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post #1321 of 3249
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Originally Posted by ptlurking View Post

Looks like a 75" F8000 set is coming sometime (hopefully) soon...

http://www.thehighdefinitionstore.com/Samsung-UN75F8000-75-ultra-slim-1080P-LED-3D-HDTV-p/un75f8000.htm

Above link says arriving 3/22...

Yeah, that's pretty much the price Robert quoted me a month ago, that I posted here.

Love the folks who think it's going to go for $5K or so..... rolleyes.gif
post #1322 of 3249
Well that is the same price the 9000 goes for here in Australia, so I would like to know what samsungs plans are for the 9000, as it seems odd to have two TVs the same size, different series, same price.
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Originally Posted by moonhawk View Post

Yeah, that's pretty much the price Robert quoted me a month ago, that I posted here.

Love the folks who think it's going to go for $5K or so..... rolleyes.gif
post #1323 of 3249
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Originally Posted by ptlurking View Post

Looks like a 75" F8000 set is coming sometime (hopefully) soon...

http://www.thehighdefinitionstore.com/Samsung-UN75F8000-75-ultra-slim-1080P-LED-3D-HDTV-p/un75f8000.htm

Thanks for the link! That's the first official listing I've seen for the 75 incher. It even has the dimensions:
Quote:
75" UN75F8000 – UPC 887276024882

Order code: UN75F8000AFXZA
DIMENSIONS (WxHxD)
TV without stand: 65.8" x 37.6" x 1.6"
TV with stand: 65.8" x 39.2" x 16.1"
Package: TBD
WEIGHT
TV without stand: TBD
TV with stand: TBD
Package: TBD

Considering the stand is as wide as the panel (nearly 70"), you're going to need one hell of a wide piece of furniture to put that sucker on. I'm really excited for this set. If it doesn't have any banding or other obvious issues, I'd very seriously consider buying it, despite the outrageous price tag. One thing is for sure. With this set coming, it makes absolutely zero sense to buy an ES9000 right now. Perhaps if they really start dropping the prices on the 9000s to make way for the F8000s, there will be some good deals to be had. Given the improvements we've seen over the 8000s, though, I still think I'd rather wait and pay up for the F8000.
post #1324 of 3249
Just noticed that Abt now has the 75" F8000 officially available for pre-order. Looks like this thing really is coming out soon. biggrin.gif

Here's the full spec sheet:
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Samsung 75" Black LED 1080P 3D HDTV, Model UN75F8000

Features:

Picture Quality

Full HD 1080p
The realistic detail of Full HD images invites you to enjoy a viewing experience that redefines reality
Micro Dimming Ultimate
Displays a picture that is as true-to-life as possible by maximizing the contrast between light and dark. Our innovative technology scans zones across the image and adjusts brightness to deliver deeper dark tones and brighter whites. It also eliminates the “halo” effect and image distortion that can happen with diffused lights. The Ultimate version of this technology optimizes the quality to new heights by scanning 2 times the number of zones in the image
Precision Black (Local Dimming)
Produces a much greater increase in contrast and black levels by dimming LEDs behind dark areas of the picture, thus making blacks darker without affecting brighter elements of the picture
Clear Motion Rate 1200
A Clear Motion Rate of 1200 is Samsung’s ultimate level of motion-clarity. TVs with this CMR can display action-packed movement with superior sharpness, clarity and contrast. Clear Motion Rate was developed to accurately measure how well an LCD or LED TV can depict fast-moving images. Previously, motion-clarity was calculated by the frame refresh rate alone. But CMR offers a more complete measure by calculating 3 factors: frame refresh rate, image processor speed and backlight technology
SMART TV 2.0

Quad Core Processor
Explore and multi task faster with our Quad Core Processor. This extra power gives you better recommendations, smoother interaction and allows you to switch between content even faster than before
Smart Hub
Our new interface organizes your entertainment and content into 5 convenient panels: On TV, Movies and TV Shows, Social, Apps, and a panel for your Photos, Videos and Music
Full Web Browser
All the benefits of Full Web Browsing, right on your TV. From social sites like Facebook® and Twitter® to news, weather, entertainment, blogs and more. Discover even more content possibilities with your Smart TV
S-Recommendation
Discover what you want to watch without surfing channels just by asking your TV. It will respond to your voice and find a selection of customized content options based on your preferences. Ask the TV for recommendations while you’re watching TV, for example “what football games are on?” Or visit the full S-Recommendation hub to find new things to watch
SMART Interaction 2.0

Built-in Pop-up Camera
Useful for video calling applications such as Skype™, the built-in camera is hidden within the top of the bezel, and pops up when slight pressure is applied
Motion Control
Voice Control
SMART Connectivity

AllShare™
Samsung AllShare Play lets you and your family seamlessly share your content across your DLNA-connected Samsung devices, without the need for a network, cables or a connecting device
Samsung Smart View (Mirroring/Clone View/Dual View)
Stream content playing on your TV straight to your mobile device so you never miss a second of the action
MHL Adapter
A mobile audio/video interface standard for connecting and charging portable electronics devices to high-definition displays
Other

SMART Evolution Compatible
The Smart Evolution Port allows you to update your Smart TV in the future. The Smart Evolution Kit* plugs into the back of your TV and updates it with new software and technology that will improve your TV performance –faster speed, more content, more features
2D And 3D In FULL HD
Experience vivid, lifelike detail and clarity in both 2D and immersing 3D
ECO Sensor
Measures the intensity of the light in the room and automatically adjusts the brightness of the image on the TV, for more intelligent energy management
Ultra Slim Design
With ultra-slim bezel, featuring a virtually edgeless design, the picture appears even larger
Specifications:

Connections

4 x HDMI® Connections
3 x USB Connections
Wi-Fi Built-in
1 x Component in
2 x Composite in (AV) (1 Shared with Component)
Audio

Dolby® Digital Plus, Dolby® Pulse
Optimizes the TV sound quality when viewing and listening to Internet movies, Internet music and other content played back from wired or wireless mobile phones, PCs and tablet devices
DTS Premium Sound | 5.1™ decoding with DTS Studio Sound™ processing
Delivers immersive 5.1 surround sound from any DTS-encoded content and converts any two-channel audio content into a 5.1 DTS surround sound track for discrete surround sound playback. Experience surround sound with maximum bass response, dialog clarity and consistent volume levels from all your content, including Blu-ray™ movies, TV programming, streaming and games
Approximate Dimensions:

Without Stand (W x H x D): 65.8" x 37.9" x 1.6"
With Stand (W x H x D): 65.8" x 39.2" x 16.1"
Approximate Weight:

Shipping: 100 lbs
Warranty Information:

Manufacturer Warranty (authorized online retailer): One Year Parts and Labor
post #1325 of 3249
On the referenced reseller site above did anyone notice that the 65" shows an available date of 3/22?

http://www.thehighdefinitionstore.com/Samsung-UN65F8000-65-ultra-slim-1080P-LED-3D-HDTV-p/un65f8000.htm

Likely not reliable.

Robert at Value Electronics is saying May for the 65" - I can only hope he is wrong...
post #1326 of 3249
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Agkss, the F8000 has already put to rest several 'it can't do this, it can't do that because it's not full array'. When a calibrator almost insists the display must be full array based on what he's seeing as he's running through his tests, I sit up and take notice. With that said, nobody is saying that the display equal or exceeds the Elite, the Panasonic or the 'Whatever" TV. I don't think we know at this point for sure if it equals some of the benchmarks. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, maybe it comes close. Whatever it does do, it's damn impressive. Robert has told me numerous time he's 'shocked' by what he's seen from the F8000 as was his ISF tech.

I was dubious at first, far less so now that I've seen several F8000s. I think it's very typical when a new display comes out we get the usual "There's no way that thing can beat my display...no way". I see it every time a new display is introduced and I've seen it ever since I've been on AVS. Again, I'm not saying it equals or exceeds display A or B. What I am saying is that it's damn impressive on its own merits and hugely impressive for an edge lit display. What's this based on? My own personal observations in an admittedly less than ideal viewing environment, but still a subdued lighting environment and Robert and his calibrator's proper viewing environment while calibrating.

Sorry Ken Ross but i prefer to wait for sony, HX950 last year was better than any samsung,we all due respect i don't care if you think it's a full array...0.04cd/m2 in black levels for me it's not that good...full array sets are in another level on blacks. I have a GT50 and if this tv (F8000) it's not on par with a full array tv or will be close to Sharp Elite or Full array Sony...it's a waste of my money and i don't live in a region where it's easy to buy a high end tv. Only consider this 2 leds better than my plasma.

This phrase "There's no way that thing can beat my display...no way" is from some Kuro Owners...i don't have a Kuro. I think is impressive because finally doesn't have problems with clouding, edgelighting and it seems that doesn't have DSE but that's 55" version...60" & 65" are my targets.
Edited by agkss - 3/16/13 at 10:11am
post #1327 of 3249
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Originally Posted by agkss View Post

Sorry Ken Ross but i prefer to wait for sony, HX950 last year was better than any samsung,we all due respect i don't care if you think it's a full array...0.04cd/m2 in black levels for me it's not that good...full array sets are in another level on blacks. I have a GT50 and if this tv (F8000) it's not on par with a full array tv or will be close to Sharp Elite or Full array Sony...it's a waste of my money and i don't live in a region where it's easy to buy a high end tv. Only consider this 2 leds better than my plasma.

This phrase "There's no way that thing can beat my display...no way" is from some Kuro Owners...i don't have a Kuro. I think is impressive because finally doesn't have problems with clouding, edgelighting and it seems that doesn't have DSE but that's 55" version...60" & 65" are my targets.

The .04 black level is with micro dimming ultimate turned off. As far as I know, there hasn't been a black level measurement with Micro dimming turned on. Hopefully someone here can do that.

Even full array TVs have a lighter black level when local dimming is turned off. I don't think the F8000 will beat the HX950 or the Sharp Elite, but I'm pretty sure it can come close. I can't wait to see what Sony's replacement for the HX950 will be (if there is one). It's really nice to see Samsung and Sony putting more effort in PQ than "smart" features.
post #1328 of 3249
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Originally Posted by Johninperth View Post

Well that is the same price the 9000 goes for here in Australia, so I would like to know what samsungs plans are for the 9000, as it seems odd to have two TVs the same size, different series, same price.

It's a thousand bucks less than the ES9000 here. cool.gif
post #1329 of 3249
Very true Eclipse. That .04 reading was with dimming off. So we'd expect the dimming # to be significantly lower.

Will it match the Elite? Not likely, but who knows? I believe Robert mentioned that a zero stimulus resultsd in unmeasurable black levels on Ed's meter. So in that respect it actually exceeded the Elite. It also did better in totally eliminating haloing. Further, it did better in terms of conforming to Rec709. No more comments on cyan errors. smile.gif



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post #1330 of 3249
So I saw the F8000 today in my local Best Buy (sort of). It was actually a pretty pathetic display. I expected to see it sitting on the stand in the Magnolia room. But no, it was amongst all the other sets on the main floor, high up on a wall, above the ES7500. It was fed their standard signal, whatever that was, and it looked like crap. Not because it was the tv's fault, but because the signal was lousy - pixellated and compressed. Instead of some nice images to show off the screen, it was just standard Best Buy advertising crap.

So I asked if I could see the remote and give it a try. The associate looked around for a couple minutes and said he couldn't find the remote. I told him he's gotta be kidding, since they just set the tv up like 2 days ago according to him. He said they usually don't know where they put the remotes, sometimes in a drawer maybe. He admitted the signal they were feeding it was lousy. A few minutes after he walked away, a girl asked me if she could help me, so I asked her if she knew where the remote was. She looked around and came back and said she didn't, and that usually all the remotes get put in a box and placed up on a shelf somewhere. I asked her how they expect to sell these sets if people can't even pull up a menu or change the picture modes? She really didn't have any answer, and I told her I know it wasn't her fault, just a poor decision on Best Buy's part.

So there was my experience seeing the F8000. Lame. They really don't even want to give these sets a chance it seems. The first guy I talked to said Best Buy charges more just to keep the set in the Magnolia room, and Samsung didn't want to pay extra for the premium spot. So he didn't know what would end up in there, but it wouldn't be the F8000 he said. Now, I don't know if any of that is correct or not, but if so, why is Best Buy charging more just to put it in a place that would help show off the flagship unit? Shouldn't Best Buy want to showcase one of their better sets just to help them sell more?

Anyways, it's too bad I couldn't try out the remote and play with the controls a bit. I really couldn't make any type of judgement on the panel because it just wasn't getting any kind of descent signal to judge by. I can say the look of the set was really stunning. Incredibly thin bezel with a silver trim around the sides, and a very small illuminated Samsung logo, which seemed less than half the size of last year's logo. I believe the logo can be turned off like last years' from what I've read. The set looked very sleek, and I would have loved to see it on its stand, since that's how it would be set up in my apartment. During one advertisement, the letterbox bars appeared to be on - they didn't seem to be pitch black, or off, but I have no idea what settings were on so I can't make any real judgement based on what I saw. I'm assuming both the F8000 and the ES7500 below it were both on dynamic, but you never know. Based on what was there, it did seem like the F8000 looked less harsh than the ES7500, but again, the signal was lousy anyways, so that doesn't really mean anything.

I hope others have a better experience than I did with their local Best Buys. These guys really have no idea what they're doing.
Edited by eagle_2 - 3/16/13 at 1:09pm
post #1331 of 3249
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Very true Eclipse. That .04 reading was with dimming off. So we'd expect the dimming # to be significantly lower.

Will it match the Elite? Not likely, but who knows? I believe Robert mentioned that a zero stimulus resultsd in unmeasurable black levels on Ed's meter. So in that respect it actually exceeded the Elite. It also did better in totally eliminating haloing. Further, it did better in terms of conforming to Rec709. No more comments on cyan errors. smile.gif



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Are you saying that there is actually a setting in the menu to turn micro-dimming on or off? Because last year there was no such setting. It was forced off for movie mode and forced on for all other modes. Can the micro-dimming be turned on or off in any picture mode (standard, movie, etc.), or just certain ones?
post #1332 of 3249
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

So I saw the F8000 today in my local Best Buy (sort of). It was actually a pretty pathetic display. I expected to see it sitting on the stand in the Magnolia room. But no, it was amongst all the other sets on the main floor, high up on a wall, above the ES7500. It was fed their standard signal, whatever that was, and it looked like crap. Not because it was the tv's fault, but because the signal was lousy - pixellated and compressed. Instead of some nice images to show off the screen, it was just standard Best Buy advertising crap.

So I asked if I could see the remote and give it a try. The associate looked around for a couple minutes and said he couldn't find the remote. I told him he's gotta be kidding, since they just set the tv up like 2 days ago according to him. He said they usually don't know where they put the remotes, sometimes in a drawer maybe. He admitted the signal they were feeding it was lousy. A few minutes after he walked away, a girl asked me if she could help me, so I asked her if she knew where the remote was. She looked around and came back and said she didn't, and that usually all the remotes get put in a box and placed up on a shelf somewhere. I asked her how they expect to sell these sets if people can't even pull up a menu or change the picture modes? She really didn't have any answer, and I told her I know it wasn't her fault, just a poor decision on Best Buy's part.

So there was my experience seeing the F8000. Lame. They really don't even want to give these sets a chance it seems. The first guy I talked to said Best Buy charges more just to keep the set in the Magnolia room, and Samsung didn't want to pay extra for the premium spot. So he didn't know what would end up in there, but it wouldn't be the F8000 he said. Now, I don't know if any of that is correct or not, but if so, why is Best Buy charging more just to put it in a place that would help show off the flagship unit? Shouldn't Best Buy want to showcase one of their better sets just to help them sell more?

Anyways, it's too bad I couldn't try out the remote and play with the controls a bit. I really couldn't make any type of judgement on the panel because it just wasn't getting any kind of descent signal to judge by. I can say the look of the set was really stunning. Incredibly thin bezel with a silver trim around the sides, and a very small illuminated Samsung logo, which seemed less than half the size of last year's logo. I believe the logo can be turned off like last years' from what I've read. The set looked very sleek, and I would have loved to see it on its stand, since that's how it would be set up in my apartment. During one advertisement, the letterbox bars appeared to be on - they didn't seem to be pitch black, or off, but I have no idea what settings were on so I can't make any real judgement based on what I saw. I'm assuming both the F8000 and the ES7500 below it were both on dynamic, but you never know. Based on what was there, it did seem like the F8000 looked less harsh than the ES7500, but again, the signal was lousy anyways, so that doesn't really mean anything.

I hope others have a better experience than I did with their local Best Buys. These guys really have no idea what they're doing.

Man, you gotta love Best Buy. No wonder the company is about to go bankrupt. The thing I don't understand is why they couldn't just grab you a regular remote. I know the set doesn't come with one, but couldn't pretty much any modern Samsung TV remote be used to navigate the menus? We know the set is capable of being controlled via IR, since the European models come with a standard remote.
post #1333 of 3249
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Originally Posted by agkss View Post

Sorry Ken Ross but i prefer to wait for sony, HX950 last year was better than any samsung,we all due respect i don't care if you think it's a full array...0.04cd/m2 in black levels for me it's not that good...full array sets are in another level on blacks. I have a GT50 and if this tv (F8000) it's not on par with a full array tv or will be close to Sharp Elite or Full array Sony...it's a waste of my money and i don't live in a region where it's easy to buy a high end tv. Only consider this 2 leds better than my plasma.

This phrase "There's no way that thing can beat my display...no way" is from some Kuro Owners...i don't have a Kuro. I think is impressive because finally doesn't have problems with clouding, edgelighting and it seems that doesn't have DSE but that's 55" version...60" & 65" are my targets.

The W900A from Sony is replacing the HX850. Sony has not announced another full-array beyond the 950 so if you want a full-array from Sony I'd get the 950 very soon.
post #1334 of 3249
Is it risky to buy a new model right when it comes out? So people wait a few months to see if any bad bugs appear?
post #1335 of 3249
Looks like that 7997 is the MAP on the 75" since the three,places cited name the same price. Too bad. That's steep in a world of $3-4k Sharp 80"ers. PQ may not be as good but that's a huuuuuuuuge premium for a smaller set IMO. Still, I look forward to seeing the f8000 at that size.
post #1336 of 3249
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Originally Posted by Dstone001 View Post

Is it risky to buy a new model right when it comes out? So people wait a few months to see if any bad bugs appear?

It's not a bad idea. There was some discussion last year about this, but I don't think anybody really knows for sure. I think in theory the idea is any manufacturing kinks or shortcomings can get worked out in the first few weeks or months of release. But I don't know if this actually happens or not. It does make some sense. I have heard before of how later in the production runs things like this can improve if any flaws are discovered during the initial release. I really don't want to state anything as fact here because really I don't think anybody but Samsung knows if this is the case with their sets.
post #1337 of 3249
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Originally Posted by moonhawk View Post

The return of Anthony5632.... eek.gifeek.gifeek.gif

Still pushing his dang es8000 with the magical update lol
post #1338 of 3249
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Originally Posted by Justin Sullins View Post

The W900A from Sony is replacing the HX850. Sony has not announced another full-array beyond the 950 so if you want a full-array from Sony I'd get the 950 very soon.

No, I think Sony could make a better work that samsung with EDGE LED Local dimming like HX850.
post #1339 of 3249
i am trying to take some pictures of the f8000 in movie mode in the dark. but my pictures look like crap.

i took some pictures but , the pictures i took dont look good.
i am using a canon powershot SD1200IS .
the pictures dont look like in real life.
is there a setting i have to set on my camera???
post #1340 of 3249
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

Are you saying that there is actually a setting in the menu to turn micro-dimming on or off? Because last year there was no such setting. It was forced off for movie mode and forced on for all other modes. Can the micro-dimming be turned on or off in any picture mode (standard, movie, etc.), or just certain ones?

I'm not too familiar with the settings. All is know is that when AVForums measured the black level, they didn't use micro dimming. So the .04 black level is the screens natural level without help (which is pretty good for an LED).

I heard that there is a hidden menu that calibrators have access to. Maybe it lets you override the default micro dimming settings. Either way, I'd like to see what the black level is with micro dimming turned on.
post #1341 of 3249
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Originally Posted by agkss View Post

No, I think Sony could make a better work that samsung with EDGE LED Local dimming like HX850.

Thanks for the clarification. I'm sorry but it sounded like you thought Sony was working on a full array, my mistake.

Sony doesn't have the edge-lit/local dimming tech down any more than Samsung does. The HX850 has flashlighting/uniformity issues. I've never personally owned the 850 but have read through the thread. I did own the 950 for a brief period and although it was nice, it is not worth the price-tag but alot of the owners say the 850 and 950 are very similar in PQ.
post #1342 of 3249
yeah i know that but in "blacks" is a huge difference and in my country we don't have the HX950 only a discontinued HX929 (No more units) frown.gif but i wait for more reviews from both samsung and sony.
Greetings Justin and you don't make a mistake i should mention that before.
post #1343 of 3249
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

So I saw the F8000 today in my local Best Buy (sort of). It was actually a pretty pathetic display. I expected to see it sitting on the stand in the Magnolia room. But no, it was amongst all the other sets on the main floor, high up on a wall, above the ES7500. It was fed their standard signal, whatever that was, and it looked like crap. Not because it was the tv's fault, but because the signal was lousy - pixellated and compressed. Instead of some nice images to show off the screen, it was just standard Best Buy advertising crap.

So I asked if I could see the remote and give it a try. The associate looked around for a couple minutes and said he couldn't find the remote. I told him he's gotta be kidding, since they just set the tv up like 2 days ago according to him. He said they usually don't know where they put the remotes, sometimes in a drawer maybe. He admitted the signal they were feeding it was lousy. A few minutes after he walked away, a girl asked me if she could help me, so I asked her if she knew where the remote was. She looked around and came back and said she didn't, and that usually all the remotes get put in a box and placed up on a shelf somewhere. I asked her how they expect to sell these sets if people can't even pull up a menu or change the picture modes? She really didn't have any answer, and I told her I know it wasn't her fault, just a poor decision on Best Buy's part.

So there was my experience seeing the F8000. Lame. They really don't even want to give these sets a chance it seems. The first guy I talked to said Best Buy charges more just to keep the set in the Magnolia room, and Samsung didn't want to pay extra for the premium spot. So he didn't know what would end up in there, but it wouldn't be the F8000 he said. Now, I don't know if any of that is correct or not, but if so, why is Best Buy charging more just to put it in a place that would help show off the flagship unit? Shouldn't Best Buy want to showcase one of their better sets just to help them sell more?

Anyways, it's too bad I couldn't try out the remote and play with the controls a bit. I really couldn't make any type of judgement on the panel because it just wasn't getting any kind of descent signal to judge by. I can say the look of the set was really stunning. Incredibly thin bezel with a silver trim around the sides, and a very small illuminated Samsung logo, which seemed less than half the size of last year's logo. I believe the logo can be turned off like last years' from what I've read. The set looked very sleek, and I would have loved to see it on its stand, since that's how it would be set up in my apartment. During one advertisement, the letterbox bars appeared to be on - they didn't seem to be pitch black, or off, but I have no idea what settings were on so I can't make any real judgement based on what I saw. I'm assuming both the F8000 and the ES7500 below it were both on dynamic, but you never know. Based on what was there, it did seem like the F8000 looked less harsh than the ES7500, but again, the signal was lousy anyways, so that doesn't really mean anything.

I hope others have a better experience than I did with their local Best Buys. These guys really have no idea what they're doing.

First, I called my BB to see if the 55F8000 was unboxed and set up as a display. I was told, "Yes"

I drove to the BB, walked into Magnolia. I could not find it. I looked around the regular TV's, I could not find it. I asked one of the guys working in the TV section, he looked up the F8000 and said, "yes, it was set up." We could not find it. I went back to Magnolia and did another walk around, nothing.

Finally, I guess looking frustrated, the store manger asked me if I found everything I needed. I said, "No, I could not find the Samsung 55F8000. He made a call and a number of employees look around and finally found it in the regular TV section, as high a spot as could be paced for it, without any signs, etc., etc.

Bad experience. Poor salesmanship=BK
post #1344 of 3249
@Lwood

"cinema black" features (in Picture Options) it's only activable in movie mode?

does it work with standard mode?

do you confirm the good impression of the first reviews, with no clouding, bleeding and banding in a dark room?
post #1345 of 3249
I just received a 55F8000 calibration report by Ed Johnson.

If you would like to see the report, PM me.

The report also shows Pre-Calibration and Post-Calibration Grey Scale. Also, Pre and Post-Calibration Gamut.





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Edited by JimShaw - 3/16/13 at 5:33pm
post #1346 of 3249
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

Man, you gotta love Best Buy. No wonder the company is about to go bankrupt. The thing I don't understand is why they couldn't just grab you a regular remote. I know the set doesn't come with one, but couldn't pretty much any modern Samsung TV remote be used to navigate the menus? We know the set is capable of being controlled via IR, since the European models come with a standard remote.

My Best Buy experience was totally different. I talked with the Best Buy salesman for about half-an hour and he honored every request I had.

He also couldn't find the Touch Remote and brought out a Standard E Series remote. I got to see the different picture modes, smart hub and menu.

Best Buy is really not promoting the F8000s in a big way yet...maybe it all the ES's in stock.
post #1347 of 3249
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Originally Posted by Lwood View Post

i am trying to take some pictures of the f8000 in movie mode in the dark. but my pictures look like crap.

i took some pictures but , the pictures i took dont look good.
i am using a canon powershot SD1200IS .
the pictures dont look like in real life.
is there a setting i have to set on my camera???

Please, is there someone here who can help Lmood to figure out his problem ??? , I thought the most important thing to us was going to prove if the f8000 could get rid of clouding at last. there's a lot of users or visitants of this thread who are expecting anxiously to know about this with impatiente ( i'm about to have a haemorrhoid waiting for...biggrin.gif ). Lmood is willing to help us ( showing us pics ) , but it seems nobody pays attention to him . Thanks and sorry to bother you all !
Edited by AGUSTINFOREVER - 3/16/13 at 6:26pm
post #1348 of 3249
Question to anyone that owns an F8000 - with cinema black engaged, how does the rest of the picture look? I know it caused issues with the "D" series sets.
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Too bad on the 75" price. I had my hopes up it would be reasonable. I would have paid a little premium, but at that price samsung lost the sale from me. No way does that make sense when looking at a sharp 80" 844 for decently under $4k. F8000 can't be that good.
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I'm not quite sure which F8000 thread to post in, but since this is more popular I'll share my initial impressions. I just got back with the 55F8000, went through the setup menu, played with the remote and the Smart Hub, and then put in Prometheus 3D. This is replacing a Sony HX850 which I just returned due to vertical banding and a lot of crosstalk with 3D content.

Setup was a breeze, quick and painless, and it has easy tutorials to guide you through voice and motion controls. Those controls feel like gimmicks, however; I won't be using them often. As many of you probably already know, the only remote that ships with the television is a touchpad clicker. It makes me long for a regular remote, as I haven't found a way yet to simply scroll through menus and items with regular buttons. Instead, I have to make long swiping motions. That can get a tad tiring. It's not a huge negative, though. It's actually quite a sleek remote that's somewhat fun to hold and use despite it taking longer to get where I want to go.

The television itself is also quite sleek, with barely any bezel. The stand is wide but also quite minimal from a field of view perspective. I particularly like how may of its inputs are downward facing with a cover that can hide that section of the back, as well.

I haven't spent too much time with the Smart Hub, but right off the bat I enjoy it a great deal more than Sony's Entertainment Network interface. Everything is laid out well and navigating it is smooth. When you first start it up, though, it appears that it downloads all the apps instead of just shipping with them pre-installed.

So how does the image compare? In 2D, the picture is notably more detailed. Blacks are absolutely pitch black and there's no flashlighting or clouding to be found. It's a stunning image in Movie mode, even before any calibration. The television ships with four pairs of 3D glasses, all of which are lightweight and comfortable. They're a little loose on me because I have to put them over a pair of prescription glasses, but they're otherwise much more manageable than the bulky Sony PlayStation 3 3D glasses I previously used. Best of all, there's little to no crosstalk at all, whereas with the HX850 I could spot faint (or sometimes extreme) ghosting in every scene. It's also quite a bit brighter. 3D that I've previously experienced tended to have some headache inducing blur when the camera would pan, and thankfully there's none of that with the Samsung. Part of that is likely due to frame interpolation, which cannot be disabled when in 3D, but it's not the same kind of jittery motion smoothing I've seen with other sets.

These are just my impressions after spending 30 minutes with it. I haven't quite calibrated it yet aside from lowering brightness, contrast and the backlight, but I'm already in love. Blacks are deep, the image is crystal clear and gorgeous, and the 3D is so much less frustrating to me than what I experienced with the Sony HX850. I'll continue to give my impressions as I spend more time with it, but if anyone has any questions, ask away and I'll try to do my best to answer.

Edit: I'm a little further in Prometheus now, and the television's picture is still awesome, but I have to comment on one scene. When they enter the dome for the first time, David finds and starts interacting with a panel on a hallway wall. Partly due to the clarity of the image and partly to the motion smoothness going on, that scene looks absolutely real. It didn't look fake or like a soap opera. It looked like he was actually there in front of me. Amazing.
Edited by AGuy01 - 3/16/13 at 6:37pm
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