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post #391 of 3645
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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

Robert just posted...

More updates coming today at our dedicated Samsung PDP and LCD/LED sites. Check in for the updates that will be posted later today.


I am looking forward to more info.

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Sorry

I just got word that more data will not be posted tonight because Robert posted...

"I was asked not to publish the information at this time. Stay tuned, it won't be long before I can talk about the launch dates and prices. The information was shared with me for our Shootout planning and is not officially released.

I will tell you that the prices are very reasonable and the launch dates are sooner than expected. Which may result in an earlier Flat Panel Shootout evaluation event date."


I can't wait



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Edited by JimShaw - 2/7/13 at 6:30pm
post #392 of 3645
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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

Sorry

I just got word that more data will not be posted tonight because Robert posted...

"I was asked not to publish the information at this time. Stay tuned, it won't be long before I can talk about the launch dates and prices. The information was shared with me for our Shootout planning and is not officially released.

I will tell you that the prices are very reasonable and the launch dates are sooner than expected. Which may result in an earlier Flat Panel Shootout evaluation event date."


I can't wait



m

Sweet , love the very reasonable pricing part - sounds like ill be getting the 65/75 to try out in the gameoom.
post #393 of 3645
Buzz..retired F-16 by way of the F-4. You? I really enjoy this forum. We all seek perfection.
post #394 of 3645
hi guys! been following this topic for a while now and must say im really exited about the f8000. I just have one question about the new models, i saw some videos about the new oled tv and they got the new dual view screen thing.. you know when you are for example playing split screen games and the screen shows 2 full screen pictures at once, so do you guys know if this will be a feature on these new sets? or is it possible that it will be availible later on in an fw update? sorry for my english, im from Finland smile.gif
post #395 of 3645
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Originally Posted by jetjocky View Post

Buzz..retired F-16 by way of the F-4. You? I really enjoy this forum. We all seek perfection.

Marine A6, AA 72, 75, & 767 - retired.
post #396 of 3645
I have Samsung's first led tv with full array local dimming model the 81F.Last year I bought an LG LV9500 with nano led full array,2300 led's and 288 zones.
I don't know what Samsung thinks of us,but it should not be smoke and mirrors with the back lighting!
post #397 of 3645
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Originally Posted by lumotics View Post

hi guys! been following this topic for a while now and must say im really exited about the f8000. I just have one question about the new models, i saw some videos about the new oled tv and they got the new dual view screen thing.. you know when you are for example playing split screen games and the screen shows 2 full screen pictures at once, so do you guys know if this will be a feature on these new sets? or is it possible that it will be availible later on in an fw update? sorry for my english, im from Finland smile.gif

I thought the dual-view thing was for these new F-series LED's and Plasma's. Is anyone certain which televisions will have this feature?
post #398 of 3645
The "very reasonable pricing" doesn't surprise me. I wasn't buying into the idea of a quad-core processor causing a large jump in price. Quad-cores have been in mobile phones for a while now, so it's not a brand new technology. I would guess at most the difference between a 2013 quad-core chip and a 2012 dual-core chip is about $100. I would expect the price to start off a little lower than the 2012's, but for the price to hold steady longer. If I was in charge of pricing for a product that has a 1 year sales cycle, I would set the price at a level that would be competitive for 6 months before needing to be reduced. The fact that the 2012's needed a price cut after just 8 weeks shows that they started out too high.
post #399 of 3645
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Originally Posted by grhopper View Post

The "very reasonable pricing" doesn't surprise me. I wasn't buying into the idea of a quad-core processor causing a large jump in price. Quad-cores have been in mobile phones for a while now, so it's not a brand new technology. I would guess at most the difference between a 2013 quad-core chip and a 2012 dual-core chip is about $100. I would expect the price to start off a little lower than the 2012's, but for the price to hold steady longer. If I was in charge of pricing for a product that has a 1 year sales cycle, I would set the price at a level that would be competitive for 6 months before needing to be reduced. The fact that the 2012's needed a price cut after just 8 weeks shows that they started out too high.

Fully agree. Each year we have seen the starting price of the Samsung LEDs be slightly lower than the year before as the technology becomes cheaper and cheaper to produce, those savings are passed on the consumer. Add that to the poor TV sales of late and we'll probably save a few hundred dollars for each size compared to the ES8000s.
post #400 of 3645
Buzz Great aircraft the A-6 Rugged and yet Handsome. Nam? Me Phu Cat 70-71 F-4 Rugged as well just not handsome! But got me back in one Piece. Marine huh, all my marine friends were top notch aviators, Semper Fi and check 6.
post #401 of 3645
Since folks here have been following this more closely than I have, how will the 75" F8000 differ from the 75" LED9000? Are there real differences that will impact PQ?
post #402 of 3645
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Since folks here have been following this more closely than I have, how will the 75" F8000 differ from the 75" LED9000? Are there real differences that will impact PQ?

I think the general understanding is that there won't be any negative impact in PQ going from the ES9000 to the F8000. There are some hints that there may be a F8500 LED. At CES the F8500 was only used in reference to the plasma line, not the LED line. We're not sure if there will be both a F8000 and F8500 LED, and if so what differences there will be in them. As far as the 75" LED specifically, I think the major difference will be going from dual-core to quad-core processor, and not a huge jump in PQ from the ES to F.
post #403 of 3645
Thanks grhopper. So are you saying the only difference between the LED9000 and the 75" F8000 is the quad core processor? Isn't the quad corre only used in the "Smart features"? If so, I could care less. I have little interest in those extras.
post #404 of 3645
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Thanks grhopper. So are you saying the only difference between the LED9000 and the 75" F8000 is the quad core processor? Isn't the quad corre only used in the "Smart features"? If so, I could care less. I have little interest in those extras.

That's what it looks like since the ES9000 already has the Cinema Black, however the F series is supposed to have an improved version. There also might be added/improved PQ that won't be confirmed until people start reviewing the sets.
post #405 of 3645
I'm wondering if the 9000 might not have better black levels. I can't imagine how they'll distinguish between the cheaper 75" F8000 and the $9,500 LED9000.
post #406 of 3645
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Thanks grhopper. So are you saying the only difference between the LED9000 and the 75" F8000 is the quad core processor? Isn't the quad corre only used in the "Smart features"? If so, I could care less. I have little interest in those extras.

There is not too much info on the F8000 yet. So far the differences between the F8000 and the ES9000 are:

- Different design (There is also an F8500 LED. The F8500 is the exact same TV as the F8000 but with a more "premium" design. Its only announced for Europe right now)

- Quad core processor

- The 75" F8000 should be cheaper than the ES9000

- There may be some improvements to the micro dimming and cinema black technologies.

Other than that not much is known. However, sense its rumored to launch next month, I'm sure we will get more info later this month.
post #407 of 3645
I wouldn't say that the only thing that would benefit from the quad-core are the smart apps. The processor is the "brain of the tv. So anything that the tv does to translate the signal from the hdmi imput to the display panel will benefit from the improved processor. How much of an improvement you will see no one knows until the new models hit the showrooms. My guess is that the smart apps will see most of the benefit. If you're wondering if you should buy the 75ES9000 now or wait for the 75F8000, I would say, if you can wait a couple of months, then that's your best option. Sounds like they will be announcing a release date a pricing soon. You can always buy the 75ES9000 7 days before the release date from Amazon. That would give you 7 days after the release date for any price match, plus give you time to see how the new ones look. It would also shield you against any risk of a run on the ES if the F isn't worth the increase in price.
post #408 of 3645
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I'm wondering if the 9000 might not have better black levels. I can't imagine how they'll distinguish between the cheaper 75" F8000 and the $9,500 LED9000.

You have to remember that the ES9000 is a 2012 model. It has nothing to do with the 2013 F models. If Samsung makes an F9000 later this year, that will be a different story.
post #409 of 3645
Ah, got it! I need to catch up on these Sammys! Thanks for the info. I didn't realize the 9000 was a 2012 model, but it makes sense since I see it has the "ES" prefix.
post #410 of 3645
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Originally Posted by eclipsegt View Post

There is not too much info on the F8000 yet. So far the differences between the F8000 and the ES9000 are:

- Different design (There is also an F8500 LED. The F8500 is the exact same TV as the F8000 but with a more "premium" design. Its only announced for Europe right now)

- Quad core processor

- The 75" F8000 should be cheaper than the ES9000

- There may be some improvements to the micro dimming and cinema black technologies.

Other than that not much is known. However, sense its rumored to launch next month, I'm sure we will get more info later this month.

UN75ES9000 clear motion rate 960
UN75F8000 clear motion rate 1200

Currently no one knows if the 75F8000 will be cheaper than the 75ES9000. I doubt if it will be, if it has improvements, like a higher clear motion rate, quad core etc. It may simply be a 9000 with those items and some others added. It may end up being a higher end "Flagship" set.
post #411 of 3645
Quote from Robert Zohn regarding the 2013 TV's

"Much of the 2013 crop look quite good, big jump forward in display technology!

Cheers,"




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post #412 of 3645
I was going under the assumption that there was a step up from the 65ES8000 to the 75ES9000. From some things I've read, the F8000 would be incorporating the improvements from the ES8000 to the ES9000. If this is true, then the 46 - 65" F8000 would have more of a "big jump forward" than the 75" model. Since there was no 75ES8000, it's hard to say if there were any major changes from the ES8000 to the ES9000, or if it was just a marketing ploy to justify a higher price point.
post #413 of 3645
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Originally Posted by grhopper View Post

I was going under the assumption that there was a step up from the 65ES8000 to the 75ES9000. From some things I've read, the F8000 would be incorporating the improvements from the ES8000 to the ES9000. If this is true, then the 46 - 65" F8000 would have more of a "big jump forward" than the 75" model. Since there was no 75ES8000, it's hard to say if there were any major changes from the ES8000 to the ES9000, or if it was just a marketing ploy to justify a higher price point.

It would be nice if the 75F8000 comes in at the price the original 75ES8000 was supposed to be instead of the price it actually turned out to be when it became the 75ES9000.... Not that I'd get the wife approval to buy one anyways. mad.gif
post #414 of 3645
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Originally Posted by 6athome View Post

I have Samsung's first led tv with full array local dimming model the 81F.Last year I bought an LG LV9500 with nano led full array,2300 led's and 288 zones.
I don't know what Samsung thinks of us,but it should not be smoke and mirrors with the back lighting!




I have the A950, which is the local dimming model that succeeded yours. I think Sammy still hasn't equaled the 3 backlit sets they produced (the b8500 being the third). I'm very interested to see if they hit a home run here or if it's just the usual FUD from them. Time will tell.
post #415 of 3645
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

It would be nice if the 75F8000 comes in at the price the original 75ES8000 was supposed to be instead of the price it actually turned out to be when it became the 75ES9000.... Not that I'd get the wife approval to buy one anyways. mad.gif

It may have come in at that original price if it had the same processing as the rest of the es8000 line. Samsung made improvements and called it the ES9000 then raised the price.
post #416 of 3645
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Originally Posted by grhopper View Post

I was going under the assumption that there was a step up from the 65ES8000 to the 75ES9000. From some things I've read, the F8000 would be incorporating the improvements from the ES8000 to the ES9000. If this is true, then the 46 - 65" F8000 would have more of a "big jump forward" than the 75" model. Since there was no 75ES8000, it's hard to say if there were any major changes from the ES8000 to the ES9000, or if it was just a marketing ploy to justify a higher price point.

That's the question that's on most peoples mind. Samsung may have been testing the waters with the 9000's price.
Here's my guess. The F8000 line is a rebadged ES9000, now offering sizes 46-75. Seems every year, manufactures raise the price of the new line. I expect the F8000 line will cost a little more then the ES8000 equivalents. Hopefully, the price difference between the UN65F8000 and the UN75F8000 will not be 3 times, like it is now. However you can find the UN75ES9000 selling for around $7,200 now on many internet sites.
post #417 of 3645
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Originally Posted by jetjocky View Post

Buzz Great aircraft the A-6 Rugged and yet Handsome. Nam? Me Phu Cat 70-71 F-4 Rugged as well just not handsome! But got me back in one Piece. Marine huh, all my marine friends were top notch aviators, Semper Fi and check 6.

Da Nang, also 70-71. After airline hire, 130's at NAS Glenview, IL until I had to quit in late '78 to cut my income due to divorce proceedings. Clunky aircraft but fun squadron containing only two with 130 backgrounds - all the rest of us were fighter and attack and we knew how to party.

Sorry about the short thread hijack. At least it's all facts. The F8000 begs for numbers and that's where we calibrators come in. I'm looking for a showpiece for 3D LUT sales and this new Samsung might be a winner. cool.gif
post #418 of 3645
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Thanks grhopper. So are you saying the only difference between the LED9000 and the 75" F8000 is the quad core processor? Isn't the quad corre only used in the "Smart features"? If so, I could care less. I have little interest in those extras.

Me either, but it looks like we're stuck with them if we want the best PQ Sammy has to offer. Whatever that's worth... rolleyes.gif
post #419 of 3645
Buzz... location ? I will have need for your calibration expertise after I purchase the 65F8000 .Hopefully, without all the baggage associated with the ES series. Me, Austin Tx.
post #420 of 3645
F8500 LED Presentation Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQlCvCDEGGc
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