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post #1861 of 3645
It seems like the general consensus is that that F8000 is a decent step-up from last year's models. If I'm holding out for the 75", is it reasonable to assume that it will have a similar quality jump over the current 75" (9000) model?
post #1862 of 3645
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Originally Posted by skelly6 View Post

It seems like the general consensus is that that F8000 is a decent step-up from last year's models. If I'm holding out for the 75", is it reasonable to assume that it will have a similar quality jump over the current 75" (9000) model?

The F8000 75 inches is $8,000 suggested retail price as of March 20 posted by Samsung.
post #1863 of 3645
Thanks for the opinions, I was asking because i currently have a full array tv although its vizio xvt3d554sv it seems to be a good set im not a pro either and not into the apps in all that either strictly pic quality no plasma and I have an itch for an upgrade. I'm assuming the samsung or the sony is an upgrade I just didn't want to go from full array to edge lit and be let down compared to the vizio, I want the best tv because it going to last me until the 4k oled sony and panasonic are making becoming affordable I plan on getting the 65 inch in either set so time will tell, I"ll look through these forums and hopefully come to a decision soon.
post #1864 of 3645
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Originally Posted by skelly6 View Post

It seems like the general consensus is that that F8000 is a decent step-up from last year's models. If I'm holding out for the 75", is it reasonable to assume that it will have a similar quality jump over the current 75" (9000) model?

I expect the 75" 8000 to be an improvement over the ES9000, but I don't think there will be as big of a difference between the two sets as it looks like there is between the ES8000 and the F8000 based on the early reviews. The 9000 already has some of the features of the F8000 that were missing from the ES8000 (i.e. micro dimming ultimate and precision black).
Edited by gweempose - 3/23/13 at 6:24pm
post #1865 of 3645
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Originally Posted by skelly6 View Post

It seems like the general consensus is that that F8000 is a decent step-up from last year's models. If I'm holding out for the 75", is it reasonable to assume that it will have a similar quality jump over the current 75" (9000) model?

Personally, I believe it's far too early to assume it's a step-up from last year. While it does seem that way from early reviews, there are very few owners of the set currently, and remember that last year, the pro reviews were also very favorable and spoke pretty highly of the ES series, even though they ended up having many issues once people started buying them and realizing the faults.

Once previous owners of last year's sets start buying this year's, then we'll really start to hear if the sets are indeed an improvement.
post #1866 of 3645
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

Personally, I believe it's far too early to assume it's a step-up from last year. While it does seem that way from early reviews, there are very few owners of the set currently, and remember that last year, the pro reviews were also very favorable and spoke pretty highly of the ES series, even though they ended up having many issues once people started buying them and realizing the faults.

Once previous owners of last year's sets start buying this year's, then we'll really start to hear if the sets are indeed an improvement.

I think in general hdtvtest.co.uk is the most reliable in terms of reviews. Granted they reviewing the European TVs but they are usually much more accurate And thorough than CNET it least, in my opinion. Going by what he said on that review I think it's pretty clear at least the European model is this clear step up from last years model.
post #1867 of 3645
Yep, it looks like Samsung really hit a bulls eye in the plasma market and will do damage to Panasonic revenue...possibly.

Although not a plasma enthusiast I look forward to doing my own tests at the Magnolia store later thus year.
post #1868 of 3645
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Originally Posted by sonyfan View Post

The F8000 75 inches is $8,000 suggested retail price as of March 20 posted by Samsung.

I'm pretty sure MSRP is $9K, expected street price--meaning the lowest Samsung will let you go-- is $8K
post #1869 of 3645
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

I don't know why the 8500 info is in the 8000 thread but here goes.

The 8500 MLL of .001 Foot Lamberts is half that of the 65VT50 .002. That alone is impressive and is closing in on the Kuro and Sharp Elite .0004 FtL.

The biggest deal in my opinion is the max Luminance of 66 FtL. No more excuses that the panel doesn't put out enough light for a bright room.

Are they getting around ABL??????

The only mention of ABL is..

The ABL is tamer than previous models from all manufacturers, but still there.


Since I am not a calibrator, what is ABL?
post #1870 of 3645
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Originally Posted by anis_ber View Post

The review said F8500 MLL is 0.001 an not 0.01

Isn't that what he said?
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

Isn't that what he said?
my bad, I missed one "0"
post #1872 of 3645
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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post



Since I am not a calibrator, what is ABL?

Automatic Brightness Limiter - think voltage regulator.
post #1873 of 3645
Seems to be some confusion on this thread - it is dedicated to the F8000 which is the Samsung LCD/LED tv model family - not the F8500 Plasma model family.

Perhaps we could start a different thread for those wishing to discuss the F8500 (no disrespect meant to those folks) and keep this one on track for those interested primarily in the LED/LCD model family F8000 (and of course comparisons when necessary).

Not trying to be a dad or admin, but hard to get through all the posts that have nothing to do with the F8000.
post #1874 of 3645
Also, not sure everyone here saw this thread posted in the news section, but it provides (at the bottom) some suggested pricing and release dates that were apparently provided by Samsung. Not sure about the source original poster, so take with the appropriate number of grains of salt:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1464656/samsung-2013-hdtv-and-uhdtv-features-availability-and-pricing
post #1875 of 3645
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Originally Posted by sony1717 View Post

Also, not sure everyone here saw this thread posted in the news section, but it provides (at the bottom) some suggested pricing and release dates that were apparently provided by Samsung. Not sure about the source original poster, so take with the appropriate number of grains of salt:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1464656/samsung-2013-hdtv-and-uhdtv-features-availability-and-pricing

Thanks for the link! It looks like the 75 incher isn't going to be available until May. Bummer. I was hoping it was going to be sooner than that. frown.gif

post #1876 of 3645
Just please, please, please let the April date be good for the 65".

I have the UN65ES8000 which is due to be returned at any moment...and I need a TV...
post #1877 of 3645
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Originally Posted by sony1717 View Post

Seems to be some confusion on this thread - it is dedicated to the F8000 which is the Samsung LCD/LED tv model family - not the F8500 Plasma model family.

Perhaps we could start a different thread for those wishing to discuss the F8500 (no disrespect meant to those folks) and keep this one on track for those interested primarily in the LED/LCD model family F8000 (and of course comparisons when necessary).

Not trying to be a dad or admin, but hard to get through all the posts that have nothing to do with the F8000.

Your point is valid, but I don't have a problem discussing other TVs in this thread, as long as they are being compared to the F8000. A lot of people are still very confused about the latest crop of sets coming out, and the comparisons can help them narrow down their buying options.
Edited by gweempose - 3/24/13 at 10:06am
post #1878 of 3645
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Originally Posted by sony1717 View Post

Seems to be some confusion on this thread - it is dedicated to the F8000 which is the Samsung LCD/LED tv model family - not the F8500 Plasma model family.

Perhaps we could start a different thread for those wishing to discuss the F8500 (no disrespect meant to those folks) and keep this one on track for those interested primarily in the LED/LCD model family F8000 (and of course comparisons when necessary).

Not trying to be a dad or admin, but hard to get through all the posts that have nothing to do with the F8000.

Strongly agree. I prefer we not talk about plasmas unless it's in comparison. This thread got sidetracked pretty bad with plasma talk.
post #1879 of 3645
Plasma folks love to BUZZ about their BUZZING plasmas!

Hard to stop them from infiltrating.

May for the 75 inch - quite a $ difference vs the 65. Will be a tough decision for me but probably will go with the 75.
post #1880 of 3645
I think the cool thing about the 75" is that it retains the same design as the rest of the F8000 model family unlike last years 75" that looked nothing like the ES8000 series.

Too bad I don't have room for that or it would be an obvious choice.

I've Googled and can't seem to find the source of the Estimated Release dates that I posted a link to above from the other Samsung News thread.

Wondering where that came from (not on Samsung's news section of their site either).

Hope it is right as Robert from VE had said the 60" and 65" were not due until May. Then again, April can mean April 30th which essentially would be May before any stores or Amazon had them to ship...
post #1881 of 3645
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

Your point is valid, but I don't have a problem discussing other TVs in this thread, as long as they are being compared to the F8000. A lot of people are still very confused about the latest crop of sets coming out, and the comparisons can help them narrow down their buying options.


I have been putting up the F8500 plasma data only because I am an LED (55B8000) owner and want to get a 65F8000. But I have been comparing the differences between the 8000 and the 8500 as the new info has been arriving and thought others might also like the info.

It won't happen again.
post #1882 of 3645
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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

I have been putting up the F8500 plasma data only because I am an LED (55B8000) owner and want to get a 65F8000. But I have been comparing the differences between the 8000 and the 8500 as the new info has been arriving and thought others might also like the info.

It won't happen again.

Personally, I don't mind, because the information is valuable to me. I could live without the bickering, however.

But rules is rules around here, I suppose. Maybe someone could start a new thread called "The great Samsung 2013 Plasma vs LED pissing contest" or something . biggrin.gif
post #1883 of 3645
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Originally Posted by sony1717 View Post

Just please, please, please let the April date be good for the 65".

I have the UN65ES8000 which is due to be returned at any moment...and I need a TV...

I feel your pain. I'm good for now, though, but I'd sure like a nice shiny new TV in time for the NFL.... cool.gif
post #1884 of 3645
Hello All.

I must admit I have not posted to this forum in a long while although I do follow along from time to time. I am in the market for a new LED TV and have been following the F8000 closely. I also wanted to understand exact differences from this set and the F7500? I have seen some information post CES but I think there is some confusion on the exact differences. Some reviews point to it not having the quad core processor and the black precision filter as well as the camera and microphone. If the differences are just related to the camera then I would be inclined to look at the F7500, if the picture quality is comparable, as I have no need to Skype from my TV. Also from the general Samsung information it seems like all the Smart TV sets are fully DLNA compliant, does anyone have any opinions with the F8000 on this, in terms of standard formats support?
Cheers
Kay
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Can anyone with an F8000 confirm if an Xbox Kinect will mount ok in the center of the screen on top using the on-tv mount ( http://www.amazon.com/Kinect-Sensor-Mount-Clip-Xbox-360/dp/B005IU8A5O/ref=pd_cp_vg_1 ) or does the camera bulge interfere. Or is the bezel so thin the part of the mount that hangs over the front protrudes into the screen area?

Thanks!
post #1886 of 3645
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

Thanks for the link! It looks like the 75 incher isn't going to be available until May. Bummer. I was hoping it was going to be sooner than that. frown.gif


Pretty good starting point for pricing.. When i was i the market for the ES in august/ sept. the 60 inch and 65 inch were at the same prices listed here.
post #1887 of 3645
Actually it turns out 9g Kuro's are 0.001 MLL.

Also the meter used to get the 0.001 MLL from the F8500 was confirmed today by D-Nice.

EDIT: Researching known BL values, it looks like the average MLL of the 9G Elite (141FD) is actually 0.001 (with D-Nice able to achieve 0.0005 and lower on some panels). I'm not really qualifying those lower numbers since only one person is known to be able to pull it off using some proprietary method. It looks like this Samsung might be a match actually. We are talking about minutiae to be fair, but I watch for the sake of escapism, in a dark setting, with hardly any other usage of the panel. The deeper the blacks, the more escapist and immersive the experience.
Edited by vinnie97 - Yesterday at 11:22 pm

UPDATE*****
Just got word that Kevin Miller is now using the K-10A.
Measurements are valid.
Edited by D-Nice - Today at 12:05 pm
post #1888 of 3645
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Originally Posted by sonyfan View Post

Actually it turns out 9g Kuro's are 0.001 MLL.

Also the meter used to get the 0.001 MLL from the F8500 was confirmed today by D-Nice.

EDIT: Researching known BL values, it looks like the average MLL of the 9G Elite (141FD) is actually 0.001 (with D-Nice able to achieve 0.0005 and lower on some panels). I'm not really qualifying those lower numbers since only one person is known to be able to pull it off using some proprietary method. It looks like this Samsung might be a match actually. We are talking about minutiae to be fair, but I watch for the sake of escapism, in a dark setting, with hardly any other usage of the panel. The deeper the blacks, the more escapist and immersive the experience.
Edited by vinnie97 - Yesterday at 11:22 pm

UPDATE*****
Just got word that Kevin Miller is now using the K-10A.
Measurements are valid.
Edited by D-Nice - Today at 12:05 pm

You didn't believe me? lololol

And about those Kuros....

D-Nice - "It varies based on generation, size and build date.

The 2nd generation ranged from 0.0025fL to 0.0004fL."
post #1889 of 3645
My F8000 was just loaded on the truck in Tampa so anticipated delivery for tomorrow should be correct. I'll be putting up an ANSI checkerboard pattern and measuring black with various combinations of auto settings. And yes, I use a Klein K10-A as well.

Measuring Range: 0.00002-2919 fL
post #1890 of 3645
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Originally Posted by BillKen View Post

Can anyone with an F8000 confirm if an Xbox Kinect will mount ok in the center of the screen on top using the on-tv mount ( http://www.amazon.com/Kinect-Sensor-Mount-Clip-Xbox-360/dp/B005IU8A5O/ref=pd_cp_vg_1 ) or does the camera bulge interfere. Or is the bezel so thin the part of the mount that hangs over the front protrudes into the screen area?

Thanks!

I tried doing it. I have the same mount. i have to say its not an option if you want to place it at the centre.
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