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post #961 of 1475
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Originally Posted by digimat View Post

The Netflix app through the hub is crap... I would use another source if you can... xbox or Apple TV...

I have used it on the tv and it has seemed improved since the kit. On Netflix I can stream not only "Super HD" 1080p but also 3D seamlessly. Works light years better than my Samsung BD-D6700 bluray player which neither offers Super HD nor 3D for Netflix, and doesn't stream 720p nearly as well anyway

There is no reason why a tv with a quad core should not be equal to or better than many other lesser powered streaming devices
post #962 of 1475
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Originally Posted by digimat View Post

The Netflix app through the hub is crap... I would use another source if you can... xbox or Apple TV...

I can get super hd through my bluray player, Samsung BDe6500.
It is just such a baffling problem...does not make sense.
post #963 of 1475
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Originally Posted by gamermwm View Post

I have used it on the tv and it has seemed improved since the kit. On Netflix I can stream not only "Super HD" 1080p but also 3D seamlessly. Works light years better than my Samsung BD-D6700 bluray player which neither offers Super HD nor 3D for Netflix, and doesn't stream 720p nearly as well anyway

There is no reason why a tv with a quad core should not be equal to or better than many other lesser powered streaming devices

Do you mind telling me how you have your system hooked up? I am running the Samsung BD-E6500 bluray player and STB through my AVR, and out to arc on my tv.
I unhooked the tv from the receiver, along with the other components, and still the tv will not show super hd.
My version of Netflix on the TV is 3.226 and on the bluray is version 3.105.
As mentioned in a couple of posts eariler, I spoke with Netflix, then Samsung and they could not help. I was on the phone with Samsung for 45 minutes, mostly on hold and she never came back to give my an escalation number for a level 2 tech help......mad.gif
I agree with you that the TV should have no problems with handling super hd. I was really hoping that the evo kit would update my capabilities to give me 1080P on Netflix.
post #964 of 1475
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Originally Posted by mickjcat View Post

Do you mind telling me how you have your system hooked up? I am running the Samsung BD-E6500 bluray player and STB through my AVR, and out to arc on my tv.
I unhooked the tv from the receiver, along with the other components, and still the tv will not show super hd.
My version of Netflix on the TV is 3.226 and on the bluray is version 3.105.
As mentioned in a couple of posts eariler, I spoke with Netflix, then Samsung and they could not help. I was on the phone with Samsung for 45 minutes, mostly on hold and she never came back to give my an escalation number for a level 2 tech help......mad.gif
I agree with you that the TV should have no problems with handling super hd. I was really hoping that the evo kit would update my capabilities to give me 1080P on Netflix.

Super HD is nothing more than marketing, it is 1080p but it's highly compressed.... Blue Ray is about 10 times the quality of Netflix... the problem lies with providers and bandwidth limitations.
post #965 of 1475
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Originally Posted by digimat View Post

Super HD is nothing more than marketing, it is 1080p but it's highly compressed.... Blue Ray is about 10 times the quality of Netflix... the problem lies with providers and bandwidth limitations.

Thanks, just wondering why uverse would let my bluray player have the super hd and the tv not let me....I am now going to try and directly connect my 2 wire gateway to my tv and see if that makes a difference...if I can figure out how to do it...smile.gif
post #966 of 1475
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Originally Posted by mickjcat View Post

Do you mind telling me how you have your system hooked up? I am running the Samsung BD-E6500 bluray player and STB through my AVR, and out to arc on my tv.
I unhooked the tv from the receiver, along with the other components, and still the tv will not show super hd.
My version of Netflix on the TV is 3.226 and on the bluray is version 3.105.
As mentioned in a couple of posts eariler, I spoke with Netflix, then Samsung and they could not help. I was on the phone with Samsung for 45 minutes, mostly on hold and she never came back to give my an escalation number for a level 2 tech help......mad.gif
I agree with you that the TV should have no problems with handling super hd. I was really hoping that the evo kit would update my capabilities to give me 1080P on Netflix.

I have an ethernet connection directly to the port on the kit. I run everything through my Denon AVR and out to the Samsung TV's HDMI 2 input. I get Super HD & 3D. The 3D part will depend on your local provider, but you already said your bluray player was able to do Super HD so your tv should as well
post #967 of 1475
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Originally Posted by mickjcat View Post

Thanks, just wondering why uverse would let my bluray player have the super hd and the tv not let me....I am now going to try and directly connect my 2 wire gateway to my tv and see if that makes a difference...if I can figure out how to do it...smile.gif


You may just have to update the app.
post #968 of 1475
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Originally Posted by digimat View Post

You may just have to update the app.

I also checked Vudu and a1080p trailer and it is only streaming 1080i.........I think i am on to something.....not sure what......:-) but narrowing down to something with the smart hub...... ?
I think I will sign out and back in.......no update that I can see.
post #969 of 1475
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Originally Posted by mickjcat View Post

I also checked Vudu and a1080p trailer and it is only streaming 1080i.........I think i am on to something.....not sure what......:-) but narrowing down to something with the smart hub...... ?
I think I will sign out and back in.......no update that I can see.

It sounds like your connection speed. I know you said the blu ray player does and the smart hub doesnt. I used to only have a 6mb/s connection and with the smart hub I couldnt get 1080p on either Amazon or Vudu. Netflix showed that SHD was available but I probably wasnt getting it. With the smarthub netflix there doesnt seem to be a meter which shows the stream quality or I dont know which button to press.
I updated my connection to a 25mb/s and when I did that Vudu and Amazon showed that I was getting a full 1080p. After I installed the Evo kit and maybe it was just a timming thing but anyways after I did I had 3D stuff available on Netflix. The quality of the Netflix, Amazon, amd Vudu look great.
post #970 of 1475
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Originally Posted by darcman View Post

It sounds like your connection speed. I know you said the blu ray player does and the smart hub doesnt. I used to only have a 6mb/s connection and with the smart hub I couldnt get 1080p on either Amazon or Vudu. Netflix showed that SHD was available but I probably wasnt getting it. With the smarthub netflix there doesnt seem to be a meter which shows the stream quality or I dont know which button to press.
I updated my connection to a 25mb/s and when I did that Vudu and Amazon showed that I was getting a full 1080p. After I installed the Evo kit and maybe it was just a timming thing but anyways after I did I had 3D stuff available on Netflix. The quality of the Netflix, Amazon, amd Vudu look great.

I can check my connection speed on both the bluray smart hub and TV smart hub by looking at my receiver....if it doesn't show up on the screen, I can see it on the face of the receiver. I have 12mb speed.
I can't figure out on how to try and use the Ethernet wit my 2 wire gateway......I will call uverse and see if they can help. It has bee a busy day....later.
Thanks for all your help guys!
post #971 of 1475
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Originally Posted by mickjcat View Post

I can get super hd through my bluray player, Samsung BDe6500.
It is just such a baffling problem...does not make sense.

Are you sure you're getting super hd through the bluray? Just because you're set shows the input as 1080p24 doesn't mean it's super HD. even the sd dvds coming from the bluray show up on the es7500 as 1080p24. Try opening https://signup.netflix.com/superhd on a computer and it will tell you wheether your internet service provider is configured for super hd.
post #972 of 1475
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Originally Posted by poppagene View Post

Are you sure you're getting super hd through the bluray? Just because you're set shows the input as 1080p24 doesn't mean it's super HD. even the sd dvds coming from the bluray show up on the es7500 as 1080p24. Try opening https://signup.netflix.com/superhd on a computer and it will tell you wheether your internet service provider is configured for super hd.

My receiver is set up give to Through, and when I check it, it shows input 1080p/24, and output 1080/24 on the bluray. I will check a title on Netflix and see if those numbers change.
I have seen that Att uverse is not a provider of super hd. You may be correct. And my receiver is fooling me...
Thanks for you input!
post #973 of 1475
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Originally Posted by mickjcat View Post

My receiver is set up give to Through, and when I check it, it shows input 1080p/24, and output 1080/24 on the bluray. I will check a title on Netflix and see if those numbers change.
I have seen that Att uverse is not a provider of super hd. You may be correct. And my receiver is fooling me...
Thanks for you input!

So, I did a check of a non super hd, it wasn't even hd movie on the bluray, and it showed 1080P/24 input and output. I think you are sooo right. It filled the whole screen.
Then I went through the TV's smart hub and it showed 1080i/60 input and output, but the screen was at a 4:3 ratio.....very interesting.
Later, when I have more time, I will call att uverse and make sure they are not a part of the super hd system.


Thanks again to everyone who has taken their time to answer me...I love this forum.smile.gif
post #974 of 1475
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Originally Posted by poppagene View Post

Are you sure you're getting super hd through the bluray? Just because you're set shows the input as 1080p24 doesn't mean it's super HD. even the sd dvds coming from the bluray show up on the es7500 as 1080p24. Try opening https://signup.netflix.com/superhd on a computer and it will tell you wheether your internet service provider is configured for super hd.
Does it matter if my Cable One download speed is the standard one or a faster one when it comes to streaming SuperHD content. I must admit I don't know my Cable One speed. I tend to rent bluerays locally and watch them, it's cheaper than streaming and probably looks better.
post #975 of 1475
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Originally Posted by thebignewt View Post

Does it matter if my Cable One download speed is the standard one or a faster one when it comes to streaming SuperHD content. I must admit I don't know my Cable One speed. I tend to rent bluerays locally and watch them, it's cheaper than streaming and probably looks better.

Yes it matters big time. Netflix says you only need a 5 or 6 mb/s connection but really you need more. When I had a 6 mb/s connection I couldnt get 1080p stuff from Vudu or Amazon. I upgraded to 25 mb/s and I was able to get SHD no problem with plenty left over for 3D too. The quality of the streams are pretty dam good.
post #976 of 1475
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Originally Posted by thebignewt View Post

Does it matter if my Cable One download speed is the standard one or a faster one when it comes to streaming SuperHD content. I must admit I don't know my Cable One speed. I tend to rent bluerays locally and watch them, it's cheaper than streaming and probably looks better.

I have CableOne in Oklahoma and they recently upgraded their network here so that they can offer a *up to* 50mbs plan as their new standard plan which is in theory super fast (Compared to the 10mbs fastest offered before). Only problem with that is, as many providers do, they will cut your speed down to nothing during prime time hours. The only time they consistently reach their advertised speed is between the hours of 12-8am. Super HD & even Netflix 3D streams flalessly for me but I also don't attempt it say between 5-9pm bc they will cut your speed down. If you are still on a lesser plan the 50mbs is still the best they offer, so just give them a call and tell them you want to renew your contract and they'll give you a new modem capable of handling it, and sign you to a new contract (which in my case actually saved me money over my previous 10mbps plan)
post #977 of 1475
So I finally picked up a SEK tonight. Honestly,,, I had several reserves about purchasing it. No Cinema Black and no 4th HDMI input. The two features I was really hoping for. But after setting it up and playing around with it I have no regrets. The new smart hub and menus are beautiful. The rotating pages are Very slick. I hope they bring back an updated Angry Birds app. The S-Recomendation works great.

There are some noticeable picture quality enhancements for sure.. The Clear Motion setting is silky smooth now.. Much better processing. The new "Digital Clean View" noise reduction algorithm performs better than the older noise reduction. Especially on streaming content. The picture seems sharper and cleaner. A nice overall improvement.

The installation of the SEK seems to have an impact on my custom White Balance settings. I had to make some minor adjustments, no big deal. In other picture settings with the White Balance left uncalibrated at its default values of all 25's appear to be better now. As for Black Level. I have learned, by bringing up the main Menu, then going to System, Eco Solution, and setting Energy Savings to "Low" has giving me very Black Letterbox Bars in Standard Picture Mode. Eco Sensor and Motion Lighting are both set to Off.

What concerns me is how hot the quad core chipset gets. It is quite hot to the touch. I'm sure Samsung has thoroughly tested it and rated it for a certain operational temperature. I hope this will not be an issue down the road.

The remote is slick and it lights up a cool white. I thought the battery cover was kinda a pita to open. It controls my comcast box. As soon as it synced up to the wireless hub it populated still previews of comcast channels. The onscreen comcast cable guide was also a nice surprise and easy to navigate.

All in all, So far a good experience.. The picture quality is better for sure. A worthwhile purchase. It added alot more than I thought it would. I picked mine up at Best Buy for $178.99 on a price match. smile.gif
Edited by badabing - 7/13/13 at 5:54pm
post #978 of 1475
I bought the Evo kit and am waiting for it to arrive. I use a Harmony 900 to control the TV and a comcast box (which is behind a door - the 900 uses IR to control the box) - I read that you're using the Evo remote to control the comcast box - are you able to program all of the box functions (DVR, etc.) with the Evo remote?
Looking forward to setting it up!
Thanks!
post #979 of 1475
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Originally Posted by iang153 View Post

I bought the Evo kit and am waiting for it to arrive. I use a Harmony 900 to control the TV and a comcast box (which is behind a door - the 900 uses IR to control the box) - I read that you're using the Evo remote to control the comcast box - are you able to program all of the box functions (DVR, etc.) with the Evo remote?
Looking forward to setting it up!
Thanks!

Hi, I have not played around with it much... There are more features than I expected... The remote control won't control the cable box by itself.. You need to use the black little blaster hub (whatever it's called) that came with the TV to convey the signal to the cable box. I still use the standard remote as it works fine. What was a really cool surprise to me with the new touchpad remote, was that if your Comcast box is the hard drive recording one. Then you can scroll live TV forwards and backwards with the lower portion of the new remotes mouse pad. I haven't dug into it any further than that. You will absolutely luv it. It's like you just bought a new TV. smile.gif
post #980 of 1475
Any es7500 calibrated after they installed the EK? I'm having mixed results with the same settings I had previous to the upgrade. Also can anyone confirm if movie mode is now using micro dimming? Seems to me like there is little difference between standard and movie now.
Edited by digimat - 7/13/13 at 12:33pm
post #981 of 1475
I can switch to game mode, which makes the image a bit "flatter" and less vibrant but no lag at all. Would like to see if this will solve my woes finally or no and I would like that everything is In one spot I got a Panasonic 9cfbY blu-ray player for the amazon streaming app but now my PN60E8000 has that app. So it's very appealing for me to have all the app's in one unit.smile.gif
post #982 of 1475
that's helpful, thanks - yes, our comcast box has the dvr built in, so I'll play around with using the samsung blaster controlled by the evo remote.
Thanks again!
post #983 of 1475
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

So I finally picked up a SEK tonight. Honestly,,, I had several reserves about purchasing it. No Cinema Black and no 4th HDMI input. The two features I was really hoping for. But after setting it up and playing around with it I have no regrets. The new smart hub and menus are beautiful. The rotating pages are Very slick. I hope they bring back an updated Angry Birds app. The S-Recomendation works great.

There are some noticeable picture quality enhancements for sure.. The Clear Motion setting is silky smooth now.. Much better processing. The new "Digital Clean View" noise reduction algorithm performs better than the older noise reduction. Especially on streaming content. The picture seems sharper and cleaner. A nice overall improvement.

The installation of the SEK seems to have an impact on my custom White Balance settings. I had to make some minor adjustments, no big deal. In other picture settings with the White Balance left uncalibrated at its default values of all 25's appear to be better now. As for Black Level. I have learned, by bringing up the main Menu, then going to System, Eco Solution, and setting Energy Savings to "Low" has giving me very Black Letterbox Bars in Standard Picture Mode. Eco Sensor and Motion Lighting are both set to Off.

What concerns me is how hot the quad core chipset gets. It is quite hot to the touch. I'm sure Samsung has thoroughly tested it and rated it for a certain operational temperature. I hope this will not be an issue down the road.

The remote is slick and it lights up a cool white. I thought the battery cover was kinda a pita to open. It controls my comcast box. As soon as it synced up to the wireless hub it populated still previews of comcast channels. The onscreen comcast cable guide was also a nice surprise and easy to navigate.

All in all, So far a good experience.. The picture quality is better for sure. A worthwhile purchase. It added alot more than I thought it would. I picked mine up at Best Buy for $178.99 on a price match. smile.gif

Thanks for the info on your new evo kit... I have been playing around with my new evo kit and wondered about the "clear motion setting", and the "digital clean view". What do you have these set on?
Thanks for any input smile.gif
post #984 of 1475
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Originally Posted by mickjcat View Post

Thanks for the info on your new evo kit... I have been playing around with my new evo kit and wondered about the "clear motion setting", and the "digital clean view". What do you have these set on?
Thanks for any input smile.gif

I leave Clear Motion set to on now.. Before the SEK update it was awkward and jerky on fast pans but now everything is silky smooth. The Clear Motion setting will allow for clean and fast camera pans,,, And if watching a News Channel.. It will smooth the flow of the stock ticker at the bottom of the screen so that the fast moving words are not blury.. That's the best way to see Clear Motion in action.. Try turning Clear Motion On/Off during the stock market ticker and you'll see a difference. The Quad core and updated graphic chip in the SEK have more processing power and there obviousley taking advantage of it.

As for the Digital Clean NR... That setting is to your liking.. The A/V purist will want all NR set to off.. But If your a casual catv or satellite watcher I would leave it set to Auto and let it do its thing automatically. Its purpose is to cleans up video grain and noise as it detects it. I have mine set to Auto and Sharpness at 20. But everyone will tell you something different. Some people swear by Sharpness all the way down to zero. Just set it to what ever setting looks good to you, as its your TV and your the one watching it.

I hope someone here that has the proper calibration equiptment will purchase a SEK and post up a new calibration.. Until then, I would change all custom White Balance settings back to there default of 25. I hope this helps. smile.gif

*BTW.... I have SEK firmware version 1005.. If someone comes across a newer version please post it. Tnx.
Edited by badabing - 7/14/13 at 4:53pm
post #985 of 1475
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

I leave Clear Motion set to on now.. Before the SEK update it was awkward and jerky on fast pans but now everything is silky smooth. The Clear Motion setting will allow for clean and fast camera pans,,, And if watching a News Channel.. It will smooth the flow of the stock ticker at the bottom of the screen so that the fast moving words are not blury.. That's the best way to see Clear Motion in action.. Try turning Clear Motion On/Off during the stock market ticker and you'll see a difference. The Quad core and updated graphic chip in the SEK have more processing power and there obviousley taking advantage of it.

As for the Digital Clean NR... That setting is to your liking.. The A/V purist will want all NR set to off.. But If your a casual catv or satellite watcher I would leave it set to Auto and let it do its thing automatically. Its purpose is to cleans up video grain and noise as it detects it. I have mine set to Auto and Sharpness at 20. But everyone will tell you something different. Some people swear by Sharpness all the way down to zero. Just set it to what ever setting looks good to you, as its your TV and your the one watching it.

I hope someone here that has the proper calibration equiptment will purchase a SEK and post up a new calibration.. Until then, I would change all custom White Balance settings back to there default of 25. I hope this helps. smile.gif

*BTW.... I have SEK firmware version 1005.. If someone comes across a newer version please post it. Tnx.

Thanks Badabing! I will give those settings a try...:-)
And yes, I agree totally, if someone has done new settings with the evo kit, please think about sharing it with us. wink.gif
post #986 of 1475
Hey guys I have a couple of questions, for 2013 F series TVs the IR blaster was replaced with a small wired universal remote thing that has to be in 2 inches in front of the device to control? What happens after the EK upgrade? Does The IR blaster still works with the new remote to control TV, BD and STB?
If so, whats the deal with the 2013 TVS? They do not have the IR blaster so they can control just one extra device instead of STB, BD and TV like with the old remote?

Does the both hands gesture recognition is enabled with the EK upgrade? Or it is just something the new TVs can do with the upgraded camera?
post #987 of 1475
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Originally Posted by feralc View Post

Hey guys I have a couple of questions, for 2013 F series TVs the IR blaster was replaced with a small wired universal remote thing that has to be in 2 inches in front of the device to control? What happens after the EK upgrade?

You'll have to wait til next year to find out the answer to that.. This years 2013 SEK is only for the 2012 ES series that support it. It offers the 2013 Smart Hub menus plus other features of the current 2013 F series. This kit is not for a 2013 F series. I am not even sure it would install if tried. And even if it did there would be no changes to a F series. It may even mess it up. Next years 2014 SEK "should" be for both unless Samsung does separate kits.
Edited by badabing - 7/15/13 at 7:06am
post #988 of 1475
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

You'll have to wait til next year to find out the answer to that.. This years 2013 SEK is only for the 2012 ES series that support it. It offers the 2013 Smart Hub menus plus other features of the current 2013 F series. This kit is not for a 2013 F series. I am not even sure it would install if tried. And even if it did there would be no changes to a F series. It may even mess it up. Next years 2014 SEK "should" be for both unless Samsung does separate kits.

my question is for ES models, if you install the EK in the ES do you still use the old IR blaster with it? And able to control 3 devices with it? Even though the newer F series do not have the IR blaster but the small wired universal remote thing?

on a side note, I am curious if F series owners (no EK obviously) can't control more than one device with the little wired thing, if they can't and ES owners can still use the old IR blaster with the new remote, then the ES with EK ended up better than the F (at least in that issue)
post #989 of 1475
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Originally Posted by feralc View Post

my question is for ES models, if you install the EK in the ES do you still use the old IR blaster with it? And able to control 3 devices with it? Even though the newer F series do not have the IR blaster but the small wired universal remote thing?

Yes, if you want to be able to control and display Comcast cable box preview channels. I'm sure it's the same for a Verizon FIOS box as well. There both Motorola boxes.

FYI... I turned off the ir blaster and immediately lost cable box control.
post #990 of 1475
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

Yes, if you want to be able to control and display Comcast cable box preview channels. I'm sure it's the same for a Verizon FIOS box as well. There both Motorola boxes.

FYI... I turned off the ir blaster and immediately lost cable box control.
Ok so the new remote works with the old IR balasteras, perfect, but why Samsung stop offering the IR blaster with the newer F models? And instead a little wired thing , I am sure it will have less interference but you can't control more than one device and it is hassle to wired an extra cable inside a wall or example (if you want a clean installation)
instead of offering this, Samsung must have been upgraded the IR blaster or keep offering it.
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