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post #31 of 3276
1/11/13 at 6:50pm
I know! Its actually the first plasma I've ever been really excited and curious about. Samsung really does an amazing job getting us all hyped up smile.gif
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post #32 of 3276
1/11/13 at 6:58pm
It was always my understanding from what I've read that Samsung isn't even allowed to do full array backlit with local dimming sets from a previous lawsuit won by Sharp. Their last one was the 8500 years back. I remember reading Sharp has the patent on that technology and sued Samsung. The result was Samsung pulling production of the 8500 and havent made one since. They do something called '"micro dimming" and from what I've read is nothing more than a marketing ploy to confuse buyers into thinking it's even better than local dimming. I know Sony does local dimming sets with their 950 series but perhaps they paid Sharp for the right or share in the profits. Not sure.
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post #33 of 3276
1/11/13 at 7:02pm
I've heard this before too. Just didn't know how true it was. It makes sense, but I don't know why Samsung doesn't pay Sharp whatever it is like Sony does to use their tech if that's what the consumers wants and what makes the picture quality better. It does cost a lot more to make a "full Array" compared to a Edge lit and that's why I always thought Samsung stopped making them
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post #34 of 3276
1/11/13 at 7:14pm
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I've heard this before too. Just didn't know how true it was. It makes sense, but I don't know why Samsung doesn't pay Sharp whatever it is like Sony does to use their tech if that's what the consumers wants and what makes the picture quality better. It does cost a lot more to make a "full Array" compared to a Edge lit and that's why I always thought Samsung stopped making them

I'm almost sure they stopped because of the lawsuit. I remember the specifics of all this so well because I wanted the 8500 badly and all this was taking place at the same time. The 8500 was in production only a few months. It became a cult TV shortly afterwards with some outlets demanding $1000 above retail to get one.

However, I'm sure the bean counters at Samsung made the decision that they didn't want to buy the rights to continue to make a local dimming set. It might have been the right decision afterall considering Sharps bet on expensive high end TV's didn't pan out too well. Losing 5.6 billion dollars in one year says you are in the opposite direction of what the general public is wanting.
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post #35 of 3276
1/11/13 at 7:31pm
I wanted one too and remember going to BB and seeing it and then going back a couple months later and them telling me its sold out and never saw one there again. What did you end up getting?
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post #36 of 3276
1/11/13 at 8:46pm
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I wanted one too and remember going to BB and seeing it and then going back a couple months later and them telling me its sold out and never saw one there again. What did you end up getting?

I just bought the Sharp Elite 70" about 2 weeks ago but am having difficulty justifying keeping it. It has some of the original "pulsing" problems some of the earlier elite's had that most everyone thought were solved. It's like the local dimming is lagging behind and has trouble catching up as a scene changes. It usually involves fluctuations in brightness and contrast for 1-2 seconds. But sometimes it involves the blacks turning purplish gray until the processor adjusts the picture correctly. Sometimes it's subtle but other times not so subtle. I probably will have to return it to BB. Thank God I didn't buy it from one of the vendors here on this site since they don't take returns.
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post #37 of 3276
1/11/13 at 9:00pm
Samsung says the following for their new F8000 series

Goodbye Clouding

This new TV still uses Edge LED backlighting with diodes around the outer edges of the screen panel. However, Samsung clams to have introduced a new "Micro Dimming" function that should help reduce clouding. We're certainly keen to get a closer look at that. In any case, the fact that Samsung seems to recognise a past problem is already a promising sign!
Edited by JimShaw - 1/12/13 at 10:16am
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post #38 of 3276
1/12/13 at 1:34am
For a manufacturer that touts their edge dimming scheme, I'm surprised that Sony's edge dimming implementation is better. The HX850 (and 2011 NX720 and HX820) looked great and had minimal clouding....the ES Samsungs definitely cloud less than the D series but Samsung seems to be the worst offender when it comes to this problem. especially in larger sizes (55, 60, 65). Hopefully this year will be better...
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post #39 of 3276
1/12/13 at 2:03am
I'm going to have to keep a eye on this. If this does in fact solve clouding I will be very happy. The fact their 1080p flagship will come in 46-inch makes me happy as it's honestly the perfect sized TV for me.
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post #40 of 3276
1/12/13 at 5:41am
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I just bought the Sharp Elite 70" about 2 weeks ago but am having difficulty justifying keeping it. It has some of the original "pulsing" problems some of the earlier elite's had that most everyone thought were solved. It's like the local dimming is lagging behind and has trouble catching up as a scene changes. It usually involves fluctuations in brightness and contrast for 1-2 seconds. But sometimes it involves the blacks turning purplish gray until the processor adjusts the picture correctly. Sometimes it's subtle but other times not so subtle. I probably will have to return it to BB. Thank God I didn't buy it from one of the vendors here on this site since they don't take returns.

That sucks. I can't imagine spending all the dough on a TV and then not being able to return it if its having issues. Good luck with that
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post #41 of 3276
1/12/13 at 6:50am
Samsung UN85S9 - 4K full array local dimming LED LCd wink.gif

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-un85s9/4505-6482_7-35567048.html?autoplay=true
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post #42 of 3276
1/12/13 at 7:00am
Wish they had a smaller "Full Array" that's not 4K so it will be more affordable. This 85" is going to cost $$$$$$
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post #43 of 3276
1/12/13 at 8:34am
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Samsung UN85S9 - 4K full array local dimming LED LCd wink.gif

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-un85s9/4505-6482_7-35567048.html?autoplay=true

I think CNET got it wrong. According to HDGURU:
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UN85S9

The UN85S9 is Samsungs first foray into the new UHD category. With a screen resolution of 3840 x 2160 this 85-Inch UHDTV is an edge-lit LED LCD with local dimming.

I'm more inclined to believe it's edge-lit because using full array with LD would add to this set's likely already astronomical cost. It would need to stay competitive with the other 84" sets from Sony, LG, and Toshiba which will all be edge-lit.
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post #44 of 3276
1/12/13 at 8:39am
I think your right because Kdog was just explaining the reason why Samsung stopped making sets in a "Full Array" LCD. This is what I meant by theres lot of mis information going around this year. I'm still waiting to hear if the Evo kit improves the picture quality or not. Some say yes, and some say no. And what about the 75" ES9000? Is the price going to come down now?
Edited by Anthony5362 - 1/12/13 at 8:52am
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post #45 of 3276
1/12/13 at 9:42am
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Is there any new info on these 2013 sets? I can't believe all the mis information going around this year and I don't mean on this forum.

Ironicly, the heading title of this thead is misleading.
Samsung F8000 Series -- Full-Array Local Dimming LED Sets
They're not full array.
Whom ever started this post and wrote that should correct that, it's mis information.
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post #46 of 3276
1/12/13 at 9:44am
Well, there are some 2012 full array samsungs for sale. Also the UN85S9 won cnet ces 2013 award, still claiming its a full array local dimming smile.gif I mailed a few guys, see what they say about it.

http://ces.cnet.com/best-of-ces/
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post #47 of 3276
1/12/13 at 9:56am
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Well, there are some 2012 full array samsungs for sale. Also the UN85S9 won cnet ces 2013 award, still claiming its a full array local dimming smile.gif I mailed a few guys, see what they say about it.

http://ces.cnet.com/best-of-ces/

My point, mis information, heading says F8000 series.
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post #48 of 3276
1/12/13 at 10:10am
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My point, mis information, heading says F8000 series.
My post was about wether or not the UN85S9 is a full array local dimming.

ROGO was under the impression that the F8000 series were local dimming sets, that is the reason why he started this thread. Why don't you PM him, he might edit thread title smile.gif
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post #49 of 3276
1/12/13 at 10:18am
I think when he started this thread, it was being said that the F8000 will be a "Full Array" with local dimming. I've seen places that say "finally getting micro dimming" and the 8000 always had micro dimming. Wether it was hardware or software related.
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post #50 of 3276
1/12/13 at 12:20pm
it seems that HTGuru got some bad info.


digitalversus ''full array''
http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-television/samsung-un85s9-p15205/ces-2013-more-samsung-uhd-tv-range-n27850.html

pcworld ''full array''
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2024911/oled-and-4k-at-ces-2013-the-fantasy-and-the-reality-video-.html

CNET ''full array local dimming''
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-un85s9/4505-6482_7-35567048.html?autoplay=true

HTGuru ''edge lit with local dimming''
http://hdguru.com/samsungs-2013-hdtv-line/9745/
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post #51 of 3276
1/12/13 at 2:14pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bekindrewind View Post

Ironicly, the heading title of this thead is misleading.
Samsung F8000 Series -- Full-Array Local Dimming LED Sets
They're not full array.
Whom ever started this post and wrote that should correct that, it's mis information.

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My point, mis information, heading says F8000 series.

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My post was about wether or not the UN85S9 is a full array local dimming.

ROGO was under the impression that the F8000 series were local dimming sets, that is the reason why he started this thread. Why don't you PM him, he might edit thread title smile.gif

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I think when he started this thread, it was being said that the F8000 will be a "Full Array" with local dimming. I've seen places that say "finally getting micro dimming" and the 8000 always had micro dimming. Wether it was hardware or software related.

You can't edit thread titles, so seriously, stop asking.

Let's get the ontology of how this thread happened:

1) Cnet reported the F8000 has " full LED backlight with "thousands" of separate dimmable zones."

That means full array local dimming has to be present. You cannot have thousands of dimmable zones and "full LED backlight". It's not possible.

Cnet's reported was misleading/wrong in part because Samsung regularly makes a false claim about their backlighting.

2) Upon learning my enthusiasm was misplaced, I posted a "what a bummer" post in this thread. You can read it on Page 1. Your repeated useless requests for me to edit the thread title are not helpful.

3) That said, I have every reason to believe HD Guru is wrong about the 85" and that it has a full-array backlight, or at least I can report Samsung was insistent that it did. Of course, the booth people could well have been misinformed.

The idea than a 85-inch, $20,000 TV could actually have good enough uniformity to justify that kind of pricing strains the imagination. If it's indeed edge lit, you should know now to avoid it. On the bright show floor, uniformity seemed OK, but there was no dark demo material at all.
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post #52 of 3276
1/13/13 at 6:52am
I don't think this link was posted yet, but here's a small update from Cnet's David K.

http://ces.cnet.com/8301-34451_1-57563551/the-2013-tvs-of-ces-are-bigger-and-smarter-but-what-about-the-picture/
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post #53 of 3276
1/13/13 at 7:04am
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I don't think this link was posted yet, but here's a small update from Cnet's David K.

http://ces.cnet.com/8301-34451_1-57563551/the-2013-tvs-of-ces-are-bigger-and-smarter-but-what-about-the-picture/

Now the big question is whether the 65F8000 will have vertical banding and if the 60F8000 3D image will equal that of it's 65 inch sibling, something the 60ES8000 failed to do compared to the 65ES8000.
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post #54 of 3276
1/13/13 at 7:08am
I'm very curious myself to know if they fixed the banding on the 65" with these new "F" series.

Cmay, would you consider the F8500 plasma? I think I'm more excited about this one since Samsung is saying it will be as bright as their LEDs.

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/Samsung-F8500-First-Impressions-Review.htm?utm_source=usat&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=collab

Love the headline to this article

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-f8500-plasma-tv-201301122576.htm
Edited by Anthony5362 - 1/13/13 at 7:28am
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post #55 of 3276
1/13/13 at 7:44am
I'm still trying to figure out if I should return the E8000 plasma I bought recently which I really like, but it has one dead pixel, and wait for the F8500 plasma or buy the F8000 LED, or maybe 4K.. I only have 2 more weeks for my return left, so I hope more info about these sets will come out very soon..
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post #56 of 3276
1/13/13 at 7:45am
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I'm very curious myself to know if they fixed the banding on the 65" with these new "F" series.

Cmay, would you consider the F8500 plasma? I think I'm more excited about this one since Samsung is saying it will be as bright as their LEDs.

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/Samsung-F8500-First-Impressions-Review.htm?utm_source=usat&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=collab

Love the headline to this article

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-f8500-plasma-tv-201301122576.htm

I would, but the key for me will be which TV provides the best combination of 2D and 3D. Essentially what I want is a panel that provides the razor sharp/zero crosstalk 3D of the 65ES8000 without the vertical banding. Unfortunately, the 60ES8000s different panel from sharp which minimizes banding on the 60s is not capable of producing crosstalk free 3D like the panel in the 65. Whether that be a plasma or LED I could care less. I'm also interested in the design of the 65VT60 or 65ZT60. My biggest issue with the 65VT50 in addition to the buzzing was that it's open glass panel design allowed too much dust particles underneath the glass panel. The nice part of the ES8000 line was that in was enclosed per say which prevented any dust from accumulating under the panel in the weeks that I had the 65s and 60s compared to the multitude of dust with the 65VT50.
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post #57 of 3276
1/13/13 at 7:51am
From what I've been hearing and reading, it sounds like all the 2013 models from Samsung, Panasonic and Sony will have better picture quality then the 2012 models. Reviewers are also saying that 3D looks amazing on the 4K TVs.
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post #58 of 3276
1/13/13 at 7:53am
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I'm still trying to figure out if I should return the E8000 plasma I bought recently which I really like, but it has one dead pixel, and wait for the F8500 plasma or buy the F8000 LED, or maybe 4K.. I only have 2 more weeks for my return left, so I hope more info about these sets will come out very soon..

The F8000 may be great, but the F8500 is a wonder of nature...eek.gifbiggrin.gif

Watch the F8500 comparison vid. :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DH0kAr-XNkE#
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post #59 of 3276
1/13/13 at 8:01am
Wow! Great video! Ok now I really want the F8500! He mentions though that it will be VERY expensive. I hope its not way over priced like they did with the 75" ES9000
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post #60 of 3276
1/13/13 at 8:13am
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Wow! Great video! Ok now I really want the F8500! He mentions though that it will be VERY expensive. I hope its not way over priced like they did with the 75" ES9000

F8000 and other Samsung sets at CES:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK8ml95F19M
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