Originally Posted by buzzard767
You don't have to watch a movie the way the director intended, but, then again, why would you not want to do that?
Your hard earned money gives you the ability to watch what ever quality picture you want, correct or not. But is it some extra visual entertainment you're looking for? Look at the TV. Look at your walls. Look at the TV. Adjust it so it looks like your walls. Sorry if you don't like real life but that's the way it goes....
Well although I know what you're saying, let's be fair. The majority of movies are shot in such a way that they don't come close to depicting 'real life'. Between the endless 'stylized' color palettes and the other weird things that directors do to deviate from a 'real life' look, if someone prefers their picture altered somewhat from 'director's intent', I say live and let live. If the guy prefers to set his display so that instead of having a hue that already deviates markedly from 'accurate' color per director's intent, his deviates even more markedly, so what? It may not be what you or I prefer, but I can certainly hear someone say "Hell, the director's colors are already screwed up, so why should I care about my color deviating from 'accurate'". As long as they enjoy the picture, it's great.
Originally Posted by buzzard767
This TV need three things to make it a winner:
1: Good black level - high end plasma will still beat the crap out of it but it needs to be better than last year
2. Minimal flashlighting
3. Minimal clouding
Buzzaard, I question #1. Why is it a given that a high end plasma will 'beat the crap' out of the F8000 when the black levels haven't even been measured yet? This is far from a scientific approach to display evaluation. The reviews I've read thus far tell a different story (whether you believe them or not is something else). I'll tell you this, I've seen the F8000 is several different settings (though admittedly not yet in a truly dark environment). From what I've seen, I doubt that any high end plasma will 'beat the crap' out of the F8000 on black levels, just as no high end plasma can beat the crap out of my current LED, the Elite. Now it's quite possible once the lights are out I might be surprised and find the F8000's black levels really aren't that great. It's certainly possible, but I doubt it.
What I do believe is that many of the better LEDs can beat the crap out of any plasma from the standpoint of luminance values and I do think that counts too. This is what makes the F8500 so intriguing, the potential for the best of both worlds in a plasma. The F8500 may be the display that brings me back to the world of plasma, but I doubt any other plasma will. The Elite's ability, unmatched by any plasma, to impart such a real life feel to full-screen bright scenes and still retain exceptional black levels and shadow detail, has truly spoiled me. If the F8500 lives up to the hype, for the first time even LED lovers will have a choice to have the virtues of an LED wrapped up in a plasma.
But I see too many people making the assumption that no LED can even compete with plasmas on black levels. This is just false. Sure, if you take the black levels of the native panel and refuse to engage whatever dimming approach the manufacturer has incorporated, whether it be a good implementation of edge dimming as the F8000 apparently has or full array like the Sony 929/950 & Sharp Elite, then it's true. But hell, those dimming approaches are there for a reason, to be used.