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post #241 of 3645
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Based off of 2012 pricing, I expect the 65F8000 to cost a minimum of $4400 and possibly close to $5000 after tax/delivery.

As for the F8500, I would be shocked if it costs anywhere close to the F8000s since plasma is an inexpensive technology to make nowadays compared to LED. I expect pricing to be competitive with the 65ZT60 or else they are shooting themselves in the foot.

You and jim are very correct! Usually plasma are less then LEDs. Especially if the ZT60 is only $3,500 or close to that, I doubt the F8500 will cost more
post #242 of 3645
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Based off of 2012 pricing, I expect the 65F8000 to cost a minimum of $4400 and possibly close to $5000 after tax/delivery.

As for the F8500, I would be shocked if it costs anywhere close to the F8000s since plasma is an inexpensive technology to make nowadays compared to LED. I expect pricing to be competitive with the 65ZT60 or else they are shooting themselves in the foot.

I can pre-order the 65ZT60 for $3850.00 right now. Therefore, the F8500 will close to the same pricing
post #243 of 3645
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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

I can pre-order the 65ZT60 for $3850.00 right now. Therefore, the F8500 will close to the same pricing

You would think, but then again some of Samsungs decisions regarding their television department sometimes leaves one to wonder what the heck they were thinking.
post #244 of 3645
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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

I can pre-order the 65ZT60 for $3850.00 right now. Therefore, the F8500 will close to the same pricing

I have a feeling that since the Sony HX950 is $5K, and Samsung is now claiming that their new LEDs are just as good as a "Full Array" is, I think they will cost around $5K or more because of the stupid quad core. We also have to remember that Samsung is greedy! More so than Panasonic is.

Jim, can you pre order the 60" also, or just the 65"? If so, how much for the 60"? The thing is, those aren't coming out until May.
post #245 of 3645
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

You would think, but then again some of Samsungs decisions regarding their television department sometimes leaves one to wonder what the heck they were thinking.

Very very true Cmay! Hey, how's your Sony doin?
post #246 of 3645
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Very very true Cmay! Hey, how's your Sony doin?

Hey Anthony... Loving it so far. At least in regards to 65 inch panels, I finally found the one with the screen size, lack of noticeable banding or buzzing (65VT50) and stunning image for both 2D and 3D. Still wished the 65ES8000 had the 2D image quality that the 60 had (that dang banding). I would have settled for the 60 if it had a 3D image as good as the 65. Had to pay a couple thousand more than I was hoping to spend, but finally got what I was looking for.

I would have waited for the 65F8000 if it was guaranteed to have eliminated the noticeable banding issue, but as we've chatted about before.... I'm not holding out hopes since I think they would have been promoting a banding free 65 set since even the Sony and cough ahem dare I say 70 sharp elite exhibit minor banding.
post #247 of 3645
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

You would think, but then again some of Samsungs decisions regarding their television department sometimes leaves one to wonder what the heck they were thinking.


Possibly very true
post #248 of 3645
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Hey Anthony... Loving it so far. At least in regards to 65 inch panels, I finally found the one with the screen size, lack of noticeable banding or buzzing (65VT50) and stunning image for both 2D and 3D. Still wished the 65ES8000 had the 2D image quality that the 60 had (that dang banding). I would have settled for the 60 if it had a 3D image as good as the 65. Had to pay a couple thousand more than I was hoping to spend, but finally got what I was looking for.

I would have waited for the 65F8000 if it was guaranteed to have eliminated the noticeable banding issue, but as we've chatted about before.... I'm not holding out hopes since I think they would have been promoting a banding free 65 set since even the Sony and cough ahem dare I say 70 sharp elite exhibit minor banding.[/

I'm glad your happy now. You deserve to be after what you went through. Samsung should hire you to go work in their production to inspect the panels for banding before they package them..lol!
post #249 of 3645
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Not to be an @$$, but if Samsung put their money into correcting horrible quality control and horrendous vertical banding instead of TVs that you talk and waive to, then perhaps there would not be such a high return rate on Samsungs.

3D on the 65HX950 is on par with the 65ES8000 minus noticeable vertical banding. 3D only had less than favorable reviews because at the time of initial reviews, Sony did not have polarizing 3D glasses. Now that they do, all of the flickering and degradation of image when tilting head are gone. In fact, 3D on the 60ES8000 can't even match the 3D on the 65ES8000 due to the Sharp panel in the 60 being inferior to the Samsung panels in the 65 model.

I'd much rather spend $5000 on a Sony 65HX950 then a 65F8000 unless Samsung finally proves they can eliminate noticeable vertical banding. Otherwise, what use is all of those stupid bells and whistles if you are being smacked in the face with 5 wide vertical bands on every panning shot and many solid backgrounds.

I can't really weigh in on the 65" TV's, I've only ever had extensive experience with the 55" Sony and 60" Samsung. But from what I have seen the Samsung is the better TV overall.

My roommate is a die hard Sony fan, he has a 55" HX950 that is a few months older than my E8000 plasma (before I took it back). This is his third one. The 3D on his 55HX950 is almost unwatchable. He and I both sat down and watched a few 3D movies on my E8000 and his HX950 back to back with each other to compare the 3D and the experience is night and day different. We messed around with the 3D depth settings on his HX950 to try to eliminate the shadow-like overlay that killed the whole 3D feel on his TV. Nothing like that with my E8000 set, you forgot you were even watching a movie it was so smooth. I've only watched a couple 3D movies on my parents ES8000, which is a 60" model, but that was no different than my E8000. I actually preferred the ES8000 because I prefer the smoother movement.

When comparing the two 55" ES8000 and HX950, to me, there is no comparison. Not only is the HX950 normally $500 more than the ES8000(right now the ES is $1000 less), but the PQ is inferior, the 3D is awful, the Smart menu's are sub-par, and the extra features are non-existent.

If I had the extra funds I would've purchased an ES8000 already. The F8000 isn't out yet, so I'm not about to compare it to the ES8000 or HX950.
post #250 of 3645
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Originally Posted by tbris84 View Post

I can't really weigh in on the 65" TV's, I've only ever had extensive experience with the 55" Sony and 60" Samsung. But from what I have seen the Samsung is the better TV overall.

My roommate is a die hard Sony fan, he has a 55" HX950 that is a few months older than my E8000 plasma (before I took it back). This is his third one. The 3D on his 55HX950 is almost unwatchable. He and I both sat down and watched a few 3D movies on my E8000 and his HX950 back to back with each other to compare the 3D and the experience is night and day different. We messed around with the 3D depth settings on his HX950 to try to eliminate the shadow-like overlay that killed the whole 3D feel on his TV. Nothing like that with my E8000 set, you forgot you were even watching a movie it was so smooth. I've only watched a couple 3D movies on my parents ES8000, which is a 60" model, but that was no different than my E8000. I actually preferred the ES8000 because I prefer the smoother movement.

When comparing the two 55" ES8000 and HX950, to me, there is no comparison. Not only is the HX950 normally $500 more than the ES8000(right now the ES is $1000 less), but the PQ is inferior, the 3D is awful, the Smart menu's are sub-par, and the extra features are non-existent.

If I had the extra funds I would've purchased an ES8000 already. The F8000 isn't out yet, so I'm not about to compare it to the ES8000 or HX950.

Sounds like you guys were using the non polarizing Sony 3D glasses. Tell him to go get either the PS3 3D glasses or contact Sony for the free polarizing filters and magically all of the shadow like overlay will be gone. If it isn't, then sorry to say he has a defective HX850.

The Samsung 60ES8000 is a spectacular 2D panel. Terrible 3D panel. It uses a Sharp panel, where as other ES models use Samsung panels made in either Korea or China depending on the size.

And again, not to be an @$$, but if both of you were not smart enough to know that you need the polarizing filters or polarizing 3D glasses, then I'm not putting much stock into your opinion..... if you could back up why you think the PQ was inferior and explain the differences, then it would be a different story and I would be more than happy to hear you out.
post #251 of 3645
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Sounds like you guys were using the non polarizing Sony 3D glasses. Tell him to go get either the PS3 3D glasses or contact Sony for the free polarizing filters and magically all of the shadow like overlay will be gone. If it isn't, then sorry to say he has a defective HX850.

The Samsung 60ES8000 is a spectacular 2D panel. Terrible 3D panel. It uses a Sharp panel, where as other ES models use Samsung panels made in either Korea or China depending on the size.

And again, not to be an @$$, but if both of you were not smart enough to know that you need the polarizing filters or polarizing 3D glasses, then I'm not putting much stock into your opinion..... if you could back up why you think the PQ was inferior and explain the differences, then it would be a different story and I would be more than happy to hear you out.

Ok guys.. Please don't get offended with each other..lol! Cause I like you both

Listen,
Cmay is the 3D pro by now. He's had so many different panels I lost count. So take what he's saying as being honest and not a fanboy to Sony.
post #252 of 3645
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Originally Posted by moonhawk View Post

Sorry for the typo in my own post--oops. I meant F8500, not F800.

But I'm still surprised you think the F8000 will cost more than the F8500. Usually the higher model number means higher up the food chain, which means higher price.

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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

From what I have seen a plasma seem to cost less than an LED. BUT I hope you are correct in that the LED will cost less than the plasma

I see the confusion--I was referring to the European F8500 LED. You meant the F8500 Plasma.

In which case you are most likely correct: The plasmas will be less expensive than the LEDs.

But the F8500 LED will probably out price the F8000. In any case, I wish more of these sets were available in sizes above 65". I'd by an ES759000 if it wasn't so costly. I'm hoping the 75F8000 is less so.
post #253 of 3645
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Sounds like you guys were using the non polarizing Sony 3D glasses. Tell him to go get either the PS3 3D glasses or contact Sony for the free polarizing filters and magically all of the shadow like overlay will be gone. If it isn't, then sorry to say he has a defective HX850.

The Samsung 60ES8000 is a spectacular 2D panel. Terrible 3D panel. It uses a Sharp panel, where as other ES models use Samsung panels made in either Korea or China depending on the size.

And again, not to be an @$$, but if both of you were not smart enough to know that you need the polarizing filters or polarizing 3D glasses, then I'm not putting much stock into your opinion..... if you could back up why you think the PQ was inferior and explain the differences, then it would be a different story and I would be more than happy to hear you out.

One might say the same about you since you are calling the 60ES8000 an amazing panel.
post #254 of 3645
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Originally Posted by dad0118 View Post

One might say the same about you since you are calling the 60ES8000 an amazing panel.

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post #255 of 3645
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

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Cmay is far, far from any fanboy, as am I. You want proof? Go read my review on this TV on Amazon.com back in March. It should be the very 1st review on there. Same name as here, Anthony5362
post #256 of 3645
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

???

I was responding to you criticizing another member for having a lack a credibility when you called the ES8000 in the same post a Spectacular 2D panel and "terrible" 3D panel when the opposite is true. See David's review on Cnet and you will see what I mean (along with the Flat Panel Shootout in which "Experts" rated the ES8000 horribly). The 3D on the set is actually considered to be top notch.

Last summer, I came on this board looking for TV advice and it was people like you that steered me into making the wrong decision and going with an ES8000 initially.

You are providing people (potential buyers) with false information.
post #257 of 3645
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Originally Posted by dad0118 View Post

I was responding to you criticizing another member for having a lack a credibility when you called the ES8000 in the same post a Spectacular 2D panel and "terrible" 3D panel when the opposite is true. See David's review on Cnet and you will see what I mean (along with the Flat Panel Shootout in which "Experts" rated the ES8000 horribly). The 3D on the set is actually considered to be top notch.

Last summer, I came on this board looking for TV advice and it was people like you that steered me into making the wrong decision and going with an ES8000 initially.

You are providing people (potential buyers) with false information.

Ok dad, I have to step in here and correct you. I agree that when David K did his review the set was crap. That's around the time I gave my review also. I wasn't happy with 3 ES8000 TVs up until just last week after this FW update. So, if anyone is steering anyone away from an amazing set right now, its you! Because you have no idea what your missing out on. Do I blame you for returning your 60" back then? NOPE! Cause I would have also. But not anymore.
post #258 of 3645
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Ok dad, I have to step in here and correct you. I agree that when David K did his review the set was crap. That's around the time I gave my review also. I wasn't happy with 3 ES8000 TVs up until just last week after this FW update. So, if anyone is steering anyone away from an amazing set right now, its you! Because you have no idea what your missing out on. Do I blame you for returning your 60" back then? NOPE! Cause I would have also. But not anymore.

And I have to correct you (an obviously bias owner of the ES8000, more than one if I remember right) - I saw the unit in best buy; updated, reset, and using settings recommended on the board and there was NO DIFFERENCE! If anyone out there believes this guy that this set is all the sudden top notch due to a software upgrade, go into the store and check out for yourself.
post #259 of 3645
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Originally Posted by dad0118 View Post

And I have to correct you (an obviously bias owner of the ES8000, more than one if I remember right) - I saw the unit in best buy; updated, reset, and using settings recommended on the board and there was NO DIFFERENCE! If anyone out there believes this guy that this set is all the sudden top notch due to a software upgrade, go into the store and check out for yourself.

Lol! That's so funny because a member was just in the ES8000 thread saying how he was at Best Buy and told the workers there about the update. When they updated the ES8000 right in front of him, the best buys guys mouth dropped to the floor this guy said, and he got on the phone and told the workers to update every single ES8000 to this new 1046.2 FW so they can all look like this and sell better.

I know what your agenda is here and I know what your trying to do, so please everyone go read the ES8000 thread and the AVthread in the UK so you can see that its hundreds of others saying the same exact thing!

You don't believe that a FW update can change anything when Samsung clearly says that their micro dimming tech is "SOFTWARE" based. Do you know what that even means? Software based means it can be modified through FW updates. Just think of how the Sony Playstation 3 updated its FW and magically made it 3D compatible. Even on a aging gaming console. Hmm! I wonder how Sony was able to to that, but Samsung can't change their picture settings and calibrations and their dimming through an update .. PLEASE!

All your doing is trying to make others have to pay top dollar and wait for the F8000. Are you a salesman? Do you work for Panasonic? You can tell from my pics in my avatar that I clearly don't. So who's everyone going to believe here? Someone that owns 3 ES8000 models, and a uncle that own a 75" ES9000 and a 60" ES8000 and many, many more Samsung TVs or you who owns nothing ? As you can see from my pics of my home, we have a lot of rooms to fill which means there are tons of TVs in my house
Edited by Anthony5362 - 2/5/13 at 4:10pm
post #260 of 3645
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Lol! That's so funny because a member was just in the ES8000 thread saying how he was at Best Buy and told the workers there about the update. When they updated the ES8000 right in front of him, the best buys guys mouth dropped to the floor this guy said, and he got on the phone and told the workers to update every single ES8000 to this new 1046.2 FW so they can all look like this and sell better.

I know what your agenda is here and I know what your trying to do, so please everyone go read the ES8000 thread and the AVthread in the UK so you can see that its hundreds of others saying the same exact thing!

You don't believe that a FW update can change anything when Samsung clearly says that their micro dimming tech is "SOFTWARE" based. Do you know what that even means? Software based means it can be modified through FW updates. Just think of how the Sony Playstation 3 updated its FW and magically made it 3D compatible. Even on a aging gaming console. Hmm! I wonder how Sony was able to to that, but Samsung can't change their picture settings and calibrations and their dimming through an update .. PLEASE!

Anthony, Trust me - you are the one posting nonstop about the ES8000 on this 2013 model thread and you are going to tell me I'm the one looking like I have an agenda?

Buddy, I already have the best TV out there (P65VT50) and came to this thread to talk about the F8000 which I had hoped would make a good spare TV for one of our bedrooms. But I cannot sit back and listen to you and whoever else provide false info to people in the market for a new TV.
post #261 of 3645
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post


You don't believe that a FW update can change anything when Samsung clearly says that their micro dimming tech is "SOFTWARE" based. Do you know what that even means? Software based means it can be modified through FW updates. Just think of how the Sony Playstation 3 updated its FW and magically made it 3D compatible. Even on a aging gaming console. Hmm! I wonder how Sony was able to to that, but Samsung can't change their picture settings and calibrations and their dimming through an update .. PLEASE!

Yes I do believe it to be impossible for improvements in some things such as viewing angle to be improved via software upgrades. But maybe I am wrong. Maybe my own eyes in Best Buy deceived me and you own the only TV to ever accomplish such a feat.
post #262 of 3645
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Lol! That's so funny because a member was just in the ES8000 thread saying how he was at Best Buy and told the workers there about the update. When they updated the ES8000 right in front of him, the best buys guys mouth dropped to the floor this guy said, and he got on the phone and told the workers to update every single ES8000 to this new 1046.2 FW so they can all look like this and sell better.

I know what your agenda is here and I know what your trying to do, so please everyone go read the ES8000 thread and the AVthread in the UK so you can see that its hundreds of others saying the same exact thing!

You don't believe that a FW update can change anything when Samsung clearly says that their micro dimming tech is "SOFTWARE" based. Do you know what that even means? Software based means it can be modified through FW updates. Just think of how the Sony Playstation 3 updated its FW and magically made it 3D compatible. Even on a aging gaming console. Hmm! I wonder how Sony was able to to that, but Samsung can't change their picture settings and calibrations and their dimming through an update .. PLEASE!

All your doing is trying to make others have to pay top dollar and wait for the F8000. Are you a salesman? Do you work for Panasonic? You can tell from my pics in my avatar that I clearly don't. So who's everyone going to believe here? Someone that owns 3 ES8000 models, and a uncle that own a 75" ES9000 and a 60" ES8000 and many, many more Samsung TVs or you who owns nothing ? As you can see from my pics of my home, we have a lot of rooms to fill which means there are tons of TVs in my house

Lol! You own a VT50? But your on a Samsung F8000 thread? Hmm! If your so happy with the VT50, and its such a beautiful TV, then why aren't you buying another one? Or better yet, they have the ZT60 up for pre order, and that's supposed to be even better then the VT50 so why aren't you sticking to that if its such an amazing TV? Usually Loyal consumers stick to the same manufacture. Especially after they buy one of their amazing TVs and have good luck with it. Hmm! People here are not dumb. They see what's going on here. I rest my case man. You are now blocked.. See ya! Hasta la vista ! Go enjoy your TV and stop being such a downer
post #263 of 3645
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Originally Posted by dad0118 View Post

I was responding to you criticizing another member for having a lack a credibility when you called the ES8000 in the same post a Spectacular 2D panel and "terrible" 3D panel when the opposite is true. See David's review on Cnet and you will see what I mean (along with the Flat Panel Shootout in which "Experts" rated the ES8000 horribly). The 3D on the set is actually considered to be top notch.

Last summer, I came on this board looking for TV advice and it was people like you that steered me into making the wrong decision and going with an ES8000 initially.

You are providing people (potential buyers) with false information.

The opposite is not true. If you ever had both of the sets at the same time like I did with multiple samples (four 60ES8000 and three 65ES8000) then anyone with knowledge of what to judge would plainly see the 3D on the 60ES8000 is not even close to the same 3D image quality of the 65ES8000. When it was first reviewed in the spring of 2012, the 3D may have been great, but later in 2012 both the 65ES8000 and 65HX950 (you need to use polarized 3D glasses or else it flickers) were released that both exceed the 60ES8000 in 3D quality. That's because the 60 inch uses a Sharp made panel that handles banding (or the lack there of noticeable banding) significantly better than Samsung's own Panel in the 65 model, but at the expense of the 3D quality. Just take a look at the Elites.... as good a 2D image they have, the 3D is weak in the Elites compared to other brands. The 65 inch Samsung panel is exceptional 3D quality, but at the expense of terrible vertical banding.

If you are going to try to flame me for something you don't agree with, please do so by at least knowing what you are talking about rather than relying on someone else's opinion.
post #264 of 3645
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

The opposite is not true. If you ever had both of the sets at the same time like I did with multiple samples (four 60ES8000 and three 65ES8000) then anyone with knowledge of what to judge would plainly see the 3D on the 60ES8000 is not even close to the same 3D image quality of the 65ES8000. When it was first reviewed in the spring of 2012, the 3D may have been great, but later in 2012 both the 65ES8000 and 65HX950 (you need to use polarized 3D glasses or else it flickers) were released that both exceed the 60ES8000 in 3D quality. That's because the 60 inch uses a Sharp made panel that handles banding (or the lack there of noticeable banding) significantly better than Samsung's own Panel in the 65 model, but at the expense of the 3D quality. Just take a look at the Elites.... as good a 2D image they have, the 3D is weak in the Elites compared to other brands. The 65 inch Samsung panel is exceptional 3D quality, but at the expense of terrible vertical banding.

If you are going to try to flame me for something you don't agree with, please do so by at least knowing what you are talking about rather than relying on someone else's opinion.

I'll trust the countless number of reviews out there that differ from what you are saying, sorry.
post #265 of 3645
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Lol! You own a VT50? But your on a Samsung F8000 thread? Hmm! If your so happy with the VT50, and its such a beautiful TV, then why aren't you buying another one? Or better yet, they have the ZT60 up for pre order, and that's supposed to be even better then the VT50 so why aren't you sticking to that if its such an amazing TV? Usually Loyal consumers stick to the same manufacture. Especially after they buy one of their amazing TVs and have good luck with it. Hmm! People here are not dumb. They see what's going on here. I rest my case man. You are now blocked.. See ya! Hasta la vista ! Go enjoy your TV and stop being such a downer

You are now Blocked!
post #266 of 3645
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Originally Posted by dad0118 View Post

Anthony, Trust me - you are the one posting nonstop about the ES8000 on this 2013 model thread and you are going to tell me I'm the one looking like I have an agenda?

Buddy, I already have the best TV out there (P65VT50) and came to this thread to talk about the F8000 which I had hoped would make a good spare TV for one of our bedrooms. But I cannot sit back and listen to you and whoever else provide false info to people in the market for a new TV.

Ummm, I also have a 65VT30 as well as a 65HX950, and use to have a 65VT50, Samsung 65ES8000 and 60ES8000, so I already know you are full of BS if you are saying the 65VT50 is the best TV out there. It may be the best for your situation, but plasma is not for everyone.
post #267 of 3645
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Lol! You own a VT50? But your on a Samsung F8000 thread? Hmm! If your so happy with the VT50, and its such a beautiful TV, then why aren't you buying another one? Or better yet, they have the ZT60 up for pre order, and that's supposed to be even better then the VT50 so why aren't you sticking to that if its such an amazing TV? Usually Loyal consumers stick to the same manufacture. Especially after they buy one of their amazing TVs and have good luck with it. Hmm! People here are not dumb. They see what's going on here. I rest my case man. You are now blocked.. See ya! Hasta la vista ! Go enjoy your TV and stop being such a downer

Plasma isn't good for every application, such as in a well lit bedroom. Thank you sir. You are blocked as well.
post #268 of 3645
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Ummm, I also have a 65VT30 as well as a 65HX950, and use to have a 65VT50, Samsung 65ES8000 and 60ES8000, so I already know you are full of BS if you are saying the 65VT50 is the best TV out there. It may be the best for your situation, but plasma is not for everyone.

Right Again CMay! Your first hand knowledge trumps all the reviews out there saying the VT50 is the best TV on the market today.
post #269 of 3645
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Originally Posted by dad0118 View Post

I'll trust the countless number of reviews out there that differ from what you are saying, sorry.

Ok, post them and highlight where it says the 60es8000 model is better than the 65es8000 model.
post #270 of 3645
If we were to want to buy an ES8000 model, does it matter from where? I love Amazon, but I know it is sold several hundred dollars less at other online retailers and with free shipping, but I have never heard of them.
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