'll resign whith It. I think that microdimming, precision black, local dimming, cinema black,etc, is a matter of software upgradeable and not part of the hardware. Maybe the EK is still a prototype and we all have to wait intil march to know the whole details of It. If Samsung wants to sell us that advances, there won't be any problem, They just have to tell us how much It will cost since now , but not to make the EK just a trivial trick . Thanks Everybody !

why are you so stuck with the cnema black from the "D" series...Samsung felt that they did a better job with the ES series, thats why they got rid of it....

but why are they bringing it back to the "F" series? who knows...

but the evo kit is not gonna improve picture quality than it already is.....that's not what the evo kit is all about...do not be fooled and be naive.....samsung reps will say anything at these shows to get attention....
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post #97 of 532
1/14/13 at 8:28am
Thanks for asking me EndeaverouX and let me tell you I'm counting the days for your EK review. You as a software Engineer could tell us whith certainty if I'm wrong telling you that microdimming, precision black ,etc , are part of the tv software or not ?. I've refunded a lot of tvs untill now.

ST30 Panasonic plasma ( I suffered Image retention twice !).
ES800 46 " and 55 " ( A lot of clouding around !)
ES7000 or ES7500 55 " ( flashligting on the corner !)
Sony HX855 or HX850 ( ugly picture quality. Since then, I hate CNET, 'cause they gave it 5 stars biggrin.gif )

Presently I've got a new ES7000 ( ES7500) of 55 " and clouding in my tv is to little to bother me when watching in movie mode.

These are my Samsung's blogs In Spanish :

1. http://www.peruhardware.net/foros/showthread.php?t=162179

2. http://www.peruhardware.net/foros/showthread.php?t=148914

And my nick is ppdrako. Thanks everybody !
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post #98 of 532
1/16/13 at 5:59am
Another article, but nothing new


http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1358343240
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post #99 of 532
1/16/13 at 8:29am
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Another article, but nothing new


http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1358343240

thankx for the article, even tho theres nothing new....lol...

the anticipation is killing me...I just wanna get my hand on one to fully review it....

I am not looking forward to unmounting my tv from the wall to put this evo kit in... I have a very very slim profile mounting kit, it looks awesome against the wall...you cant get any closer to the wall with this slim tv and low profile mount....

the only problem is if this effing evo kit will interfere with the wall mount......the freaking evo kit is as thick as the tv itself...you think they would consider the thicknesss....it defeats the entire purpose of a nice low profile slim tv.....

maybe they will have an adapter cable to plug in the back of the tv and just run the evo kit into my entertainment center cabinet....


Edited by EndeaverouX - 1/16/13 at 8:37am
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post #100 of 532
1/16/13 at 8:35am
Ha! I was thinking the same exact thing since my 65" is mounted as well. It looks like if I add this kit to the set, the TV will stick out from it. I think I will just buy one kit for my 60" and leave the other 3 sets I have as is. I can't imagine buying 3 or 4 kits at $300 a pop every year for all my TVs. I could buy a whole TV for that amount of money..lol! I guess there's some room behind there


Edited by Anthony5362 - 1/16/13 at 9:14am
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post #101 of 532
1/16/13 at 10:35am
Hey guys,

I was at CES last week, and asked for a full demo and installation, I even got the Samsung guy to remove it, show it running without the kit, and then show the complete installation and it running. The cable is only needed if you're not using WiFi.

Check it out.

http://www.hdtv-news.com/samsung/evolution-kit-installation/
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post #102 of 532
1/16/13 at 10:39am
Thanks man.. I think what we all really want to know though is does it offer improved picture quality? I've only seen one video where the rep says it does, but almost forgot to say it which makes me wonder. Also, I find it strange that when they announced the kit on stage, they didn't mention anything about improved picture quality. I would think that if it does offer better picture, then that would be the biggest highlight of this kit.
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post #103 of 532
1/16/13 at 10:43am
You're welcome. I'm also not 100% sure. I'll contact my Samsung rep to see if I can get a confirmation. The Samsung guy in my video I linked was talking about enhancing video processing... But I would like more official word also.
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post #104 of 532
1/16/13 at 10:46am
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Hey guys,

I was at CES last week, and asked for a full demo and installation, I even got the Samsung guy to remove it, show it running without the kit, and then show the complete installation and it running. The cable is only needed if you're not using WiFi.

Check it out.

http://www.hdtv-news.com/samsung/evolution-kit-installation/

thankx for the link and the video.. nothing new...neverthelss...thanx anyway...

all that work and engineering and design and planning..yet they still managed to have another cable to plug into the ethernet? thats idiotic and a work of stupidity...

the tv already has an ethernet port....someone screwed up again...lol....
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post #105 of 532
1/16/13 at 11:01am
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You're welcome. I'm also not 100% sure. I'll contact my Samsung rep to see if I can get a confirmation. The Samsung guy in my video I linked was talking about enhancing video processing... But I would like more official word also.

Could you ask if we can enable cinema black back on the ES with the kit?
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post #106 of 532
1/16/13 at 11:02am
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You're welcome. I'm also not 100% sure. I'll contact my Samsung rep to see if I can get a confirmation. The Samsung guy in my video I linked was talking about enhancing video processing... But I would like more official word also.

That would be great if you can get conformation about this. This is one of the big questions that everyone wants to know. Also do you have any idea of how much this kit would be? People have said $500 being the highest and $149 the lowest. I'm sure everyone will appreciate it if you can get confirmation though about if it gives us improved picture quality smile.gif

Another great question mavin..
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post #107 of 532
1/16/13 at 11:15am
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Originally Posted by Mavinwow View Post

Could you ask if we can enable cinema black back on the ES with the kit?

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That would be great if you can get conformation about this. This is one of the big questions that everyone wants to know. Also do you have any idea of how much this kit would be? People have said $500 being the highest and $149 the lowest. I'm sure everyone will appreciate it if you can get confirmation though about if it gives us improved picture quality smile.gif

Another great question mavin..

as an engineer I know this for a fact....

This evo kit box will not by definiton do anything for picture quality nor cinema black....you know why?

here's why...

A. this evo box will be available for multiple LED HDTVs 7500, 8000, 9000 series & 2 high end Plasmas...

B. the 9000 already has the cinema black (microdimming from the 2011 "D" series) so why and how would the evo kit improve it?

C. Hows a little box gonna improve different TVs at the same time, even better, how is it gonna do it for 2 different technologies at once? LED & Plasma

D. and all this for as low as $149? BS...its a pipe dream guys....a freaking samsung bluetooth keyboad for the 2012 tvs is $100...and this magical evokit box that will do all this crap will only be $149? No way in hell......

Im being realistic here guys, sorry to burst all your bubbles.....I think I am being pretty reasonable and objective here with my comments..... cool.gif
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post #108 of 532
1/16/13 at 11:26am
I agree about the price. I was just throwing out there what's been mentioned. My guess is that it will cost $300, but that's just my guess. As far as improved picture goes, I never thought it would, but its still nice to hear confirmation from Samsung about it. Especially since some reps at the show has mentioned it will and they did say at the show last year that when this kit comes out, it will improve the picture. But then again, they do say whatever they need to In order to sell their stuff.
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post #109 of 532
1/16/13 at 11:33am
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I agree about the price. I was just throwing out there what's been mentioned. My guess is that it will cost $300, but that's just my guess. As far as improved picture goes, I never thought it would, but its still nice to hear confirmation from Samsung about it. Especially since some reps at the show has mentioned it will and they did say at the show last year that when this kit comes out, it will improve the picture. But then again, they do say whatever they need to In order to sell their stuff.

as an engineer I laugh and chuckle when I personally attend engineering shows....most reps have no idea what something does engineering wise.... most of them are actors/media PR for that company....

do you know how many times I have asked reps questions at shows and they said what I wanted to hear? if these reps were responsible, they would say: "I dont know the answer to that, let me find out from a higher up and I will get back to you"

But no...they blaintly lie to you in front of your face....Im speaking from experience here.....

do not be fooled......Im keeping it REAL up in this JOINT.....LOL.... wink.gif
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post #110 of 532
1/16/13 at 11:39am
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as an engineer I know this for a fact....

This evo kit box will not by definiton do anything for picture quality nor cinema black....you know why?

here's why...

A. this evo box will be available for multiple LED HDTVs 7500, 8000, 9000 series & 2 high end Plasmas...

B. the 9000 already has the cinema black (microdimming from the 2011 "D" series) so why and how would the evo kit improve it?

C. Hows a little box gonna improve different TVs at the same time, even better, how is it gonna do it for 2 different technologies at once? LED & Plasma

D. and all this for as low as $149? BS...its a pipe dream guys....a freaking samsung bluetooth keyboad for the 2012 tvs is $100...and this magical evokit box that will do all this crap will only be $149? No way in hell......

Im being realistic here guys, sorry to burst all your bubbles.....I think I am being pretty reasonable and objective here with my comments..... cool.gif

It is the fact that the ES9000, with the same panel as the ES8000, has cinema black that is encouraging. For that panel it would be no change, but that the option would appear in the ES8000.
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post #111 of 532
1/16/13 at 11:52am
Hey mavin,
Now that you went from the D to the ES, your really missing that "cinema black" huh? I miss it too and the "Smart LED" feature. I still can't say which one I like better from the two because I haven't seen my D series in a while since I've been at our place on the east coast, but I'm really curious to see when I get back.
Edited by Anthony5362 - 1/16/13 at 11:57am
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1/16/13 at 11:57am
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but that the option would appear in the ES8000.

keep telling yourself that....it might just come true....lol...

look you are entittled to your opinion bro....I tottally respect that...

I am just speaking from an engineer stand point...I have designed microprocessors before....the engineering logic and reasoning here tells me is very unlikely it will bring the "Precision Black Local Dimming" found on the 9000 series to the 8000 or the 7500... how bout the the PNE8000 and PNE7000 plasmas. They are also getting the Evolution kit... How can this one Magic Box bring all these sets to the same standard of "Precision Black Local Dimming". Very Unlikely...

Again I respect and honor your opinion, but as engineer with 20 years experience in the field...I cannot sit here and agree with your reasoning.... its all good... rolleyes.gif
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post #113 of 532
1/16/13 at 12:10pm
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Hey mavin,
Now that you went from the D to the ES, your really missing that "cinema black" huh? I miss it too and the "Smart LED" feature. I still can't say which one I like better from the two because I haven't seen my D series in a while since I've been at our place on the east coast, but I'm really curious to see when I get back.

Definitely am. Of all the gimmick/garbage features, cinema black had a real benefit.
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post #114 of 532
1/16/13 at 12:11pm
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keep telling yourself that....it might just come true....lol...

look you are entittled to your opinion bro....I tottally respect that...

I am just speaking from an engineer stand point...I have designed microprocessors before....the engineering logic and reasoning here tells me is very unlikely it will bring the "Precision Black Local Dimming" found on the 9000 series to the 8000 or the 7500... how bout the the PNE8000 and PNE7000 plasmas. They are also getting the Evolution kit... How can this one Magic Box bring all these sets to the same standard of "Precision Black Local Dimming". Very Unlikely...

Again I respect and honor your opinion, but as engineer with 20 years experience in the field...I cannot sit here and agree with your reasoning.... its all good... rolleyes.gif

The cinema black function uses hardware that the ES7500/ES8000s simply do not have.
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post #115 of 532
1/16/13 at 12:16pm
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keep telling yourself that....it might just come true....lol...

look you are entittled to your opinion bro....I tottally respect that...

I am just speaking from an engineer stand point...I have designed microprocessors before....the engineering logic and reasoning here tells me is very unlikely it will bring the "Precision Black Local Dimming" found on the 9000 series to the 8000 or the 7500... how bout the the PNE8000 and PNE7000 plasmas. They are also getting the Evolution kit... How can this one Magic Box bring all these sets to the same standard of "Precision Black Local Dimming". Very Unlikely...

Again I respect and honor your opinion, but as engineer with 20 years experience in the field...I cannot sit here and agree with your reasoning.... its all good... rolleyes.gif

First of all, the more you learn about Samsung, the more you learn that phrases like "precision black local dimming" might not be as impressive and difficult to implement as they seem. If the ES8000 is capable from a hardware perspective of turning off the LEDs in the corners, and since the D8000, ES9000, and F8000 all are, I am holding out hope that it is simply a firmware toggle that they held out on the ES8000 to try to get people to buy the ES9000. Plasmas use entirely different tech and so that really isnt an argument...

The ES8000 has "more zones" than the ES7500, wtf does that mean? Is that a hardware feature or simply the software breaks up the picture more on the 8000 and again is an artificial limitation?

The point is that no one really knows. If they say that the evolution kit gives all the features of the F8000, which includes cinema black, Id say there is a small chance it may activate it in the older models.
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post #116 of 532
1/16/13 at 12:17pm
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The cinema black function uses hardware that the ES7500/ES8000s simply do not have.

How do you really know that for sure? All cinema black does is turn off select LEDs in the corners, there is no active dimming/brightening involved.
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post #117 of 532
1/16/13 at 12:25pm
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First of all, the more you learn about Samsung, the more you learn that phrases like "precision black local dimming" might not be as impressive and difficult to implement as they seem. If the ES8000 is capable from a hardware perspective of turning off the LEDs in the corners, and since the D8000, ES9000, and F8000 all are, I am holding out hope that it is simply a firmware toggle that they held out on the ES8000 to try to get people to buy the ES9000. Plasmas use entirely different tech and so that really isnt an argument...

The ES8000 has "more zones" than the ES7500, wtf does that mean? Is that a hardware feature or simply the software breaks up the picture more on the 8000 and again is an artificial limitation?

The point is that no one really knows. If they say that the evolution kit gives all the features of the F8000, which includes cinema black, Id say there is a small chance it may activate it in the older models.

That's funny you say that about them holding it back for the ES9000 so they can make more money, cause that's exactly what I was hoping also. I always felt that maybe the ES8000 always had this but when they decided to make the ES9000 and charge $11K they needed something to differientiate the two from so they can ask for more $ and decided to hide it or something and then maybe bring it out with a FW update or the Evo kit?

I don't know this for sure, but I always thought that the "Smart LED" feature was hardware related and the "Cinema black" was software related.
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1/16/13 at 12:40pm
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How do you really know that for sure? All cinema black does is turn off select LEDs in the corners, there is no active dimming/brightening involved.

It has been talked about in several posts in the ES8000 thread (I used to own one). See that thread. Many people say it caused more problems than it was worth which is probably why it was removed all together for the ES series. The "new" cinima black in the F series Tv's is supposed to be an improved version (without the problems the D series suffered from).
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1/16/13 at 12:42pm
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It has been talked about in several posts in the ES8000 thread (I used to own one). See that thread. Many people say it caused more problems than it was worth which is probably why it was removed all together for the ES series. The "new" cinima black in the F series Tv's is supposed to be an improved version (without the problems the D series suffered from).

You are confusing features. Cinema black just turns off the corner LEDs for widescreen formatted movies. The active dimming you are talking about the D8000 did cause some trouble with the "halo effect"
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post #120 of 532
1/16/13 at 12:43pm
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The cinema black function uses hardware that the ES7500/ES8000s simply do not have.

I know that..but people in here are crossing their fingers and hoping being delusional that the evolution kit will bring back the Precision Black Local Dimming (Cinema Black ). NEVER GONNA HAPPEN...

great post bro... wink.gif
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