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post #2101 of 3655
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Originally Posted by BassMonger1 View Post

Are you sure it is ce dimming? I was in best buy picking the thing apart for an hour and that somehow made it past me. I'm going to have to take another look soon. I made sure dynamic contrast was disabled as well as the Eco settings that not only adjust brightness based on lighting conditions but also based on the content of the screen. This limits brightness of images with more white and lowers it for content that is darker somewhat mimicking abl for brights and ce for darks. I haven't seen much buzz about what you're talking about on the owners thread so I'm hoping it was just a goofy setting. While at best buy I definitely did not notice what you are describing.

Well what I can say is it appeared to act just as CE-Dimming did last year. I didn't have thew remote tonight, so I couldn't play with the settings, but last time I was there, I did disable everything I possibly could, and it still did the same dimming. Ultimately, I don't think I'll end up knowing exactly how bad the CE-dimming is on this set unless I eventually get one and try it out. I'm very familiar with it from my experience last year. An hour with the set and my test clips from last year and I'll have a very good idea if it's reduced or if there's a way to disable it (doubtful).

The question is, will CE-dimming affect movie mode too? It didn't last year - that was good. But micro-dimming was also disabled in movie mode last year - that was bad.
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

You may run into it on non credit sequences in certain movies. The start of chapter 2 of Prometheus and the pre-credit intro to Cars 2 during the radio transmission.

The opening credits for Star Trek - The Next Generation send the CE-Dimming into overdrive as the Enterprise and planets and suns whoosh past the screen against the backdrop of space.
post #2103 of 3655
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

The opening credits for Star Trek - The Next Generation send the CE-Dimming into overdrive as the Enterprise and planets and suns whoosh past the screen against the backdrop of space.

Let me take a look at those opening credits and I'll let you know if I see the dimming.

Edit: The results are in! I didn't see any dimming during the opening credits. On a related note, SD content looks great on the F8000.
Edited by AGuy01 - 3/30/13 at 4:20am
post #2104 of 3655
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Originally Posted by AGuy01 View Post

Let me take a look at those opening credits and I'll let you know if I see the dimming.

Edit: The results are in! I didn't see any dimming during the opening credits. On a related note, SD content looks great on the F8000.

And another glitch bites the dust!! Thanks AGUY. Now I am very Hopeful the 65" will be of equal PQ.
Check6.
post #2105 of 3655
The only time I see dimming is when content goes completely black, because it seems to turn off the LEDs/pixels, similar to how a hybrid car might momentarily turn off its engine during stops. That's why I notice it during certain end credit sequences, where the background is black and then a name will flash on the screen. But because most actual content doesn't just fade to absolute black for several moments and/or constantly, I have yet to spot it in all the games and movies I've watched. It's been a non-issue.

With the Next Generation opening credits, there's always something on the screen, even if the image is generally dark. Stars trail across space. Text flashes. The camera zooms past planets. And so it never dimmed. Again, I could only spot it when content would go completely black for more than a moment, like flashing end credits against black backgrounds. Then the screen would have to brighten up again as text was displayed. I've never spotted it during any other moments.

I take it the dimming on the ES series would occur during darker scenes, even if the screen wasn't absolutely black, and obvious during dark to light scene transitions?
Edited by AGuy01 - 3/30/13 at 5:27am
post #2106 of 3655
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

It never uses 560 watts. That's basically the maximum power it can draw. Plasmas -- unlike LCDs -- vary their power usage with picture content. With my Kill-a-Watt, I can tell you my calibrated VT50 uses a bit over 300 watts on average.

By the way, I can feel the heat 3 feet away from my HP Envy laptop, too. That doesn't mean it can heat the room.

My statement on mine is accurate, but as I've said, my room could be the factor. A 16x10 ft room, with the door and windows closed, with a 55" surface radiating even 2 degrees of heat for 2+ hours DOES warm the room from cool to comfortable, and depending on how cool the room started out, it can go from typical room temperature to slightly too warm for comfort in the span of a 2+ hour movie. I know for fact it is the tv as the only thing that has changed in that room IS the TV. I know it is also the plasma tv specifically as I have had 3 plasma's in that room with all the same result (admittedly the 42" that went in there initially took longer than 2 hours to do so, but watching LOTR extended editions had same result) and the warming abruptly stopped when I tried an LCD, and yes I even went and made sure my thermostat hadn't been messed with.
post #2107 of 3655
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Originally Posted by jetjocky View Post

And another glitch bites the dust!! Thanks AGUY. Now I am very Hopeful the 65" will be of equal PQ.
Check6.

You seem to be the forgetting the number one concern in regards to the 65F8000..... will they have reduced the amount of noticeable vertical banding. It certainly should be doable as the 65HX950 apparently used the exact same S-PVA panel as the 65ES8000 and had minimal banding compared to the Samsung. The 65F8000 is also apparently using the same 65 inch S-PVA panel as well, so if Sony can minimize the banding, Samsung should be able to as well given they've had a three full years to try to correct the issue.
post #2108 of 3655
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Originally Posted by AGuy01 View Post

The only time I see dimming is when content goes completely black, because it seems to turn off the LEDs/pixels, similar to how a hybrid car might momentarily turn off its engine during stops. That's why I notice it during certain end credit sequences, where the background is black and then a name will flash on the screen. But because most actual content doesn't just fade to absolute black for several moments and/or constantly, I have yet to spot it in all the games and movies I've watched. It's been a non-issue.

With the Next Generation opening credits, there's always something on the screen, even if the image is generally dark. Stars trail across space. Text flashes. The camera zooms past planets. And so it never dimmed. Again, I could only spot it when content would go completely black for more than a moment, like flashing end credits against black backgrounds. Then the screen would have to brighten up again as text was displayed. I've never spotted it during any other moments.

I take it the dimming on the ES series would occur during darker scenes, even if the screen wasn't absolutely black, and obvious during dark to light scene transitions?

When there are opening/end credits and you see the screen slightly dim, that's because the top and bottom is being dimmed to reduce flash lighting when you have an otherwise black screen with minimal things being lit such as "credits". This is "cinema black" personified. When there is nothing on screen at all, that's when the LEDs are turned off completely otherwise the screen would look like a cloudy train wreck. Even full array with local dimming would look like a train wreck on an all black screen with the local dimming disabled.

That's why I referenced those two non credit scenes in an earlier post that will dim as a result of the cinema black. It's not necessarily a flaw as I see it.... but rather the lesser of two evils. With edge-lit, you will either have to deal with flash lighting with dimming disabled OR slight dimming/loss of contrast when employing cinema black.

With the ES8000 in movie mode.... since micro dimming was disabled, those same scenes would display serious flashlighting. In standard mode where micro dimming was enabled, instead of flash lighting.... you would have an overall slight dimming and minor loss of contrast. What would you rather have? I would take the slight dimming and minor loss of contrast over flash lighting any day. KEEP IN MIND, like banding....some may notice it, others may not. If you don't notice it or it doesn't bother you.... then the edge lit dimming technology is working because that is what it is supposed to do.... reduce/minimize flash lighting while trying to minimally impact overall image quality.

One of the main differences between the ES and F series is that the F series has cinema black enabled for all modes except 3D I believe, therefore users aren't faced with that awkward choice of having to use standard instead of movie to avoid flash lighting. Now users can choose whichever mode they prefer and choose to enable or disable the top and bottom dimming based off of personal preference.
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Cmay, thanks for the solid explanation on cinema black in both modes and both models. Yes, my es 60" on fw 1046.2 has zero flashlight in standard mode and minimal and very intermittent in movie mode. I will need to run a few scenes to see how movie mode handles the credits on a black screen in 2:35:1 material.
post #2110 of 3655
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

When there are opening/end credits and you see the screen slightly dim, that's because the top and bottom is being dimmed to reduce flash lighting when you have an otherwise black screen with minimal things being lit such as "credits". This is "cinema black" personified. When there is nothing on screen at all, that's when the LEDs are turned off completely otherwise the screen would look like a cloudy train wreck. Even full array with local dimming would look like a train wreck on an all black screen with the local dimming disabled.

That's why I referenced those two non credit scenes in an earlier post that will dim as a result of the cinema black. It's not necessarily a flaw as I see it.... but rather the lesser of two evils. With edge-lit, you will either have to deal with flash lighting with dimming disabled OR slight dimming/loss of contrast when employing cinema black.

With the ES8000 in movie mode.... since micro dimming was disabled, those same scenes would display serious flashlighting. In standard mode where micro dimming was enabled, instead of flash lighting.... you would have an overall slight dimming and minor loss of contrast. What would you rather have? I would take the slight dimming and minor loss of contrast over flash lighting any day. KEEP IN MIND, like banding....some may notice it, others may not. If you don't notice it or it doesn't bother you.... then the edge lit dimming technology is working because that is what it is supposed to do.... reduce/minimize flash lighting while trying to minimally impact overall image quality.

One of the main differences between the ES and F series is that the F series has cinema black enabled for all modes except 3D I believe, therefore users aren't faced with that awkward choice of having to use standard instead of movie to avoid flash lighting. Now users can choose whichever mode they prefer and choose to enable or disable the top and bottom dimming based off of personal preference.

Thank you cmay for that explanation between both the models and how the cinema black function works in both.
So my question is, is that the only difference between the two models in terms of PQ? I don't really care for the smart hub and the smart features. but if that is the only difference then the ES8000 would be a good deal right now with its current price and also can we tweak the standard mode in ES8000 so we can give it all the required settings for the movie mode, if yes then that way we can have micro dimming enabled.

In other words copying all the movie mode settings in the standard mode so we have the micro dimming enabled. Not sure but hope for an answer
post #2111 of 3655
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Originally Posted by pred1973 View Post

My statement on mine is accurate, but as I've said, my room could be the factor. A 16x10 ft room, with the door and windows closed, with a 55" surface radiating even 2 degrees of heat for 2+ hours DOES warm the room from cool to comfortable, and depending on how cool the room started out, it can go from typical room temperature to slightly too warm for comfort in the span of a 2+ hour movie. I know for fact it is the tv as the only thing that has changed in that room IS the TV. I know it is also the plasma tv specifically as I have had 3 plasma's in that room with all the same result (admittedly the 42" that went in there initially took longer than 2 hours to do so, but watching LOTR extended editions had same result) and the warming abruptly stopped when I tried an LCD, and yes I even went and made sure my thermostat hadn't been messed with.

I felt the warmth of the F8500 and VT50 when I was either close to the screen or under the tent blanket. It was pretty obvious. How much it would warm up my room I have no idea. However, my 60" Kuro warmed our living room noticeably when it was on for hours. Today's plasmas are more energy efficient, but even a 300 watt light in a closed off area, can produce some noticeable degree of warming.

As to how many care at all about this, who knows? Even if the warming does take place, it can be an advantage in the cooler months. I obviously prefer the energy efficiency of LED, but if you prefer plasma, than you probably can live with that aspect of its poorer energy efficiency. For me it would not be the prime determining factor. I suppose if every other aspect of my purchasing decision was exactly the same (screen size, PQ etc.) between two panels, then I could use the energy efficiency argument in my selection.
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

Thank you cmay for that explanation between both the models and how the cinema black function works in both.
So my question is, is that the only difference between the two models in terms of PQ? I don't really care for the smart hub and the smart features. but if that is the only difference then the ES8000 would be a good deal right now with its current price and also can we tweak the standard mode in ES8000 so we can give it all the required settings for the movie mode, if yes then that way we can have micro dimming enabled.

In other words copying all the movie mode settings in the standard mode so we have the micro dimming enabled. Not sure but hope for an answer

I'll have to defer to Bladerunner on that question as he is the "guru" when it comes to standard mode settings with the ES8000. He also still has the set where as I don't so I can't give an accurate assessment on truly comparing movie mode with the 1046 update and it's top and bottom zone dimming compared to standard with microdimming enabled.
post #2113 of 3655
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

I'll have to defer to Bladerunner on that question as he is the "guru" when it comes to standard mode settings with the ES8000. He also still has the set where as I don't so I can't give an accurate assessment on truly comparing movie mode with the 1046 update and it's top and bottom zone dimming compared to standard with microdimming enabled.

Thank you, would appreciate it
post #2114 of 3655
Halimali, I will do my best as I am humbled by my buddy Cmays' endorsement. smile.gif

I use both standard and movie modes. They are very close in their settings however the difference is Movie provides more accurate colors (most noticeable in greens and reds) and an edge in color separation and sharper color detail however intermittent flashlight is there but I am mostly in movie mode due to its overall amazing pic. Standard has zero flashlight.

I (we) would just need to experiment with color settings in standard mode in effort to get std color closer to movie color. That said its subtle and if someone switched my tv modes I nay not notice it until I saw alot of greenery , jungles..golf etc, and realized the green push.

I use warm1 color in std and standard color tone in movie mode.

That said, I saw the f8000 and absolutely think the pricing is on the es is way to good to pass up. The es is amazing, a top 5 panel on the planet at worse right now at any price point. I don't think there will be much ES availability when pricing is close.

There have been many sparring between us all about that top group of panels out there...and that's a great thing.

At same price or a minimal surcharge sure I would grab an F, but at the difference in pricing now, no way !!!

Like you, I just want a "dumb" panel with a great pic because I do all streaming from Sammy smarthub via my bd-e6500 which is updated to all apps.

I hope this helps.
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

Well what I can say is it appeared to act just as CE-Dimming did last year. I didn't have thew remote tonight, so I couldn't play with the settings, but last time I was there, I did disable everything I possibly could, and it still did the same dimming. Ultimately, I don't think I'll end up knowing exactly how bad the CE-dimming is on this set unless I eventually get one and try it out. I'm very familiar with it from my experience last year. An hour with the set and my test clips from last year and I'll have a very good idea if it's reduced or if there's a way to disable it (doubtful).

The question is, will CE-dimming affect movie mode too? It didn't last year - that was good. But micro-dimming was also disabled in movie mode last year - that was bad.

can you grab a remote and investigate? make sure it's in movie mode and eco is off. in fact, turn off everything that can be turned off.

you may have to sneak in your own remote smile.gif
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My buddy just bought an F8000 from Future Shop and I was over the other day helping him to set it up. I though I'd share my findings smile.gif Firstly, I was under the impression that the sets we have here in Canada are the same as the US but there are some differences in the option menu settings. For starters there is no Smart LED option and Cinema Black has OFF/LOW/MED/HIGH as opposed to just off and on. One thing I noticed is that CB dims the picture if set to above the low option. In regards to CE dimming, It is pretty noticeable in standard mode. I did some tinkering/testing and the only way I was able to defeat it or make it less noticeable is by upping the brightness to around 55. It's not there in movie mode but like last year there is no option to turn on micro dimming. I'm not sure what Smart LED does and I'm curious if that would have made a difference. We also played Call of Duty (online) and we tested it on both his older Sony and F8. We did notice more lag in the F even in game mode. It's wasn't unplayable but if you're a hardcore gamer with a short temper and susceptible to lag you'll most likely be throwing your controller at something lol.
Edited by Kayvin - 3/30/13 at 12:04pm
post #2117 of 3655
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Originally Posted by jetjocky View Post

And another glitch bites the dust!! Thanks AGUY. Now I am very Hopeful the 65" will be of equal PQ.
Check6.

I thank everyone in here who shares their experiences. And I don't mean to sound untrusting. But based on experiences last year, I trust my own eyes. Many people insist they can't see a certain issue when others do. Those users who have been using 1186-based Realtek media players may be familiar with a very-common well-known issue now that invloves the chip unable to play 23.976 content at 23.976 - it plays them at 24.000, causing a stutter every 42 seconds. I use this as an example because many in those threads insist there is no stutter - even though it has been clearly proven that there is a measurable stutter due to the 24.000 playback. Point is, not everybody sees everything the same.

No offense meant to anybody here, but I'll believe the dimming is unnoticeable when I see it for myself. I saw the dimming with my own eyes in Best Buy twice now, with all settings including ECO mode off, so I have to beleve that CE-Dimming is still alive and well this year, with no control over it, as usual. If some can't see it in their viewing environment, that's great that they aren't bothered by it. That's doesn't mean, however, that it is not there, based on one person's observations. Again, no offense is intended. I do appreciate everybody's input. Together, that's how we all learn about these sets.
post #2118 of 3655
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Originally Posted by AGuy01 View Post

The only time I see dimming is when content goes completely black, because it seems to turn off the LEDs/pixels, similar to how a hybrid car might momentarily turn off its engine during stops. That's why I notice it during certain end credit sequences, where the background is black and then a name will flash on the screen. But because most actual content doesn't just fade to absolute black for several moments and/or constantly, I have yet to spot it in all the games and movies I've watched. It's been a non-issue.

With the Next Generation opening credits, there's always something on the screen, even if the image is generally dark. Stars trail across space. Text flashes. The camera zooms past planets. And so it never dimmed. Again, I could only spot it when content would go completely black for more than a moment, like flashing end credits against black backgrounds. Then the screen would have to brighten up again as text was displayed. I've never spotted it during any other moments.

I take it the dimming on the ES series would occur during darker scenes, even if the screen wasn't absolutely black, and obvious during dark to light scene transitions?

Since you mention it, my experience with CE-Dimming last year during that opening sequence is, the screen is dimmed before the sun and planets start whooshing by. You may not notice the screen is even dimmed, since the black space shot looks nice. But then the camera zooms by the sun, and the screen pops in brightness just as the sun passes, followed by the planets as the camera pans. then the screen dims again instantly. Later, as the ship roars by, filling the screen with the bright ship, the screen jumps in brightness again. Then it dims when the screen goes to black space. As the titles appear and disappear in light blue, and the names come and go, the screen jumps up and down in brightness - because just the bright blue names appearing against the otherwise black space is enough to cause the Ce-Dimming to go back and forth. This was my experience last year, which was easily repeatable over and over, every time. When I applied the "workaround", bumping the brightness to close to 60 and dropping the offsets down to compensate, that opening sequence became rock-solid stable. Reset the offsets and put the brightness back to 46, and bam!, the brightness jumps came right back again.

I'm just posting this for reference. If they have indeed improved how it affects normal viewing this year, then bless them at Samsung. But this is how it was like last year with this sequence. My girlfriend on the other hand never noticed it during that sequence until I pointed it out to her. Thanks for posting your results - I'm really hoping that this year, the effect is so subtle as to be a non-issue. But I still don't see why we can't just have control over the dimming. Would that kill Samsung, to just let us have a choice in the matter?
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

can you grab a remote and investigate? make sure it's in movie mode and eco is off. in fact, turn off everything that can be turned off.

you may have to sneak in your own remote smile.gif

I won't get a chance this weekend, but in a few days I will try to get back to a local store and try out a remote again, and I'll investigate a bit more. I'll disable all possible enhancements in both standard and movie modes, and see if observe any hints of dimming during some of the clips that are played. I'm anxious to try it out again, but this weekend is a busy one with relatives for the holiday.
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I'm still confused too over the difference between Smart LED and Cinema Black. I though Cinema Black was meant to only affect the top and bottom Cinemascop bars, but apparently it affects the whole screen? Then what does Smart LED do? Is that micro-dimming? Is it motion-based?

Thanks to everyone who is taking the time to try and make sense of all this and help the rest of us understand the different terminology. Smart LED is a new one this year in the menu, even though last year the sets were called "Smart LED" sets. Oh Samsung, how you like to tease with your terminology!
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I'm still confused too over the difference between Smart LED and Cinema Black. I though Cinema Black was meant to only affect the top and bottom Cinemascop bars, but apparently it affects the whole screen? Then what does Smart LED do? Is that micro-dimming? Is it motion-based?

Thanks to everyone who is taking the time to try and make sense of all this and help the rest of us understand the different terminology. Smart LED is a new one this year in the menu, even though last year the sets were called "Smart LED" sets. Oh Samsung, how you like to tease with your terminology!

Hmmm.... let me give it a try with my best guesstimate as Samsung's multitude of terminologies for dimming technology is quite frankly absurd.

Smart LED - This year's micro dimming but with full user control except in 3D mode? meaning the user can toggle it on/off in various modes where as in the ES8000, microdimming was disabled in Movie mode but enabled in Standard mode.

CE dimming - when the light output is completely shut off during transitions to all black thus preventing an ugly cloudy mess of a black screen?

Cinema Black - Dimming of the top and bottom zones to enhance black levels for letterbox material. Was included in the D8000, removed from the ES8000, but is now back in it's full glory (user controlled) with the F8000 series.

Shadow Detail - The mysterious feature that was removed from the ES8000 via firmware was actually................. wait for it............. cinema black!

Not saying any of this is correct.... just my best guess.
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Smart LED - This year's micro dimming but with full user control except in 3D mode? meaning the user can toggle it on/off in various modes where as in the ES8000, microdimming was disabled in Movie mode but enabled in Standard mode.

If this is correct, then movie mode with Smart LED enabled would potentially be the best of both worlds (i.e. no CE-dimming but deep blacks).
post #2123 of 3655
All the questions are complicated for sure but, right now on my es...Watching "the Hobbit" 2d in movie mode and I have not seen flashlights.

Maybe fw 1046.2 was better than I ever thought. I do see flashlight when at the bluray player menu, but not when actually playing a bluray. Weird but good weird. I need to observe more going forward.

3d still shows flaslight but with backlight on 20 in movie or standard so no surprise there.
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Hmmm.... let me give it a try with my best guesstimate as Samsung's multitude of terminologies for dimming technology is quite frankly absurd.

Smart LED - This year's micro dimming but with full user control except in 3D mode? meaning the user can toggle it on/off in various modes where as in the ES8000, microdimming was disabled in Movie mode but enabled in Standard mode.

CE dimming - when the light output is completely shut off during transitions to all black thus preventing an ugly cloudy mess of a black screen?

Cinema Black - Dimming of the top and bottom zones to enhance black levels for letterbox material. Was included in the D8000, removed from the ES8000, but is now back in it's full glory (user controlled) with the F8000 series.

Shadow Detail - The mysterious feature that was removed from the ES8000 via firmware was actually................. wait for it............. cinema black!

Not saying any of this is correct.... just my best guess.

I used to think that with CE-Dimming, it not only controlled shutting off the light output completely during transitions to black, but also controlled the auto-dimming of the screen as I have referred to in previous posts, like when the scene is very dark with very little light areas (like film credits as an example, or some dark night scenes). I thought that was all controlled by CE-Dimming, but now I just don't know.

It doesn't help that "Micro-Dimming" may be called "Smart LED" (if that's what it is now), or that "Shadow Detail" has morphed into "Cinema Black" (if it has).

I wonder about "Shadow Detail". As I have linked to previously, the definition of the "shadow detail" setting in the C-series sets by Samsung was as follows:

"The Shadow detail option on the TV functions to automatically dim the TV for low light scenes to enhance the black levels. Because this dimming is automatic and based on the signal depending on how this option is set it can enhance or degrade the image."

That sounds to me like "Shadow Detail" (that may possibly now be called "Cinema Black"?) may actually control the auto-dimming I dislike, rather than CE-Dimming, which I always thought was responsible for it.

If all this is true, then it sounds like this year we may have full control over both Micro-Dimming and all auto-dimming functions in all modes? If so, that would truly be wonderful. But is that the case? It seems that I disabled everything I possibly could at Best Buy and still saw auto-dimming kicking in, but I will have another go at it when I get the chance.
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

If this is correct, then movie mode with Smart LED enabled would potentially be the best of both worlds (i.e. no CE-dimming but deep blacks).

Potentially, if all this is indeed true and we are correct in these assumptions.
post #2126 of 3655
I own a 55F8000 from Samsung and don't really see the vertical banding straight on, but definitely from the side and it's very noticeable. Maybe 45 degrees out and further. Wondering if I should swap under warranty, but only have had for about a week. Anybody else confirm?
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Originally Posted by Sean Hoyt View Post

I own a 55F8000 from Samsung and don't really see the vertical banding straight on, but definitely from the side and it's very noticeable. Maybe 45 degrees out and further. Wondering if I should swap under warranty, but only have had for about a week. Anybody else confirm?

Do you see the vertical banding straight on? If not, it's a non issue. All LEDs, even small ones like the 55 will display vertical banding to some degree, especially during panning sequences or sports. Seeing the banding from a 45 degree angle is normal. Some are just more prone to noticing it compared to others. If you can see the vertical banding straight on under normal viewing conditions, you may want to exchange as this is not as common of an issue for a 55 compared to say a 65 inch LED.
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I thank everyone in here who shares their experiences. And I don't mean to sound untrusting. But based on experiences last year, I trust my own eyes. Many people insist they can't see a certain issue when others do. Those users who have been using 1186-based Realtek media players may be familiar with a very-common well-known issue now that invloves the chip unable to play 23.976 content at 23.976 - it plays them at 24.000, causing a stutter every 42 seconds. I use this as an example because many in those threads insist there is no stutter - even though it has been clearly proven that there is a measurable stutter due to the 24.000 playback. Point is, not everybody sees everything the same.

No offense meant to anybody here, but I'll believe the dimming is unnoticeable when I see it for myself. I saw the dimming with my own eyes in Best Buy twice now, with all settings including ECO mode off, so I have to beleve that CE-Dimming is still alive and well this year, with no control over it, as usual. If some can't see it in their viewing environment, that's great that they aren't bothered by it. That's doesn't mean, however, that it is not there, based on one person's observations. Again, no offense is intended. I do appreciate everybody's input. Together, that's how we all learn about these sets.
Whatever. We hear you.
post #2129 of 3655
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

It affects far more than random clips strung together. That's why I'm concerned. It regularly affected normal viewing last year. Some don't notice it, many do.

its edge lit - is there really anymore to be said? they can't fake it w/o the dimming - it'd be like claiming you have a plasma that can't get IR biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by jetjocky View Post

Whatever. We hear you.

Thanks for the insightful comment.

Whatever indeed.
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