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post #1141 of 3645
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Originally Posted by JSteel View Post

I think that guy from Magnolia is correct in saying those prices, but they are MSRP prices. These TV's are being priced as they were last year it seems and I can bet that those prices are $500 off on each one. $3299 for the 60" and $3799 for the 65".

3800 and 4300 were the ES8000 prices prior to price reductions midway through the product cycle. The information dad 0118 passed along is correct most likely barring any special sales
post #1142 of 3645
I returned an ES7100 and bought a floor model Pne8000 plasma got till march 18th to return it should i pull the trigger on this on the F8000? Im thinking about getting the 55in but worried that ill get flashlighting clouding etc... that i got from the es7100
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For those who have seen this set in person how does it compare to the sony hx950, is it a win win with getting either one, or is one superior to the other just off first hand viewing.
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any news on the F7500?
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

3800 and 4300 were the ES8000 prices prior to price reductions midway through the product cycle. The information dad 0118 passed along is correct most likely barring any special sales

Ok, I did not realize that they were that high on initial release. Hopefully with some price matching, it can get close to the lower numbers I mentioned. I am not looking to get this model until about August time frame, so hopefully the prices and deals will be at full swing before the NFL season kicks off.
post #1146 of 3645
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Originally Posted by cdjocp View Post

For those who have seen this set in person how does it compare to the sony hx950, is it a win win with getting either one, or is one superior to the other just off first hand viewing.

One is full array with local dimming, the other is edge lit. The F8000 with its micro dimming and precision black will greatly reduce and minimize flashlighting and clouding. The HX950 has no flashlighting or clouding. It's blacks are the best of any current tv available including plasmas. Unfortunately, the cost of making full array with local dimming is why the HX950 is most likely the last one of its kind with the Elite already finished. The 55F8000 is $2700. The 55HX950 is 3200. Both are the flagship models. Should be fine with either one.

One caveat.... if your cable or satellite feed is poor, than the HX950 will make it look even worse as it exposes every flaw in the feed.
Edited by cmay91472 - 3/12/13 at 12:47pm
post #1147 of 3645
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Originally Posted by JSteel View Post

Ok, I did not realize that they were that high on initial release. Hopefully with some price matching, it can get close to the lower numbers I mentioned. I am not looking to get this model until about August time frame, so hopefully the prices and deals will be at full swing before the NFL season kicks off.

I remember the 65ES8000 in January of 2013 was still priced at $3,800. Once it hit February, the price really started to come down and it is now rock bottom at only $2,700.
post #1148 of 3645
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

One is full array with local dimming, the other is edge lit. The F8000 with its micro dimming and precision black will greatly reduce and minimize flashlighting and clouding. The HX950 has no flashlighting or clouding. It's blacks are the best of any current tv available including plasmas. Unfortunately, the cost of making full array with local dimming is why the HX950 is most likely the last one of its kind with the Elite already finished. The 55F8000 is $2700. The 55HX950 is 3200. Both are the flagship models. Should be fine with either one.

One caveat.... if your cable or satellite feed is poor, than the HX950 will make it look even worse as it exposes every flaw in the feed.

I'm more curious how it compares to the HX850. The UK review did say it bested it, but I'm eager to hear opinions from people here who have seen it in person.
post #1149 of 3645
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

I remember the 65ES8000 in January of 2013 was still priced at $3,800. Once it hit February, the price really started to come down and it is now rock bottom at only $2,700.

Also 65ES8000 is now the #14 in Amazon's TV sales rank. It's the only TV that is above $2K in the top 20. I think we have a strong economy.
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

One is full array with local dimming, the other is edge lit. The F8000 with its micro dimming and precision black will greatly reduce and minimize flashlighting and clouding. The HX950 has no flashlighting or clouding. It's blacks are the best of any current tv available including plasmas. Unfortunately, the cost of making full array with local dimming is why the HX950 is most likely the last one of its kind with the Elite already finished. The 55F8000 is $2700. The 55HX950 is 3200. Both are the flagship models. Should be fine with either one.

One caveat.... if your cable or satellite feed is poor, than the HX950 will make it look even worse as it exposes every flaw in the feed.

Bold claim. Seeing as someone not long posted of their clouding. wink.gif
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So I caved - I wanted to wait for the 65 inch tv but ended up getting the 55 inch from BBY - I got BBY to match Greystone Appliances who have it listed at $2399.00 and got them to offer me the difference as a BBY Giftcard (I'm planning to buy the Asus TX300CA from BBY anyway so it all works out)
I got the price match after talking to a nice lady at 1888-bestbuy - anytime I attempted anything like this in store it's ended up being a waste of time. Anyone trying to pull the trigger might want to try this before they put a stop to it. I got email confirming my order at $2699.99 and then another email about the shipping of my giftcard for the difference. This is YMMV so good luck!
post #1152 of 3645
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Originally Posted by HaRd2BeAr View Post

Bold claim. Seeing as someone not long posted of their clouding. wink.gif

Guess I missed it then. cool.gif I'll re-word... Has no clouding or flashlighting unless one gets a lemon.
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Originally Posted by TristianX View Post

So I caved - I wanted to wait for the 65 inch tv but ended up getting the 55 inch from BBY - I got BBY to match Greystone Appliances who have it listed at $2399.00 and got them to offer me the difference as a BBY Giftcard (I'm planning to buy the Asus TX300CA from BBY anyway so it all works out)
I got the price match after talking to a nice lady at 1888-bestbuy - anytime I attempted anything like this in store it's ended up being a waste of time. Anyone trying to pull the trigger might want to try this before they put a stop to it. I got email confirming my order at $2699.99 and then another email about the shipping of my giftcard for the difference. This is YMMV so good luck!

That is a good deal considering it just launched. Congrats!
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I am hoping the 60F8000, as well as the bigger screens don't suffer from the uniformity issues of last year. Will not know tis until someone has one, but I can be patient. My 55D8000 is doing fine right now. I still have to see the 60F8000 in person first before I can make a decision and hopefully the price is right when I am ready to jump. I just came back from BB Magnolia in Lynnwood, WA and they did not have any displayed yet. I can tell they are getting ready though as only a week ago the TV's were arranged differently. BB has slashed the heck out those ES8000 prices. They were selling an opened Item 60ES8000 for $2098. The newer one was $2200. If I did not have D8000, I would jump on that, but I do not like the camera, in the bezel as well as the bezel itself on the 60". There is not much picture difference can see from the D8000 to the ES8000. I am starting to think this BB is lazy as they were suppose to have the 84" 4K TV on display, but never seen it out, unless I missed it, but when I asked, they had no idea what the date was they were getting it in and that was last month. Oh well, guess I am just going to have to wait till the end of the month to see the F8000 here. The F8000 is going to be where it is at for PQ improvements it seems, and the retractable camera is a major bonus!!
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Originally Posted by JSteel View Post

they were suppose to have the 84" 4K TV on display, but never seen it out, unless I missed it

I don't think you would have:)

They had that on display as well at my local BB, such a sweet TV.
post #1156 of 3645
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Originally Posted by JSteel View Post

I am hoping the 60F8000, as well as the bigger screens don't suffer from the uniformity issues of last year. Will not know tis until someone has one, but I can be patient. My 55D8000 is doing fine right now. I still have to see the 60F8000 in person first before I can make a decision and hopefully the price is right when I am ready to jump. I just came back from BB Magnolia in Lynnwood, WA and they did not have any displayed yet. I can tell they are getting ready though as only a week ago the TV's were arranged differently. BB has slashed the heck out those ES8000 prices. They were selling an opened Item 60ES8000 for $2098. The newer one was $2200. If I did not have D8000, I would jump on that, but I do not like the camera, in the bezel as well as the bezel itself on the 60". There is not much picture difference can see from the D8000 to the ES8000. I am starting to think this BB is lazy as they were suppose to have the 84" 4K TV on display, but never seen it out, unless I missed it, but when I asked, they had no idea what the date was they were getting it in and that was last month. Oh well, guess I am just going to have to wait till the end of the month to see the F8000 here. The F8000 is going to be where it is at for PQ improvements it seems, and the retractable camera is a major bonus!!

The 60ES8000 had far less uniformity issues than the 65ES8000. Most of the issues stemmed from the dreaded "V" flashlighting that should be resolved with the re- inclusion of the cinema black in the F8000. I'll be interested to see if the 3D on the 60 will be equal to the 3D on the 55 and 65 as the 60ES8000 was woefully inferior due to the Sharp panel used instead of the Samsung panels in the 55 and 65.
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

The 60ES8000 had far less uniformity issues than the 65ES8000. Most of the issues stemmed from the dreaded "V" flashlighting that should be resolved with the re- inclusion of the cinema black in the F8000. I'll be interested to see if the 3D on the 60 will be equal to the 3D on the 55 and 65 as the 60ES8000 was woefully inferior due to the Sharp panel used instead of the Samsung panels in the 55 and 65.

And that Sharp panel was the reason why I did not jump on the 60" ES8000 knowing that.
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Originally Posted by dad0118 View Post

Just checked out the 55F8000 on display in Dallas, TX store. They actually had two set-up, one on wall and one in a Magnolia room.

Overall - PQ looks killer. They had a UN60ES8000 in the room and the PQ looks much better on the 2013 set. Main improvements in corner light bleed (wasn't noticeable on the F8000 to my eye and on the 60" ES8000 it was noticeable and comparablle to the unit I myself had purchased/returned) nor was there any clouding. Blacks were good and the cinema black feature on the Dark Knight Rises made the cinematic experience much better; the lighted black bars on the ES8000 drove me insane and was the #1 reason I returned the set. Off angle viewing also appears to be improved by about 15 degrees or so each way, but obviously not close as good as plasma.

Didn't mess with the smart hub stuff/3D at all. Doesn't matter to me.

The magnolia mgr. took my info and will be calling me when the 65" comes in, but no ETA. He stated (not sure what based on) that the 60" would be ~$3700 and the 65" would be ~$4300.



Not the best picture to judge by (angle, lighting, etc.), but the banding doesn't look too bad, and that is a pretty good image to be able to pick it out on (grayish background).

Hope to see better uniformity on the F8000 series 60" and 65" compared to the ES8000. Any slight improvement and I am on board.

I currently have the UNES658000 that is due for a return to Amazon, trying to figure out how to bridge the gap between now and when the UN65F8000 comes out in April?May? (hopefully sooner).

Any ideas on how to accomplish that would be appreciated...(barring comments to go to a Rent-A-Center...)
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by parodielin View Post

Also 65ES8000 is now the #14 in Amazon's TV sales rank. It's the only TV that is above $2K in the top 20. I think we have a strong economy.

I think people who buy TVs on Amazon may not be the best indicator of that. smile.gif

But the economy is much improved, which is a good thing.
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Guess I missed it then. cool.gif I'll re-word... Has no clouding or flashlighting unless one gets a lemon.

Touche wink.gif
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Saw the 55" F8000 at Best Buy on the wall, but not Magnolia. I wasn't impressed with the motion performance, but will wait for them to set one up in Magnolia. The wall displays generally run coaxial input, so once set up with HD signal (Blu-ray) should remedy some of motion trailing I noticed on the wall. The cinema black feature is intriguing for sure and improved micro dimming should be great.
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Originally Posted by cdjocp View Post

For those who have seen this set in person how does it compare to the sony hx950, is it a win win with getting either one, or is one superior to the other just off first hand viewing.

The first one I saw at BB left me with the feeling that the 950 was definitely better. On my business trip yesterday, I saw a second F8000 and was much more impressed. I got to play more with the remote, took my time and came away thinking that it was no longer a 'slam dunk' for the 950.

At this point I'd really need to see them side by side. I couldn't detect any PQ anomalies with the 2nd F8000 and I certainly tried. It's a very impressive display!
post #1163 of 3645
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

The 60ES8000 had far less uniformity issues than the 65ES8000. Most of the issues stemmed from the dreaded "V" flashlighting that should be resolved with the re- inclusion of the cinema black in the F8000. I'll be interested to see if the 3D on the 60 will be equal to the 3D on the 55 and 65 as the 60ES8000 was woefully inferior due to the Sharp panel used instead of the Samsung panels in the 55 and 65.

What is "V" flashlighting?
post #1164 of 3645
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

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Originally Posted by HaRd2BeAr View Post

Bold claim. Seeing as someone not long posted of their clouding. wink.gif

Guess I missed it then. cool.gif I'll re-word... Has no clouding or flashlighting unless one gets a lemon.


HaRd2BeAr was just poking fun at you cmay but you are pretty much on point when you say the HX950 more then likely is going to be the last of its kind and Sharp pulling the plug on its Elite line of tv's. I will say this though and I cant believe I am because of my loathing for Samsung and thats that the F8000 looks to be really nice.
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Originally Posted by sony1717 View Post

Not the best picture to judge by (angle, lighting, etc.), but the banding doesn't look too bad, and that is a pretty good image to be able to pick it out on (grayish background).

Hope to see better uniformity on the F8000 series 60" and 65" compared to the ES8000. Any slight improvement and I am on board.

I currently have the UNES658000 that is due for a return to Amazon, trying to figure out how to bridge the gap between now and when the UN65F8000 comes out in April?May? (hopefully sooner).

Any ideas on how to accomplish that would be appreciated...(barring comments to go to a Rent-A-Center...)

Oh, Sony1717 my friend, that Rent-a-Center shank cut me deep.

Hey, I don't go around touting RAC. I'd rather not even consider it. But in my case, I'll have a gap of a few weeks to a month. I'm not switching my own TVs around my house. I'd much rather rent something to fill a gap in the meantime. But I understand your reluctance.

Good luck with your space and dilemma.
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I was re-reading the AV Forums review. The .04 black level is great, but I noticed that on the ES8000 review they measured the black level (.05) with micro dimming disabled and said the black level would be lower with it turned on, at the expense of shadow detail. The F8000 review did not say weather they had this feature on or not. Assuming they did this review like the ES8000, what do you think the black level would be with micro dimming turned on?
post #1167 of 3645
In one of the reviews they mentioned that the camera could get in the way of an accessory such as a Wii IR receiver. This is something I hadn't even thought about. I definitely like how the camera hides away when not in use, though.
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

The first one I saw at BB left me with the feeling that the 950 was definitely better. On my business trip yesterday, I saw a second F8000 and was much more impressed. I got to play more with the remote, took my time and came away thinking that it was no longer a 'slam dunk' for the 950.

At this point I'd really need to see them side by side. I couldn't detect any PQ anomalies with the 2nd F8000 and I certainly tried. It's a very impressive display!
Thanks Ken its just hard to stray away from full array my current set is full array and its time to upgrade and all the things i hear about edge lit tv's just has me up in the air. Hope when the 65f8000 comes out it can hold its own with the sony65 I would rather spend 4k than 5k anyday
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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

My computer crashed and it was down for a week. I finally got it going to discover Robert Zohn had put up a pre-review post.

...-Robert

Jim, where was this posted? I didn't see it on the VE website. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by flyboy2160 View Post

Jim, where was this posted? I didn't see it on the VE website. Thanks.



This is the location:

http://un65f8000.com/Samsung_UN65F8000.php
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