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post #121 of 3654
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Originally Posted by dad0118 View Post

FYI in regards to the F8500 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DH0kAr-XNkE#! . Listen at the :57 and at 1:37. Looks like buzzing has not been fixed and will continue to plague certain units.

Guess its up to the F8000 to steer me away from my VT50.

too funny....some people on here must really be deaf in certain frequencies. as soon as i saw this video i heard it right away the wonderful samsung pdp buzz that all started back with the b series.such a shame.....
post #122 of 3654
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Originally Posted by rogo 

That's really a myth/misnomer.

Edge lit allows for "zone dimming", not local dimming. The zones are 1/2 the screen width and as tall as the number of zones designed in. It's really a marketing fib to call it "local dimming" except if one uses a broad definition of local.
I would prefer it if they - CNET, HD Guru etc... - would just call it ''side dimming'' or ''edge-lit dimming''.
post #123 of 3654
Samsung's 2013 LED lineup list with features and specs (amazing store and people)

http://un65f8000.com/uploads/Samsug_2013_LED_Product_Guide.pdf

Looks like their will be a few models in 75"

2013 Plasma lineup

http://pn64f8500.com/uploads/Samsug_2013_PDP_Product_Guidea.pdf

More pics and info on the F8500

http://pn64f8500.com/

You can also check out their Face Book page for more info.
Edited by Anthony5362 - 1/18/13 at 8:30am
post #124 of 3654
It would have been very nice to see a 75" PDP in there.
post #125 of 3654
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Originally Posted by jbug View Post

It would have been very nice to see a 75" PDP in there.

Yes! That would be amazing to have a 75" Plasma. Especially a ZT60 or even the F8500 so long as it doesn't buzz..
post #126 of 3654
Sony has offered to buy back my 55Hx929 for $2300.00. I just havent been happy with it. Do you guys think I should accept this offer and hold out for the new sets? Opinions from anyone who attended CES? I paid 2499 at the end of 2011.
post #127 of 3654
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Originally Posted by mattoc59 
Sony has offered to buy back my 55Hx929 for $2300.00. I just havent been happy with it. Do you guys think I should accept this offer and hold out for the new sets? Opinions from anyone who attended CES? I paid 2499 at the end of 2011.
You should keep in mind that the 2011 Sharp Elite Pro and the 2012 Sony HX950 (which is very close in PQ to the HX929) will be the best 1080p LEDs on the market this year. Manufacturers are focusing on OLED and 4K. If you want a upgrade you should check out this years 1080p Plasma's.
post #128 of 3654
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post

You should keep in mind that the 2011 Sharp Elite Pro and the 2012 Sony HX950 (which is very close in PQ to the HX929) will be the best 1080p LEDs on the market this year. Manufacturers are focusing on OLED and 4K. If you want a upgrade you should check out this years 1080p Plasma's.

Then there's always these smaller more "Supposedly" affordable 4K Sonys coming this year

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1357669355
Edited by Anthony5362 - 1/23/13 at 8:45am
post #129 of 3654
Some more feedback from others that saw these 2013 TVs at CES

http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/The-Three-Best-Looking-TVs-at-CES-2013.shtml
post #130 of 3654
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Sony has offered to buy back my 55Hx929 for $2300.00. I just havent been happy with it. Do you guys think I should accept this offer and hold out for the new sets? Opinions from anyone who attended CES? I paid 2499 at the end of 2011.

If you're not happy with it, then selling it back for what amounts to an 8% restocking fee over a year later is a great deal that I would jump all over. The other half of the problem I can't help with. How long is Sony's offer good till? Will you have to go without a tv for 3 months, or do you have a backup tv?

Personally, I had purchased a UN60ES8000 on ebay in early December, but the transaction went bad. By the time I got my money refunded, the F8000 was announced, so I'm trying to hold off for the release date. Just hope my current tv doesn't go out on me before then.
post #131 of 3654
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Originally Posted by grhopper View Post

If you're not happy with it, then selling it back for what amounts to an 8% restocking fee over a year later is a great deal that I would jump all over. The other half of the problem I can't help with. How long is Sony's offer good till? Will you have to go without a tv for 3 months, or do you have a backup tv?

Personally, I had purchased a UN60ES8000 on ebay in early December, but the transaction went bad. By the time I got my money refunded, the F8000 was announced, so I'm trying to hold off for the release date. Just hope my current tv doesn't go out on me before then.

Yea I Think I'm going to accept the buy back. I really want to love this TV but its so finicky with what its being fed. I have a Samsung LN46A750 that i could move into the living room for the time being. It sucks having to wait. I could probably hang onto the Sony and sell it privately closer to when the new sets come out but I would assume it would command considerably less price wise.
post #132 of 3654
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Originally Posted by mattoc59 View Post

Yea I Think I'm going to accept the buy back. I really want to love this TV but its so finicky with what its being fed. I have a Samsung LN46A750 that i could move into the living room for the time being. It sucks having to wait. I could probably hang onto the Sony and sell it privately closer to when the new sets come out but I would assume it would command considerably less price wise.

I think that's amazing that Sony is offering you this. Did you have to fight to get this offer?
post #133 of 3654
Why not just get a e6500 plasma,its samsungs 3rd best plasma and it destroys all of samsungs leds combine for half the price
post #134 of 3654
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Originally Posted by Cev214 View Post

Why not just get a e6500 plasma,its samsungs 3rd best plasma and it destroys all of samsungs leds combine for half the price

Um, maybe the poor whites, line bleed, plasma dithering, buzzing, plasma flicker........ ?

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post #135 of 3654
A lot of the information out there makes the F8000 sound like the ES8000 with just a few changes - mainly to the SmartHub features and some hardware/software changes around dimming.

The majority of complaints (including my own) on the ES8000 (especially the 65") have been vertical banding. I don't see anything in the releases that say this will be addressed.

To me it looks like it could even be the exact same panels used in the 2012 ES8000 series - change the stand, put a better processor in it, change/add a little of the LED lighting hardware/software and remarket as the F8000.

Hope I am wrong because I am not totally satisfied with my UN65ES8000 (the 3rd one I've traded now) that has some vertical banding issues, but at the same time I am reluctant to hold out hope that the F8000 will solve all of these issues since some of them (banding) are inherent to the technology itself...

Any thoughts on potential price for the 65" F8000 and release dates?
post #136 of 3654
I wish I returned my 65" when I had the chance now because I always notice the banding and its even worse when others see it and ask me what it is. I'm starting to think that the new F8000 is pretty much the same also. I think the only TV that's going to see a major Improvement from their 2012 lineup is the F8500. From what I've Been hearing, its as bright as the LED
post #137 of 3654
I think I remember reading somewhere that the banding issues are fixed or improved. I've also wondered how much the evolution kit will be, and if it would be cheaper to buy the ES8000 now and get the evolution kit in a couple of months.
post #138 of 3654
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Originally Posted by grhopper View Post

I think I remember reading somewhere that the banding issues are fixed or improved. I've also wondered how much the evolution kit will be, and if it would be cheaper to buy the ES8000 now and get the evolution kit in a couple of months.

Trust me.... If Ssmsung was able to make a 65 inch panel that does not have vertical banding, they would be promoting the hell out of it as pretty much every manufacturers 65 panels suffer from banding to some degree. The 65F8000, like the ES8000 and the D8000 before that will have vertical banding. What they may have done is increase quality control so the banding is not as noticeable as the "in your face" banding on the 65ES8000.... But a even highly doubt that. Samsung is too concerned with making a tv that you can talk and wave to instead of making a tv that has a defect free image.
post #139 of 3654
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Trust me.... If Ssmsung was able to make a 65 inch panel that does not have vertical banding, they would be promoting the hell out of it as pretty much every manufacturers 65 panels suffer from banding to some degree. The 65F8000, like the ES8000 and the D8000 before that will have vertical banding. What they may have done is increase quality control so the banding is not as noticeable as the "in your face" banding on the 65ES8000.... But a even highly doubt that. Samsung is too concerned with making a tv that you can talk and wave to instead of making a tv that has a defect free image.

Sad, but very true
post #140 of 3654
I read a few reports that Samsung had a private showing of the F8000 to show the PQ improvements and the lack of clouding. Was anyone here at that private showing? Last years CES had a few good LED TV's I was interested in (ES8000 and LG LM9600) but both of those TV's did not live up to their hype. The ES8000 has clouding and banding issues and the LG LM9600 (full array LED) had only 24 dimming zones and it's blacks were too grey (even with dimming turned on). This year the F8000 seems like the only good LED.
post #141 of 3654
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Originally Posted by eclipsegt View Post

I read a few reports that Samsung had a private showing of the F8000 to show the PQ improvements and the lack of clouding. Was anyone here at that private showing? Last years CES had a few good LED TV's I was interested in (ES8000 and LG LM9600) but both of those TV's did not live up to their hype. The ES8000 has clouding and banding issues and the LG LM9600 (full array LED) had only 24 dimming zones and it's blacks were too grey (even with dimming turned on). This year the F8000 seems like the only good LED.

I believe Rogo was.
post #142 of 3654
Here's a small write up from a woman that saw this LED in person at CES next to the ES8000

http://blogs.which.co.uk/technology/ces/samsung-f8000-samsungs-flagship-led-tv-for-2013/
post #143 of 3654
Found this while surfing around for more information on the F8000.

http://lcdtvbuyingguide.com/hdtv/best-led-tv.html
post #144 of 3654
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

I believe Rogo was.

No, I was not.
post #145 of 3654
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Trust me.... If Ssmsung was able to make a 65 inch panel that does not have vertical banding, they would be promoting the hell out of it as pretty much every manufacturers 65 panels suffer from banding to some degree. The 65F8000, like the ES8000 and the D8000 before that will have vertical banding. What they may have done is increase quality control so the banding is not as noticeable as the "in your face" banding on the 65ES8000.... But a even highly doubt that. Samsung is too concerned with making a tv that you can talk and wave to instead of making a tv that has a defect free image.

Dude I have read a million threads in these forums and your comment per above is the finest post I've read yet.

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post #146 of 3654
Here you can see that back in March last year when Samsung released the ES8000, they were charging $3K for the "smaller" 46" LED. I hope they don't try doing this again with the F series come March.

http://www.theverge.com/products/un46es8000/5314
post #147 of 3654
I don't know much about the technology these TVs utilize (and most everyone here sounds competent, informed and very enthusiastic), but I do know a thing or two about Marketing. There are a thousand and one ways to market a product, but one thing you usually don't do is highlight flaws (accentuate the positive, minimize the negative). They are still actively promoting and selling the ES line (the salesman at ABT told me its a very nice LED), so to come out and say, "Oh, and BTW, we fixed the crappy vertical banding issues on the ES from last year" would alienate existing customers, as well as drive away current ones in the market for a '012 model. Most likely you will see the marketing literature come out and state "...the new F series improves upon the stellar picture quality you've come to love on previous Samsung models..." (if, in fact it does. Actually, even if it doesn't, it might be such a subjective point that they'll say it anyway). Look for the CNETS and Home Theater Reviews and other experts to highlight and test the exact points you are all interested in.

If I worked for Samsung and you came up to me and asked if the F8000 fixes the vertical banding of the ES8000 I'd probably reply, "What banding?"
post #148 of 3654
Robert Zohn posted an opinion that the Samsung F series is without the expected issues of an edge lit panel....I took this to mean that he didn't see any uniformity defects or clouding or DSE...and if Robert was so enthusiastic then I believe that we are in for a pleasant surprise when the F8000's show up in the stores. Rogo, did you see both the LED and the plazma at CES and was it your opinion that the 8500 would work in a brightly lit room?
post #149 of 3654
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Originally Posted by tomboyter View Post

Robert Zohn posted an opinion that the Samsung F series is without the expected issues of an edge lit panel....I took this to mean that he didn't see any uniformity defects or clouding or DSE...and if Robert was so enthusiastic then I believe that we are in for a pleasant surprise when the F8000's show up in the stores. Rogo, did you see both the LED and the plazma at CES and was it your opinion that the 8500 would work in a brightly lit room?

Still no mention if vertical banding has been addressed with the 65+ models.
post #150 of 3654
wow, been reading all the goodies u all posted & i wonder if i am crazy or 1/2 sane?
I got the es8000 about 2 weeks ago, i DO Not see any uniformity issues with my 55" but i do see some flash lighting depending on what settings i am using.
as it goes for PC gaming, i am doing fairly well were all i need to do is reduce the backlight & i am good to go.
ces 2013 made my jaw drop looking over the 8500 plasma's.... i previously had a c8000 but i FREAKED OUT & punched it>>very costly drunk mistake, i don't plan on doing it to this es8000 BUT those new plasma's have me drooling like a mad dog , If there is ANY sammy tv that looks promising for 20`3 it's the plasma's IMHO.
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