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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

One thing I can say is that hockey looked far better on the ES7500 than it did on the 7000 plasma or the ST50. The plasma had issues with black flashes, probably the ABL or something reacting to the bright flood flashes above the stadiums. The LCD didn't have any issues with the flashes. Though banding is more obvious when the camera is constantly panning back and forth to follow the players.

I can tell you one thing that is far worse than any banding or DSE with hockey on LED, trying to watch the Flyers play on an LED with banding and/or DSE eek.gif
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Eagle, including one remote didn't seem to hinder LG all that much. The LM6700/LM7600 only came with the magic motion remote and those were very popular TVs. There are plenty of good universal options, I don't know why you'd rule them all out. If you wanted the TV, then the lack of a standard remote shouldn't be a big deal. Also, unless the new standard remotes are RF (which I highly doubt) then the F series will work with the standard remote from 2012.
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Originally Posted by fatuglyguy View Post

Eagle, including one remote didn't seem to hinder LG all that much. The LM6700/LM7600 only came with the magic motion remote and those were very popular TVs. There are plenty of good universal options, I don't know why you'd rule them all out. If you wanted the TV, then the lack of a standard remote shouldn't be a big deal. Also, unless the new standard remotes are RF (which I highly doubt) then the F series will work with the standard remote from 2012.
The difference is that the LG remote worked incredibly well, while the es8000 smart remote is best used as a paperweight IMO. I have a Harmony One so I guess I dont care either way...
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Hold your apologies for Nu02wrx! That kinda stuff can be Photoshopped. I've seen Hermione's head on another girls body on the internet, so I know it can be done.

And obviously Ken works for Sony by touting the superior picture quality of the HX950 (also the only gorilla-proof TV on the market). And you must know by now that Dustin is a plant by the North Koreans, who are just biding their time until they, and I quote, "will burn the western oppressors retinas with our Supreme Ruler's super-bright edge-lit panel technology." And don't even get me started on CMAY, who single-handedly forced Best Buy to change their return policy from 90 days to 15.

OK. Sorry. I know this place isn't that kind of Forum. Conversations on here should be "educational and informative" like all of the posts before this one.

In case people report me as a troublemaker and maybe ban me like that other bloke, this proves I didn't mean anything by it…smile.gif
post #935 of 3645
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Actually I'll go so far as to say I wonder if any flat panel, plasma or LED, can do hockey without DSE. I've had Fujitsu & Pioneer Kuro plasmas, Sony & Sharp LEDs and all of them showed DSE to one degree or another on hockey. It seems to be inescapable. frown.gif
Yup, I did and I'm back. I met nu02wrx (he may prefer the anonymity, so no names) and he's really a hell of a nice guy. Again my apologies to him for doubting the floor model's existence.

I have to say my initial impression was one of disappointment. He had it looking better than he said it did yesterday, but you could clearly see evidence of the edge lighting and its unevenness. There was also a black level fluctuation that appeared at times in some dark scenes with brighter objects. On the left hand side of the screen, you could pretty clearly make out one of the zones. In all fairness, we're not at all sure all of the adjustments are where they should be. It's very hard (especially for someone that's never had a Sammy before) to figure out the interaction of the myriad of controls for LED lighting, black levels etc. It's really bewildering and I'm pretty good with this stuff. The Samsung seems to have more picture parameter adjustments than most displays I've seen. The Sony has quite a few too, but having had Sonys, it's not as daunting to me.

I can tell you that after having seen the Sony XBR950 earlier, the Sony displayed a picture with greater depth without the anomalies I saw on the Samsung, but with its local dimming and heftier price tag, that's probably expected. We both felt the Sony had the superior picture.

I'll hold off coming to any conclusion until I see one that's been ISF'd by someone that really understands the interaction of the adjustments.

One thing I have noticed... Once you are used to watching full array with local dimming, edge bleed and flashlighting are more noticeable when you take a look at edge lit LEDs. Definitely surprised to hear your comments, but I do know from my experience with ES8000s were that they looked pretty crappy out of the box and hopefully the F8000s can be calibrated to perfection. Did you notice was was mentioned previously about them having a more toned down look image wise compared to the es8000 pop? At least you didn't notice any dead pixels or banding, then i would have a new QC coal to throw in the fire. LOL.
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Originally Posted by agkss View Post

Ken Ross what size is the tv? And it's a shame that all the features of the F8000 doesn't solve the eventual problems that appeared on ES8000.
Greetings

They had the 55" on display.

Geeweempose, not sure about the port on the back.
post #937 of 3645
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

One thing I have noticed... Once you are used to watching full array with local dimming, edge bleed and flashlighting are more noticeable when you take a look at edge lit LEDs. Definitely surprised to hear your comments, but I do know from my experience with ES8000s were that they looked pretty crappy out of the box and hopefully the F8000s can be calibrated to perfection. Did you notice was was mentioned previously about them having a more toned down look image wise compared to the es8000 pop? At least you didn't notice any dead pixels or banding, then i would have a new QC coal to throw in the fire. LOL.

Actaully nu02wrx, to his credit, did not have it in torch mode, so I can't address that comparison. Most of the E8000s I've seen have been in torch mode. I certainly didn't try to put it in that mode and with the settings that had been dialed in, I'd call the picture relatively 'tame', certainly much more so than the E8000s I've seen. Again, I don't think that's the limitation of the display, but rather the settings that were dialed in. In fact, they were trying out the E8000s settings that had been used prior by either the store display or one of the associates that owns one, not sure. I'm not sure if this had been one that was previously ISF'd, but they seemed to like what it did to their 8000.

I did comment to nu02wrx that the picture didn't have a lot of 'pop' and looked somewhat flat, but again the settings were what they were and I don't have any experience with Sammys to know what to dial in with any degree of confidence.

Cmay, very true about acclimating to full array and then watching edge lit. I'm not sure if I can make that leap. This is why I'd like to see the F8500 before making a decision. It may come down to that or the 65" XBR950. It's just a bummer that the last run of 70" Elites were so bad.
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Actaully nu02wrx, to his credit, did not have it in torch mode, so I can't address that comparison. Most of the E8000s I've seen have been in torch mode. I certainly didn't try to put it in that mode and with the settings that had been dialed in, I'd call the picture relatively 'tame', certainly much more so than the E8000s I've seen. Again, I don't think that's the limitation of the display, but rather the settings that were dialed in. In fact, they were trying out the E8000s settings that had been used prior by either the store display or one of the associates that owns one, not sure. I'm not sure if this had been one that was previously ISF'd, but they seemed to like what it did to their 8000.

I did comment to nu02wrx that the picture didn't have a lot of 'pop' and looked somewhat flat, but again the settings were what they were and I don't have any experience with Sammys to know what to dial in with any degree of confidence.

Cmay, very true about acclimating to full array and then watching edge lit. I'm not sure if I can make that leap. This is why I'd like to see the F8500 before making a decision. It may come down to that or the 65" XBR950. It's just a bummer that the last run of 70" Elites were so bad.

If the F8500 is under consideration, any thought to the 65ZT60 as well?
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Originally Posted by nu02wrx View Post

new remote, seeing if this works





have more pics but I'm working, will try more later. Accepting apologies starting ........ now.

These can't be really pics, they don't have the set on Long Island yet . . .rolleyes.gif
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Well we just got a whole shipment of them in North Korea! eek.gif
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Originally Posted by fatuglyguy View Post

Eagle, including one remote didn't seem to hinder LG all that much. The LM6700/LM7600 only came with the magic motion remote and those were very popular TVs. There are plenty of good universal options, I don't know why you'd rule them all out. If you wanted the TV, then the lack of a standard remote shouldn't be a big deal. Also, unless the new standard remotes are RF (which I highly doubt) then the F series will work with the standard remote from 2012.

The difference is I hear lots of good things about the LG motion remote. By contrast, most disliked the Samsung touch remote.

The 2011 qwerty remote worked with the 2012 sets - I can say that for a fact. The keyboard side didn't work but the regular remote side worked fine.

The point is last year we got 2 remotes, this year we get 1. The wrong one. What's wrong with a regular remote? Why force the touch thing onto us, when it's actually more work? With my Panasonic touch remote for the blu-ray player, it's 3 times as much effort to have to pull up on-screen menus to navigate and do simple tasks that only take a single button push with their standard remote. And remembering all the different swipe combos is ridiculous.

And it sounds like in Europe, they're getting both remotes. According to the review posted a few pages back, they said those who don't like the touch remote will be happy to hear you get the standard remote also. So why should I be happy that we're not getting it here?

As far as a universal remote - I already said that we do not have extra funds for a universal remote. And a universal remote will never have all the buttons that a dedicated remote has. Will the universal remote have a special 3D button? Or smarthub? Or other dedicated buttons? No. I will have to program them and then remember which buttons they are, since they won't be labeled obviously. We certainly can't afford an expensive remote with a screen. Not everybody is made of money - for us, this is an expensive purchase, and we have no extra money to spare on things like extra remotes that cost $50-$150. Especially when last year we got the standard remote included in the box and we both liked it.
Edited by eagle_2 - 3/7/13 at 3:37pm
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A Logitech harmony 650 retails for $70, and they can often be found for much less than that. There is a bit of learning curve if you've never programmed one before, but they're the best solution for controlling multiple devices in the price range. Any command that the remote doesn't have a button for gets relegated to the LCD screen on the remote, in which you can store pages upon pages of commands.

They're really not that expensive. If you're considering a ~$2,000 46" TV then I don't really buy that you just can't afford $60 for a remote, sorry.
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Originally Posted by fatuglyguy View Post

A Logitech harmony 650 retails for $70, and they can often be found for much less than that. There is a bit of learning curve if you've never programmed one before, but they're the best solution for controlling multiple devices in the price range. Any command that the remote doesn't have a button for gets relegated to the LCD screen on the remote, in which you can store pages upon pages of commands.

They're really not that expensive. If you're considering a ~$2,000 46" TV then I don't really buy that you just can't afford $60 for a remote, sorry.

The point is we don't have another $70. $70 to replace something that came in the box last year. If I told my girlfriend I spent $70 for a remote I probably wouldn't eat for the next week to pay for it. For many people, $70 is a lot of money for a remote. And I just don't like universal remotes. I just don't. I like dedicated remotes. If I want 3D, I hit the 3D button. If I want the smarthub, I hit the smarthub button. Nothing confusing to program. And my receiver remote has like 100 different buttons on it and I could never get them all programmed into a universal remote no matter how advanced it is.

The bottom line is I don't want to buy a remote when last year we bought the ES7500 and got the standard remote included. Now this year even the 80000 doesn't come with it.

I don't really care honestly if you "buy" that we can't afford it. Whatever. It took a ton of convincing to get my girlfriend open to the idea that we were going to spend what we spent on the ES7500. Her folks spent $400 for a Vizio, just so you know where they're coming from. Just because we're making payments for the next 2 years on our Best Buy account to pay for the ES7500 that we don't even have any more because we got it refunded as a gift card, doesn't mean we have all the money in the world to spend on every extra that we want.

People also have other expenses by the way besides entertainment - our car got totalled in October and so we had to buy a used car - in January the transmission failed, and we had to get it repaired out of our own pocket, plus some other repairs. So yeah, we don't have $70 for a remote.
Edited by eagle_2 - 3/7/13 at 4:32pm
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

The difference is I hear lots of good things about the LG motion remote. By contrast, most disliked the Samsung touch remote.

The 2011 qwerty remote worked with the 2012 sets - I can say that for a fact. The keyboard side didn't work but the regular remote side worked fine.

The point is last year we got 2 remotes, this year we get 1. The wrong one. What's wrong with a regular remote? Why force the touch thing onto us, when it's actually more work? With my Panasonic touch remote for the blu-ray player, it's 3 times as much effort to have to pull up on-screen menus to navigate and do simple tasks that only take a single button push with their standard remote. And remembering all the different swipe combos is ridiculous.

And it sounds like in Europe, they're getting both remotes. According to the review posted a few pages back, they said those who don't like the touch remote will be happy to hear you get the standard remote also. So why should I be happy that we're not getting it here?

As far as a universal remote - I already said that we do not have extra funds for a universal remote. And a universal remote will never have all the buttons that a dedicated remote has. Will the universal remote have a special 3D button? Or smarthub? Or other dedicated buttons? No. I will have to program them and then remember which buttons they are, since they won't be labeled obviously. We certainly can't afford an expensive remote with a screen. Not everybody is made of money - for us, this is an expensive purchase, and we have no extra money to spare on things like extra remotes that cost $50-$150. Especially when last year we got the standard remote included in the box and we both liked it.

Eagle, if you wind up getting an F8000 and if the ES8000 remote works with it, you are more than welcome to it. I still have a ton of accessories from all of the ES8000s I returned unopened. PM when/if you get one and I'll send it to you.
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Eagle, if you wind up getting an F8000 and if the ES8000 remote works with it, you are more than welcome to it. I still have a ton of accessories from all of the ES8000s I returned unopened. PM when/if you get one and I'll send it to you.

That's a very kind offer. Very much appreciated. Well we'll see how it all works out, but I'll definitely keep you in mind then if we end up getting the 8000. Thanks again for the offer.
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Apologies for doubting nu02wrx. What panel version is on display?
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

If the F8500 is under consideration, any thought to the 65ZT60 as well?

I like the idea of the greatly enhanced brightness of the F8500, so I think after living with LED, it would be a better fit for me than the ZT.
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I'm more hopeful about the F8000 than I was earlier today. I corresponded with Robert from VE who has been playing with his for the last 2 days. Robert is anal about video like many of us and probably knows how to set these up better. He's noticed no flashlighting (I didn't either) and very good screen uniformity. He did not see any of the anomalies that I did.

He's having it calibrated tomorrow and I'd like to get up there to see it in the near future.
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Originally Posted by Justin Sullins View Post

What panel version is on display?

The 2013 Panel Lottery has officially begun....get your Tickets here:

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/ wink.gif
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Thread Starter 
This is off topic, but here's what I just read here in this thread:

"Guys, we might not be able to make rent this month, but we are thinking about buying this TV. Oh, and we won't have anything left over for cable or even for Redbox. What do you think of this plan?"

I'm paraphrasing, but it really reads that way.
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

This is off topic, but here's what I just read here in this thread:

"Guys, we might not be able to make rent this month, but we are thinking about buying this TV. Oh, and we won't have anything left over for cable or even for Redbox. What do you think of this plan?"

I'm paraphrasing, but it really reads that way.

rolleyes.gif

Because people can't save up for something, or decide to make payments for something nice they don't normally buy, right? Nice that you decided to come in here and comment on people's financial situations though. Exactly what was your point?

This thread seems rather hostile, with some exceptions.
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I like dedicated remotes. If I want 3D, I hit the 3D button. If I want the smarthub, I hit the smarthub button. Nothing confusing to program. And my receiver remote has like 100 different buttons on it and I could never get them all programmed into a universal remote no matter how advanced it is.

I'm not in any way trying to sway you towards purchasing a universal remote, but you should at least be aware of the facts. A quality universal remote is fully capable of learning and mimicking the commands of every single button on every remote you own. You in no way would be forced to sacrifice any functionality, and you would gain the convenience of not having to deal with 5-6 separate remotes.
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

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Because people can't save up for something, or decide to make payments for something nice they don't normally buy, right? Nice that you decided to come in here and comment on people's financial situations though. Exactly what was your point?

This thread seems rather hostile, with some exceptions.

Rogo, since you felt a need to preach, so will I.

Just because you or I have the ability to go out and buy a $5000 tv on a whim, doesn't mean we have the right to belittle or preach to someone who works really hard for every penny they earn, let alone tell them how they should spend their money. Buying a tv is a huge expense for many requiring months or years of saving. When they finally save enough, paying another $50 for a remote IS a big deal. Just be thankful for what you have and remember not everyone is as fortunate.

Let's keep these threads about home theater stuff and not finance 101.
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+1 cmay, very well said
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+3 I'm from south america and I know how difficult is to buy one of these "high end" tv's
Greetings eagle_2 and very bad for samsung, how they couldn't put a "standard" remote control on their new "Flagship" tv...no everyone use "the smart remote".
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

And I just don't like universal remotes. I just don't. I like dedicated remotes

Same with me. I bought a Harmony, but it was not harmonious with me. OK, the volume button works. But when I want to enable the zoom function or subtitles on my Oppo, I have to go through several pages....? I rather grab the Oppo remote.

It is like the taxi drivers in Hong Kong. Some of them have 4 mobile phones stuck to their dashboard. I can handle 4 remote controls and eat pizza at the same time. Just like the taxi drivers with 4 mobile phones while driving the taxi.
Edited by turboman123 - 3/7/13 at 7:13pm
post #958 of 3645
I pretty much had the same impression as Ken. He came by the store and had a great conversation, come back anytime! Always good to talk to someone who knows his stuff!
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Whether or not you can afford a $4000 TV is a moot point now. Most people who are here know they will be paying a premium for this TV, and they won't settle for anything but "flagship" when it comes to their viewing entertainment. We all know that you can't help but trip over a $495 Visio in the aisles at Walmart. I can buy a cheap (and good) TV on Amazon for $500. Now I, for one, wouldn't pin my entire decision on a TV remote. But you can't fault a guy for his standards. Because his standards are almost the same as everybody else's here – Best TV. Give me the best TV I can afford. Oh, speaking of that…If the Sony XBR HX950 dropped in price $1000, to $4100, would this thread cease to exist? I can't help but notice the posters here don't LOVE the Samsung product. Is the only reason the Sony product isn't eating the Samsung cupcake is because $5100 is just a stupid, crazy price for a 65" flat panel? What does Donald Trump watch Netflix on?
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Well, I can only speak for myself, but if there was a 46" HX950, or if the 55" was several hundred cheaper, to put it around the price of the F8000, I would certainly be at least looking at that set, and giving it some serious consideration. I'm keeping my eye on the Panasonics too this year, though my experience with last year's Panasonic plasma ST50 left me underwhelmed. Some goofy decisions that affected how I would be viewing the set, and in the end, I decided to go with LCD.

Personally, the only reason I'm giving Samsung even a consideration after the terrible quality of their sets last year (from what I experienced anyways) and the awful customer service that took months to get things resolved, is because they are just within that barely affordable price we've settled on, especially after they've been out for a little bit and Best Buy starts throwing some huge sales on them. I wish there were other options really. What's frustrating is there were times when I was blown away with the picture of my Samsung last year, but the panel was clearly defective, and the quality control is just not acceptable for such an expensive set. When they look good, they look really good. But when the panels have flaws, they're awful.
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