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post #2671 of 3645
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Originally Posted by jedi29 View Post

AGuy01 ,

Does the F8000 use IPS ?

If the off angle view is really bad then most likely it does not.

Only reference I have is my MBP-R uses IPS and the off center viewing is amazing , at least 76 degrees.

Later smile.gif

G. 

No active 3D displays that I know of use IPS... they all use some form of VA....
post #2672 of 3645
Thanks for the reply and info AGuy01 smile.gif

I must Goole what an S-PVA panel is , gezz , you learn something everyday biggrin.gif

Later,

Me 
post #2673 of 3645
Thanks for the info , digimat !

Later smile.gif

Gary 
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Originally Posted by moonhawk View Post

What if you buy a new stand and then decide you don't want to keep the F8000?

Why not just run down to Home Depot and get a piece of shelving or whatever that's big enough to hold the TV on top of your existing stand?

Then you can check out the TV within your return window, and find the right stand if you decide to keep the TV. You can probably find something for $10-$20.

Besides, the suspense is killing us..... biggrin.gif

EDIT: meant to be a response to Eagle.

Yeah, I'm right there with you! I might do just that at this point - throw a big board on the top of my current stand right now just to let me use the set while I'm waiting for the stand, just in case the tv doesn't work out anyways like you said. But that's not gonna happen because it gonna be great, right? biggrin.gif
post #2675 of 3645
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Originally Posted by Glass2 View Post

Stand ?

How many inches does the chrome monstrosity stick out from the back of the TV?

On Crutchfield it states the stand for the 60 is 13.5 inches but doesn't breakdown front and back portions.

TIA!

The Arc stand for the 46" takes up about 9" wrapping around the back of the set - I measured it the other day when it was on display in the Magnolia room at Best Buy.
post #2676 of 3645
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Originally Posted by pred1973 View Post

Congrats Eagle, keep us posted, looking forward to hearing your impressions.

Thanks! I'll be sure to keep everyone updated!
post #2677 of 3645
Hi eagle ,

How strong is the box ?

Can it hold the weight of the tv if the box is laying on it`s side on top of the stand you have now ?

We are just as excited as you are !! biggrin.gif

Later smile.gif

Gary 
post #2678 of 3645
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

Yeah, I'm right there with you! I might do just that at this point - throw a big board on the top of my current stand right now just to let me use the set while I'm waiting for the stand, just in case the tv doesn't work out anyways like you said. But that's not gonna happen because it gonna be great, right? biggrin.gif

Well, I hope so. Saw one yesterday for the first time--a 55". Very nice picture. I liked it better than the F8500 plasma in the same room. The motion on the plasma looked a little wierd to me, but of course I had no opportunity to play with either one. Also, there was different content playing on the two.

However, if the larger sets look anywhere near as good as the 55 I saw, I'll just go ahead with my pre-order with Robert at VE for a 75".

Also saw the 84" LG 4K set, but I don't think I have room for that puppy. Nice looking set, though.

Let us know how you like it...
post #2679 of 3645
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Originally Posted by moonhawk View Post

I liked it better than the F8500 plasma in the same room. The motion on the plasma looked a little wierd to me, but of course I had no opportunity to play with either one.

+1 The Plasma was set to Samsung's Motion Judder Canceller by default.

It adds smoothing or the "Soap Opera Effect" to plasma. rolleyes.gif

Its like the LED Auto Motion Plus, except completely unnecessary.
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I've referred to part of this review (from HDTVtest) previously, but I was just reading over this again and I am very confused by this statement regarding 24p in 3D mode:

"However, in “Game Mode” the UE55F8000 can’t reproduce 24p content in 3D without a bit of stutter, which, combined with the extra-dimensional depth, might be a little hard on the eyes for some. In other words, we can see why Samsung attempted to conceal this limitation some gentle motion interpolation. The choice is up to you, in either case, but in the future we’d love to see genuine 3D 24p playback on a Samsung LED LCD, because the three-dimensional image quality otherwise is stunning."

Okay, I understand that in 3D there is some "mild" frame interpolation, which I'm praying isn't enough to ruin the feel of 24fps film motion for me, because I hate the Soap Opera Effect outside of a few circumstances.

What I don't understand is why the reviewer here says they hope in the future Samsung will allow "genuine 3D 24p playback". What do they mean by this? They seem bothered that there is some forced frame interpolation in 3D mode (which I can understand), but then they also seem bothered that there is some judder in 3D game mode, since there is no forced interpolation in game mode.

But 24p film has natural film judder due to the 24p framerate, right? So why do they think that the tv should be able to produce 24p content with no judder? Film has judder - that's why frame interpolation was created - to smooth film judder. Am I missing something here? It seems to me that by the sound of it, 3D in game mode is doing just what I wish 3D in regular mode would do - display 24p in 3D with natural film judder, with no smoothing. So game mode gives them that and they complain about the judder and want judder-free motion. But 24p doesn't provide judder-free motion. I don't get their problem with the judder in 3D game mode.

Are they referring to telecine judder?
Edited by eagle_2 - 4/24/13 at 2:52am
post #2681 of 3645
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I've referred to part of this review (from HDTVtest) previously, but I was just reading over this again and I am very confused by this statement regarding 24p in 3D mode:

"However, in “Game Mode” the UE55F8000 can’t reproduce 24p content in 3D without a bit of stutter, which, combined with the extra-dimensional depth, might be a little hard on the eyes for some. In other words, we can see why Samsung attempted to conceal this limitation some gentle motion interpolation. The choice is up to you, in either case, but in the future we’d love to see genuine 3D 24p playback on a Samsung LED LCD, because the three-dimensional image quality otherwise is stunning."

Okay, I understand that in 3D there is some "mild" frame interpolation, which I'm praying isn't enough to ruin the feel of 24fps film motion for me, because I hate the Soap Opera Effect outside of a few circumstances.

What I don't understand is why the reviewer here says they hope in the future Samsung will allow "genuine 3D 24p playback". What do they mean by this? They seem bothered that there is some forced frame interpolation in 3D mode (which I can understand), but then they also seem bothered that there is some judder in 3D game mode, since there is no forced interpolation in game mode.

But 24p film has natural film judder due to the 24p framerate, right? So why do they think that the tv should be able to produce 24p content with no judder? Film has judder - that's why frame interpolation was created - to smooth film judder. Am I missing something here? It seems to me that by the sound of it, 3D in game mode is doing just what I wish 3D in regular mode would do - display 24p in 3D with natural film judder, with no smoothing. So game mode gives them that and they complain about the judder and want judder-free motion. But 24p doesn't provide judder-free motion. I don't get their problem with the judder in 3D game mode.

Are they referring to telecine judder?

Well active 3D glasses can have a bit of "flicker" for some, and I am guessing that flicker combined with 24p natural judder might make it more fatiguing on the eyes. Just a guess though.
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Have you had a chance to watch your new set yet, eagle? We are all on the edge of our seats. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

Have you had a chance to watch your new set yet, eagle? We are all on the edge of our seats. smile.gif

Nope. If all goes well, I might be setting it up tonight. I may not get a chance to play with it until tomorrow though - I'm watching Survivor over my girlfriend's house with her folks tonight - hopefully before that we'll be getting the tv set up, but I have a feeling I might not be up too late tonight - I got little sleep last night and I'm exhausted today because of it. I'll keep everyone updated.
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I'm watching Survivor over my girlfriend's house with her folks tonight ...

Not to stray off topic, but how are you enjoying this season? I am an avid Survivor fan, and I have watched every episode of every season. The only episode I watched so far this season was the first. The rest I have on my TiVo. I got distracted by some other shows and haven't had a chance to get caught up yet. smile.gif
post #2685 of 3645
How long before this tv gets its first price drop? When did the ES8000 first drop in price?
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Originally Posted by CNOLA85 View Post

How long before this tv gets its first price drop? When did the ES8000 first drop in price?

There are a few online stores that have this TV for $2299 (55"). It usually takes 1-2 full months before we start seeing any sales. You should start seeing good deals around August-September. The major deals will come in November.
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greystone appliances has the f8000 55" for $2169--BB has pricematched may of us
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Samsung’s F8500 vs. F8000: Sibling Rivalry

http://www.televisioninfo.com/features/samsung-s-f8500-vs.%20F8000:%20Sibling%20Rivalry

Sibling Rivalry Winner: F8500
post #2689 of 3645
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Originally Posted by eclipsegt View Post

There are a few online stores that have this TV for $2299 (55"). It usually takes 1-2 full months before we start seeing any sales. You should start seeing good deals around August-September. The major deals will come in November.

If the F8000 60 inch cost $2999 at best buy now do you expect it to go down by November?
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Originally Posted by xinfamousxi View Post

If the F8000 60 inch cost $2999 at best buy now do you expect it to go down by November?

Everything should be down by November. The real question is if you want to wait that long. In my opinion the good and bad of waiting until holiday season are as follows:

-Good:
1. TV will be much cheaper
2. Most of the bugs will be taken care of
3. You might be able to get a freebie (free sound bar or Blu-ray player)

-Bad:
1. You have to wait longer to get the TV
2. Stores can get very crazy during the holiday season
3. Most importantly: you will be outdated very quickly (CES happens every January).
4. If you are a gamer (like me) the PS4 and new Xbox will be launching around November. Buying a new TV and a new game system (PS4 in my case) with games = very broke.
post #2691 of 3645
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Samsung’s F8500 vs. F8000: Sibling Rivalry

http://www.televisioninfo.com/features/samsung-s-f8500-vs.%20F8000:%20Sibling%20Rivalry

Sibling Rivalry Winner: F8500

Cool article but it's a little unfair to compare a plasma with an LED. Even though they are both "flagship" models, they are 2 very different beast. IMO it's almost like comparing a Ferrari to a Rolls Royce. They are both high end cars, but they were made for different purposes.

I was also a little disappointed with televisioninfo's review of the F8000. I'm not a fan of their new review format. Their old reviews were way more thorough. I REALLY can't wait to see flatpanelshd review of the F8000.
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

Not to stray off topic, but how are you enjoying this season? I am an avid Survivor fan, and I have watched every episode of every season. The only episode I watched so far this season was the first. The rest I have on my TiVo. I got distracted by some other shows and haven't had a chance to get caught up yet. smile.gif

If you're a Survivor fan I can guarantee you will not be disappointed with this season! Like you I fell behind this season and I only saw the first episode, but I sat down a couple weekends ago and caught up on them all so I could watch the new episodes with my girlfriend. I'm so glad I caught up and didn't miss it! Awesome stuff going on - I mean crazy stuff. Don't read any spoilers or anything though if you can avoid it - just catch up on the episodes and discover them as you go. I'm amazed that after all these seasons it can still be so gripping. And this is coming from somebody who hates reality shows.

Well I've got lots to report - but it's gotta wait 'til tomorrow unfortunately. The tv is all set up and I connected most of my equipment, and I spent a few hours with it tonight experimenting. I did a basic setup with the AVS and WOW discs, and I tried a little bit of everything - 3D, gaming with my PC, experimented with some settings. I've definitely learned some interesting stuff tonight about this set. The previous A/V rack just wasn't going to work out for me I don't think, and we ended up getting a glass and metal stand at Sears. So I've got the new A/V rack assembled and the tv is sitting on it. It sure looks stunning when it's off, especially on the new A/V rack.

I'm just too tired to get into any details right now - sorry. I gotta get some sleep. I will say this - no matter how I end up feeling about this set (and my feelings are mixed), this one has to go back - I found a dead pixel! First time I've personally come across a dead pixel in any of my panels. Clear as day with color slides up for testing. The pixel remains black on various greyscale screens and an all white screen, and on a green screen. On a blue screen or red screen it doesn't seem to be visible. From what I've read (and there's lot's of confusion out there on this), a dead pixel remains black on this type of panel, and cannot be fixed, as opposed to a stuck pixel, which remains a certain color, and can sometimes be reset if you're lucky. I looked up close with a magnifying glass to see if I could tell what was going on with the pixel, and it was weird - different slides seemed to have a slight effect on it - like it seemed to be made up of a few separate little dots, and some slides caused what seemed like a couple of the dots to disappear, leaving a smaller black dot visible only. On some slides it appeared the were a few tiny black dots, making up a larger dot that appears as a single dot when looking at it with out a magnifying glass. Even from a bit of a distance it can be easily seen. So this one's going back no matter what.

I'll post tomorrow with some of my thoughts on the set.
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Originally Posted by adgrimes View Post

greystone appliances has the f8000 55" for $2169--BB has pricematched may of us

I think the latest price drop for Greystone was so low that Best Buy wouldn't do it - for me I was turned down by two stores for Greystone, but one of those stores did match Abe's of Maine. Greystone is just so low that most Best Buys I think won't consider it.
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Samsung’s F8500 vs. F8000: Sibling Rivalry

http://www.televisioninfo.com/features/samsung-s-f8500-vs.%20F8000:%20Sibling%20Rivalry

Sibling Rivalry Winner: F8500

Pretty weak comparison but thanks for the link. They mention nothing that can't be said about any plasma vs LCD. They don't address or mention anything about the weak areas of either set - the ongoing image retention issues, the brightness pops of the 8500, the auto-dimming of the 8000 - both units have their issues, and they do nothing to compare them here. Also where is the mention of motion, and 3D? I never liked their site - their reviews, like most, are questionable, and leave lots to the imagination.
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Originally Posted by eclipsegt View Post

Cool article but it's a little unfair to compare a plasma with an LED. Even though they are both "flagship" models, they are 2 very different beast. IMO it's almost like comparing a Ferrari to a Rolls Royce. They are both high end cars, but they were made for different purposes.

I have no problem with them comparing a plasma to an LED, but it was just a poorly written review. They provided almost no meaningful information.
post #2696 of 3645
Hi Guys ,

Well I did it , and the jury will be deliberating , however I can get you some first impressions.

Style with Stand = Very Good to Excellent.

Video quality : To soon to tell , must wait at least a week before I can begin to calibrate it.

Audio quality : The best sounding "Slim" flat panel on the market , many settings for audio , excellent sound . ( period )

3D: Again to soon to really tell , but I have tried a couple of sources , my CB , Comcast service.

Imaging is much clearer than "passive" NO FRAME LOSS , but darker than passive.

Bluetooth Remote : IMPORTANT / Do Not Use the batteries that came with the F8000 , buy "Energizer / Ultimate Lithium ". the remote being "bluetooth" will use a ton of power , and anything other than the batteries mentioned would mean replacing too often.
The back of the remote ( where the batteries go ) is very difficult to remove , IT WILL BREAK AT SOME POINT. Suggestion : Buy a spare when available. You will be glad you did , IF the tv is a keeper.

More details to follow , must rest , it needs my attention.

Video , has many … settings , on-screen manual is a very bad idea , DOWNLOAD the manual !!

1 Pic: , for now , will be posting as I go !



More pic`s and info to come. smile.gif

Gary 
post #2697 of 3645
Congrats on the new set! That stand looks like it was custom made for the F8000. Did you buy it specifically for the new set, or did you have it already?
post #2698 of 3645
Congratulations for the TV. I like the sleek look of F8000 more than the F8500 and ES8000.
Looks very thin and sleek
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Originally Posted by jedi29 View Post


Bluetooth Remote : IMPORTANT / Do Not Use the batteries that came with the F8000 , buy "Energizer / Ultimate Lithium ". the remote being "bluetooth" will use a ton of power , and anything other than the batteries mentioned would mean replacing too often.
The back of the remote ( where the batteries go ) is very difficult to remove , IT WILL BREAK AT SOME POINT. Suggestion : Buy a spare when available. You will be glad you did , IF the tv is a keeper.


Gary 

I agree entirely about the touch remote. Samsung is insane. I thought I was going to break the the touch remote just trying to remove the back cover. Like you said, it will break, it's just a matter of when. Very poorly designed. I had to refer to the manual to figure out how to remove the back. Buy the standard remote from Samsung - it's around $40. Well worth it, though it sucks they didn't include it.

Congradulations on your purchase. I hope you have a good one. I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
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I swaped my 55" with 60" and the TV arrived today. Immediately after turning it on, I see a horizontal band on the no signal screen. Is this a concern? also not sure what it is, but not quote happy with the picture when compared to 55"

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