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post #1441 of 3645
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

Contrary to popular belief, IR is not a big problem on modern plasmas. As long as you are somewhat careful during the first 100 hours or so, the set should be fine. I have a 60" Pioneer KURO that I've owned for 4 years, and it shows absolutely no signs of IR. Heck, my kids will sometimes walk away and leave the TV on for hours with the TiVo paused, and it still isn't a problem. I've watched plenty of 4:3 content on it over the years. You just don't want to watch exclusively 4:3 content, or leave the CNBC ticker running across your screen all day long. Honestly, you don't have to baby it. Most people will never have a problem with IR, even if they don't make any special attempts to avoid it.

That's interesting. The other thing that puts me off from Plasma is the brightness. I like to watch with good to high brightness. Don't know really how the latest plasma's are bright. I have seen few Panasonic TVs and was not impressed by their brightness. Haven't seen the VT50 which will be the one I will buy in case I have decided to go to a plasma. But one thing is for sure. I want it to be bright enough
post #1442 of 3645
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

+1

You guys in Europe shouldn't have to pay extra for a feature standard on the same model in the US, let alone one that is most likely already in the set, just disabled. Bad business practice I'd say.

There is a lot of talk about the Europe version missing some features. It seems that most of it originated from _someones_ conspiracy theories smile.gif Are there any actual proof/confirmation that the EU version differ from the US?

The few Swedish sites lists the F8000 already sais it includes "Micro Dimming Ultimate" and "Precision Black", just like the offical US samsung site.
Some of you mentions something called "Smart LED". I have not seen this in any marketing material in US nor EU. If on screen menus are different between regions, wouldn't that be more of a localization thing, than stripping out features?
post #1443 of 3645
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

My first 65VT50 had severe IR of the Oppo logo right smack dab in the middle of the screen. It was only up for like 10 minutes before the screen saver came on but never went away. I ultimately returned it due to dead pixels.

Oh god!! Thats scary because I have Oppo BDP too.
I read lots of raving about the picture quality of VT50 but I don't want a TV that can be damaged that easily
post #1444 of 3645
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Originally Posted by BillKen View Post

Sadly my experience has been far different. My Pioneer 940 Elite has irreparable black bar burn-in - and now hangs out in my garage - replaced by a Samsung UN46EH6000.

My Panasonic GT30 55" now shows what it's either VERY VERY VERY stubborn IR - and most likely burn-in from believe it or not - only 45 minutes/day of Power90 workout DVD (running stretched to full screen) for the past 51 days (not even through the whole 90 day workout program yet) - along with leaving the TV on after the workout on the morning news in HD for about 45 minutes religiously every single day. The Power90 workout has a static menu looking thing with the countdown for each exercize etc that doesn't change. I've run the Disney WoW pixel flipper for about 3 days straight, the Anti Image Retention bar probably 50-75 times and the Break-In Slides for 2 days with no luck. frown.gif

I'm very unhappy with this as I love the GT30 in every other way - but it's why I'm seriously considering a F8000 now - and will not buy another plasma in the future. Both the Pio and GT30 were broken in properly and quite honestly majorly babied by me from the day I brought them each home.

Ironicially I also have a Panasonic 50" 720p plasma that's much older and been totally abused in regard to not being careful with black bars and static images and it's still perfect after all these years.

Terrible and sorry for your loss. I hope you will be happy with your new purchase.
Just hope this F8000 TV will not have the same problems of ES8000
post #1445 of 3645
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Originally Posted by Justin Sullins View Post

It's the same model #. I think all of my Samsung sets have had "za" at the end of the model #.

Thank you.
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Originally Posted by leXorNet View Post

There is a lot of talk about the Europe version missing some features. It seems that most of it originated from _someones_ conspiracy theories smile.gif Are there any actual proof/confirmation that the EU version differ from the US?

The few Swedish sites lists the F8000 already sais it includes "Micro Dimming Ultimate" and "Precision Black", just like the offical US samsung site.
Some of you mentions something called "Smart LED". I have not seen this in any marketing material in US nor EU. If on screen menus are different between regions, wouldn't that be more of a localization thing, than stripping out features?

I really hope we get the same version as the US because the same version that is released in Europe will be released in the Middle East.
I even heard that Panasonic VT50 the European version is different somehow than the American. Really would like to know how.
Not sure if Samsung would be the same specially the ES8000 and now the F8000
Does it have to do anything with patent rights?
post #1447 of 3645
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Which shows you (complete with the proof of their own IR/burn-in images) that this is still an issue, even if less so than it was years ago. But remember, these were current gen (VT50) models, not plasmas from years ago.

Yes, it can be minimized or eliminated if you are careful. But if you're the type of person that leaves static images on the screen for long periods of time, you can have an issue. I've actually had exactly the same issue they had, but I caught it earlier than they did. I had a DVD hooked up to my Fujitsu plasma and went out. I came back several hours later to find the player paused, leaving some distinct IR. I ran full screen whites along with the Fujitsu 'wiping' application, but never fully got rid of the IR. This was burn-in.

Fortunately today's plasmas are more resistant, but not immune to this issue.
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Originally Posted by AGuy01 View Post

Let me go start it up and take a look again, just to be sure. I'll report back in a short minute.

Edit: With Smart LED off, the corners are slightly lighter than the rest of the screen, but just barely. It's really quite faint. It should be virtually invisible when watching or playing actual content. That's pretty darn impressive, because when I disabled the local dimming on the Sony HX850, I could see obvious hot spots near the edges and corners.

So is smart LED a CE dimming control? do you notice the dimming with it off?
post #1449 of 3645
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Originally Posted by leXorNet View Post

There is a lot of talk about the Europe version missing some features. It seems that most of it originated from _someones_ conspiracy theories smile.gif Are there any actual proof/confirmation that the EU version differ from the US?

The few Swedish sites lists the F8000 already sais it includes "Micro Dimming Ultimate" and "Precision Black", just like the offical US samsung site.
Some of you mentions something called "Smart LED". I have not seen this in any marketing material in US nor EU. If on screen menus are different between regions, wouldn't that be more of a localization thing, than stripping out features?

Not conspiracy theories my friend. Is confirmed by Samsung Spain website that the european model F8000 don´t have the precisión black that have for example the ES9000. I suposse this is the Smart Led feature missing in the F8000 european models.
Another thing, the F8000 reviewer of AVforum UK site, says the Smart Led feature is missing in the F8000 european model... conspiracy? I say sad reality...
You know a Samsung european website that say Precisión Black YES?, if so, tell me. Thanks in advance.
Edited by Agustin Alonso - 3/18/13 at 10:19am
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post


The other thing that puts me off from Plasma is the brightness. I like to watch with good to high brightness. Don't know really how the latest plasma's are bright. I have seen few Panasonic TVs and was not impressed by their brightness. Haven't seen the VT50 which will be the one I will buy in case I have decided to go to a plasma. But one thing is for sure. I want it to be bright enough

Brightness has traditionally been one of the biggest advantages that LCD has over plasma, however, the newest plasmas coming out this year appear to be way brighter than ever before. If you're even considering the VT50, I would recommend waiting to see how things shake out with the Samsung F8500s and the Panasonic ZT60s. Both of these models seem like they could be quite impressive indeed. If I was in the market for a smaller set, I'd definitely be waiting for these plasmas to hit the market before making a final decision. Unfortunately, I'm looking to go bigger, so plasma isn't really an option for me.
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post #1452 of 3645
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Originally Posted by Agustin Alonso View Post

Not conspiracy theories my friend. Is confirmed by Samsung Spain website that the european model F8000 don´t have the precisión black that have for example the ES9000. I suposse this is the Smart Led feature missing in the F8000 european models.
Another thing, the F8000 reviewer of AVforum UK site, says the Smart Led feature is missing in the F8000 european model... conspiracy? I say sad reality...
You know a Samsung european website that say Precisión Black YES?, if so, tell me. Thanks in advance.

Plus the CMR is 1000 on the UK models but 1200 on the US ones. Features did disappear from the very early ES8000's in the first FW update too ie Edge enhancer, black enhancer/shadow detail so they're definitely tinkering with what they give us. I would recommend people make a note of what feature comes initially with the F8 before updating FW then see if anything changes.
Edited by arenaman - 3/18/13 at 10:33am
post #1453 of 3645
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Originally Posted by Agustin Alonso View Post

Not conspiracy theories my friend. Is confirmed by Samsung Spain website that the european model F8000 don´t have the precisión black that have for example the ES9000. I suposse this is the Smart Led feature missing in the F8000 european models.
Another thing, the F8000 reviewer of AVforum UK site, says the Smart Led feature is missing in the F8000 european model... conspiracy? I say sad reality...
You know a Samsung european website that say Precisión Black YES?, if so, tell me. Thanks in advance.

In Germany, only the 75inch f8000 will have precision Black.
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Can someone please explain to me the purpose of the IR out port on the back of the set. Is this what I would use if I wanted to control the set with my own universal remote, or is it so that I can use the Samsung to control other equipment? Since it's an "out" not an "in", I'm guessing it's the latter.
post #1455 of 3645
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

Can someone please explain to me the purpose of the IR out port on the back of the set. Is this what I would use if I wanted to control the set with my own universal remote, or is it so that I can use the Samsung to control other equipment? Since it's an "out" not an "in", I'm guessing it's the latter.

It is used to control set-top boxes. This allows you to select a show that is in the "Now showing" portion of the smart hub home screen, and the tv will send a signal to the set-top box to tune to the correct channel. I have not played with this feature much, but I have used the touchpad on the remote to change the channels on my Dish receiver up and down.
post #1456 of 3645
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

Can someone please explain to me the purpose of the IR out port on the back of the set. Is this what I would use if I wanted to control the set with my own universal remote, or is it so that I can use the Samsung to control other equipment? Since it's an "out" not an "in", I'm guessing it's the latter.

Does the F8000 come with an IR blaster like the ES8000 did?
post #1457 of 3645
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Ken, I think CE dimming which was a feature on the ES8000 is in fact the same feature as Smart LED on the F8000 but giving the user the ability to toggle on/off on the F8000 where as they couldn't on the ES8000 which might explain the better uniformity and better blacks on the F8000 as it is not disabled out of the box like it was in the ES8000.

I'm not sure that may be correct, cmay. I have an older LN46B750 that defaults out of the box with CE dimming disabled in Movie mode and enabled in Standard and Dynamic mode. Interestingly, you can go into the service menu and turn off CE dimming in Standard and Dynamic or on in all three modes (although I have no idea why anyone would want to.)

On my UN60ES8000, CE dimming still appears in the service menu, but the functions are ghosted (you have no control over it).

Long story short, CE dimming has been in the product line since at least 2008 (the A "touch of color" series line) if not before. Smart LED is a different animal all together. I agree though, it's a bit crazy Samsung has so many dimming features built into these LEDs. They really do seem to overlap.

I noticed a similar type thing with the HX-950, too, that seemed to have multiple sets of menu and sub-menu options that overlapped in terms of what they did.
post #1458 of 3645
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Does the F8000 come with an IR blaster like the ES8000 did?

Yes, it does come with the IR blaster.
post #1459 of 3645
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

Brightness has traditionally been one of the biggest advantages that LCD has over plasma, however, the newest plasmas coming out this year appear to be way brighter than ever before. If you're even considering the VT50, I would recommend waiting to see how things shake out with the Samsung F8500s and the Panasonic ZT60s. Both of these models seem like they could be quite impressive indeed. If I was in the market for a smaller set, I'd definitely be waiting for these plasmas to hit the market before making a final decision. Unfortunately, I'm looking to go bigger, so plasma isn't really an option for me.

The new Panasonics will not compete with LEDs. The only upcoming plasma that will be close (according to advance reports) is the new Samsung F8500. The Panasonic 60s will apparently only be incremental improvements over the 50s. The big leap is the 8500.

Whether the 8500's PQ is as good, better or not as good as the 8000 remains to be seen.
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Originally Posted by grhopper View Post

It is used to control set-top boxes. This allows you to select a show that is in the "Now showing" portion of the smart hub home screen, and the tv will send a signal to the set-top box to tune to the correct channel. I have not played with this feature much, but I have used the touchpad on the remote to change the channels on my Dish receiver up and down.

Thanks!

So then I am still wondering how I would control the set with a universal remote. I was hoping there would be an IR jack on the back of the TV that could hook directly up to my URC RF base station, but this doesn't appear to be the case. I guess I'll have to go the traditional route and use an IR blaster. My only concern is that the bezel is so narrow that an IR blaster may look sort of strange. As a last resort, I could always directly control it from my universal remote using IR, but I generally prefer a more elegant solution. smile.gif
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I think the only thing I'm disappointed with is that in video games, at least during Ni No Kuni, anti-judder settings (and thus Standard and Smooth motion presets) create artifacts around objects.

I actually quite like how interpolation makes video games look - it's like having one of those 120Hz computer monitors without requiring the games be running at 120 frames to see the benefits, but better. Clear works well enough, though I would have preferred to use Standard.

Other than that, I can't stop pawing at and playing with it. I'm going to pick up Dredd and The Hobbit, both in 3D, sometime this week to enjoy on this set. I'm tempted to get Life of Pi, too.
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

The new Panasonics will not compete with LEDs. The only upcoming plasma that will be close (according to advance reports) is the new Samsung F8500. The Panasonic 60s will apparently only be incremental improvements over the 50s. The big leap is the 8500.

Whether the 8500's PQ is as good, better or not as good as the 8000 remains to be seen.

The ZT60 was built from the ground up - preliminary reports say it will be more than an "incremental improvement"...
post #1463 of 3645
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Originally Posted by dad0118 View Post

The ZT60 was built from the ground up - preliminary reports say it will be more than an "incremental improvement"...

We shall see. Hope it's a PQ knockout with the brightness of LEDs.
post #1464 of 3645
Fixed...? This is my take on it:

* Smart LED- Samsung's very limited attempt at edge lit local dimming (shouldn't be that many zones actually)
Is it tied to software dimming equaling controlling both options simultaneously?
* Cinema Black- is their method to render both top & bottom as well as side mask bars, totally black
Reviewers all seem to be noting NOT to leave this on during normal viewing
* Dynamic Contrast- Basically Samsung's micro dimming software (I did a write up of this in the ES8000 thread)
In Movie mode where the more subtle effect of M.D. is auto-disabled - Put DC on Low and enjoy
* CE Dimming- On by default in Standard mode, off by default in Movie mode. Can be distracting in 7500 models or lower
because of lower contrast ratios
* Black Enhancer - Enabled CE dimming in Movie mode as it is auto-disabled there
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Originally Posted by AGuy01 View Post

Yes, Smart LED is Samsung's local dimming. It's also called micro dimming
post #1465 of 3645
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Originally Posted by pitchman View Post

I'm not sure that may be correct, cmay. I have an older LN46B750 that defaults out of the box with CE dimming disabled in Movie mode and enabled in Standard and Dynamic mode. Interestingly, you can go into the service menu and turn off CE dimming in Standard and Dynamic or on in all three modes (although I have no idea why anyone would want to.)

On my UN60ES8000, CE dimming still appears in the service menu, but the functions are ghosted (you have no control over it).

Long story short, CE dimming has been in the product line since at least 2008 (the A "touch of color" series line) if not before. Smart LED is a different animal all together. I agree though, it's a bit crazy Samsung has so many dimming features built into these LEDs. They really do seem to overlap.

I noticed a similar type thing with the HX-950, too, that seemed to have multiple sets of menu and sub-menu options that overlapped in terms of what they did.

Pitchman.... Interesting about the greyed out areas in the service menu. If those were not greyed out, what do you think the benefit would be if any if you could access them? Does one of those control the top and bottom dimming that helped so much with the firmware update?
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

We shall see. Hope it's a PQ knockout with the brightness of LEDs.

I really doubt it can match LED's for brightness. Nothing about the ZT states that it won't have ABL or other such inhibitors.

If brightness is the key, then LED's will win. As usual, I'm sure the top Plasmas' and LED's will be both quite good but with compromises.
post #1467 of 3645
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Originally Posted by RobertR1 View Post

I really doubt it can match LED's for brightness. Nothing about the ZT states that it won't have ABL or other such inhibitors.

If brightness is the key, then LED's will win. As usual, I'm sure the top Plasmas' and LED's will be both quite good but with compromises.


Either way, it sounds like it will be a moot point by next year. Now that it appears that Panasonic is indeed bowing out, who is left? Just Samsung for plasma?
post #1468 of 3645
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

We shall see. Hope it's a PQ knockout with the brightness of LEDs.

Hope so too, but as close as they or Samsung try to get, I doubt Plasma can ever reach the brightness level of LCD. And if they were to I would have to get a nice set of earplugs to block out the buzz that would come with it.
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Originally Posted by dad0118 View Post

Hope so too, but as close as they or Samsung try to get, I doubt Plasma can ever reach the brightness level of LCD. And if they were to I would have to get a nice set of earplugs to block out the buzz that would come with it.

What? Can't hear you. Oh wait, let me turn off my VT30.
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I'll never understand why people would want to disable dimming, whether it's full array or edge.

It's usually a good idea while you calibrate the display as the dimming can affect the results as you are opening up the menus etc.

Aaron
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