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post #61 of 834
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I went to a local retailer to have a look at the 70" 857 which they just put up next to an 80" 844. I am in the market for the 80" and wanted to compare the esthetics of the sets. I much prefer the look of the new 857. That said, the 70" 857 had the same clouding as this picture but the 80" 844 had zero clouding. The sales rep said both TVs are on the factory settings but the 80" has been up for 6 months or so (would that make a difference?). Seeing this makes me lean towards the 844.

I'm in Canada and was told (don't believe it 100%) that the 80" 857 won't be out until the summer (Sharp press release says April) and that the asking price will be $1000-$1500 more than the 80" 844 (so $6500 - $7000 here). This is really frustrating. Price on both sets is way too high. I don't want to make a decision without seeing the actual 80" and knowing the pricing but I don't want to wait it out just to find out they are asking $7000.

I'm still waiting to hear back from Sharp support about my issue. I sent in a bunch of pictures. So we'll see what they say. If they think it's "normal" I'll be sure to let everyone know here. If you spend a lot of time watching dark movies in a very dimly lit room I guarantee you it's going to bother you. However, image wise the picture is quite nice for an 80" TV at this price. I'm very satisfied with that. Not sure if that helps. I think my 844 wasn't as bad because it was directly back lit but definitely still had some lighter spots in nearly black scenes and credits.
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Originally Posted by stevenpaulrhodes View Post

The press release talks about a brighter picture in this years models. Does it seem brighter?

Also how much is reflection a problem?

Yes, I would say overall the picture does see slightly brighter than my 844 was. However, I have it set pretty low with all the auto brightness stuff turned off to try and help lower the clouding issue.

As far as reflection goes it does seem to have some kind of anti reflection coating. It certainly is NOT a straight gloss. It's a huge TV though, so if you have any bright sources directly behind it, I'm willing to bet they're going to annoy you. I put mine on a downward tilt and that seems to have helped quite a bit.


Another note for everyone. I'm not sure if this set can be ISF tuned yet. I'm working with Turbe from controlcal and currently his software does not work on it. It causes the set to "reboot". He thinks it's possible they may have disabled the ISF feature set on this model as he has seen some issues with some of Sharps other models. Sharp wants you to buy their PRO models. Anyway, if this changes I'll let everyone know but if ISF calibration is important to you, you may want to look into that before purchasing the 857u, the 844 can be fully calibrated (and has been by a several popular calibrators).
Edited by djwishbone - 4/10/13 at 8:27am
post #62 of 834
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Originally Posted by djwishbone View Post

I'm still waiting to hear back from Sharp support about my issue. I sent in a bunch of pictures. So we'll see what they say. If they think it's "normal" I'll be sure to let everyone know here. If you spend a lot of time watching dark movies in a very dimly lit room I guarantee you it's going to bother you. However, image wise the picture is quite nice for an 80" TV at this price. I'm very satisfied with that. Not sure if that helps. I think my 844 wasn't as bad because it was directly back lit but definitely still had some lighter spots in nearly black scenes and credits.
Yes, I would say overall the picture does see slightly brighter than my 844 was. However, I have it set pretty low with all the auto brightness stuff turned off to try and help lower the clouding issue.

As far as reflection goes it does seem to have some kind of anti reflection coating. It certainly it's a straight gloss. It's a huge TV though, so if you have any bright sources directly behind it, I'm willing to bet they're going to annoy you. I put mine on a downward tilt and that seems to have helped quite a bit.


Another note for everyone. I'm not sure if this set can be ISF tuned yet. I'm working with Turbe from controlcal and currently his software does not work on it. It causes the set to "reboot". He thinks it's possible they may have disabled the ISF feature set on this model as he has seen some issues with some of Sharps other models. Sharp wants you to buy their PRO models. Anyway, if this changes I'll let everyone know but if ISF calibration is important to you, you may want to look into that before purchasing the 857u, the 844 can be fully calibrated (and has been by a several popular calibrators).

How is the intelligent contrast engine feature? Does it make the contrast look better? How about some images of the TV with Blu-ray and HD pictures? If you have 844u too it would get great to see same scene image on both as comparison.
post #63 of 834
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Originally Posted by SonyHome View Post

How is the intelligent contrast engine feature? Does it make the contrast look better? How about some images of the TV with Blu-ray and HD pictures? If you have 844u too it would get great to see same scene image on both as comparison.

I found that the auto modes are annoying personally and have shut them all off, more or less. Active contrast in advanced mode bleeds everything out and makes the image look horrible. It's not as bad on standard mode but I still think the image looks better with it off. The image looks slightly "sharper" in standard mode but subjectively I think it still looks better with it off.

Sorry I dont have the 844 any longer. It had a bad hdmi board and they replaced the entire tv (it was brand new) with the new model.
post #64 of 834
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Originally Posted by djwishbone View Post

I found that the auto modes are annoying personally and have shut them all off, more or less. Active contrast in advanced mode bleeds everything out and makes the image look horrible. It's not as bad on standard mode but I still think the image looks better with it off. The image looks slightly "sharper" in standard mode but subjectively I think it still looks better with it off.

Sorry I dont have the 844 any longer. It had a bad hdmi board and they replaced the entire tv (it was brand new) with the new model.

Thanks for the feedback.

Besides the new look which I like, I was thinking intelligent contrast engine would produce great contrast similar to the Elite's Intelligent Variable Contrast feature but perhaps not based on your comment.

My first 844u, I actually liked the contrast with 'Active Contrast' on but on my second 844u which I got directly from Sharp I turned it off because it crushed the blacks. For some reason my second 844u produced better contrast than my first unit, in my opinion since I felt that original one looked dull without the Active Contrast on. I noticed new unit serial # started with 'B' where as first unit had 'A' so they could have done some kind of improvement.
post #65 of 834
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Originally Posted by djwishbone View Post

As far as reflection goes it does seem to have some kind of anti reflection coating. It certainly it's a straight gloss. It's a huge TV though, so if you have any bright sources directly behind it, I'm willing to bet they're going to annoy you. I put mine on a downward tilt and that seems to have helped quite a bit.

So the 857 is more reflective than the 844?
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Originally Posted by rjruby View Post

So the 857 is more reflective than the 844?

Ack sorry, it is NOT a straight gloss. Sorry about that. I'd say it's about the same. It has some kinda of coating that appears to help with reflection.
post #67 of 834
Sharp is going to replace my unit but because it's so new they claim they don't have any stock. "Stores get them first". Not a huge deal to me, but sounds like it'll be a couple of weeks before I know if a second TV is any better. I'll try to keep the thread updated for those interested. At least they didn't say "this is normal"? Seems like a pretty common issue, but obviously they felt it warranted replacement.
post #68 of 834
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Sharp is going to replace my unit but because it's so new they claim they don't have any stock. "Stores get them first". Not a huge deal to me, but sounds like it'll be a couple of weeks before I know if a second TV is any better. I'll try to keep the thread updated for those interested. At least they didn't say "this is normal"? Seems like a pretty common issue, but obviously they felt it warranted replacement.

Good to know. Im going to bite the bullet and buy a new one online tonight, I will report in as well once I receive it.

-Sayajin
post #69 of 834
Does anyone know if the stand comes attached or if you hwve to assemble it on the 70".
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Does anyone know if the stand comes attached or if you hwve to assemble it on the 70".

The stand is not attached. You must attach it.
post #71 of 834
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Originally Posted by rjruby View Post

The stand is not attached. You must attach it.

Any advice on the best way to accomplish that.
post #72 of 834
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Originally Posted by fiddler11 View Post

Any advice on the best way to accomplish that.

Check this manual

http://bmc.brandsmartusa.com/ProductData/ProductFiles/20160560.pdf
post #73 of 834
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Originally Posted by rjruby View Post

Check this manual

http://bmc.brandsmartusa.com/ProductData/ProductFiles/20160560.pdf

Thanks I figured it out.
post #74 of 834
Ok I just got the 70le857. This tv replaces my 3rd 65es8000. Initial impressions... no vertical banding whatsoever. However I do have slight clouding and 4 flaslights. The flashlighting in the bottom right hand corner extends half way in to the middle of the screen. The color on this tv is so deep. Its hard to explain but the blues and pinks and other lighter shades really standout. It looks amazing. I decided to leave it on all day while I am at work to see of that helps with the flashlighting.
post #75 of 834
What retailers have the 857 70" and 80" in stock?
post #76 of 834
Has anyone heard if Costco or sams club is getting the sharp 8 series in the 70 inch?
post #77 of 834
how did the flashlighting turn out after leaving the tv on all day.
post #78 of 834
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Originally Posted by Kachoo View Post

how did the flashlighting turn out after leaving the tv on all day.

Left it on all weekend...no change in the flashlighting. Also tried watching resident evil afterlife in 3d last night. There is so much crosstalk that it was virtuly unwatchable. Basicly any element of the movie that had depth had blur and or crosstalk.
post #79 of 834
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What retailers have the 857 70" and 80" in stock?

In edmonton alberta bestbuy, futureshop and visions all have the 70 but noone has the 80 yet.
post #80 of 834
My tv is going in a very bright room, I do not think will have issues with flashlighting 3d is a concern
post #81 of 834
It may be your blue ray player have you tried other 3d movies....
post #82 of 834
I just got the 80" 857 today. Wow this thing is huge and heavy. I have a buddy coming over soon to help me carry it up the stairs to the game room and attach the stand temporarily until I can hang it on the wall. The instructions seem to state you need to lay the TV down with the screen facing the floor to attach the stand..... Has anyone tried this? With a TV this size I thought laying it down screen first would damage the TV.
post #83 of 834
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Originally Posted by rs808 View Post

I just got the 80" 857 today. Wow this thing is huge and heavy. I have a buddy coming over soon to help me carry it up the stairs to the game room and attach the stand temporarily until I can hang it on the wall. The instructions seem to state you need to lay the TV down with the screen facing the floor to attach the stand..... Has anyone tried this? With a TV this size I thought laying it down screen first would damage the TV.

I also had reservations I have the 70 857. However I set the top half on the couch and the bottom half I rested on the styrofoam packaging from the box and was very gentle. Worked fine.
post #84 of 834
Great, thanks for the tip.
post #85 of 834
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Originally Posted by rs808 View Post

I just got the 80" 857 today. Wow this thing is huge and heavy. I have a buddy coming over soon to help me carry it up the stairs to the game room and attach the stand temporarily until I can hang it on the wall. The instructions seem to state you need to lay the TV down with the screen facing the floor to attach the stand..... Has anyone tried this? With a TV this size I thought laying it down screen first would damage the TV.

The way that I did it twice with the 844 was to place the stand on the ground and just lift the tv with the help of another and place it directly on the stand. Not easy but seemed like the "safest" way to do it. These tvs are a bit chunky (weight wise anyway) and I really wish they would of left the speakers off personally. I hope my 844 wall mount can hold it ok.
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Thanks for the tips on attaching the stand. I ended up laying it down on the dining room table and that worked out fine.
I'm not seeing any flash-lighting but I do see some clouding when the input source is off but it's not something I notice at all while watching normal TV in a dark room. I haven't messed with the picture settings much except for turning off the power saver and lowering the brightness. One thing I am seeing on my 80" 857 which is annoying is picture jitter during fast moving scenes while watching movies on Directv using the Genie. Funny thing is I don't see this at all when watching basketball. Anyone have any idea how to adjust the picture in a way to minimize this jitter?

Another thing I wanted to note is as soon as I plugged the TV into my network it got a new update. Not sure yet what the update did.

Thanks in advance for replies on question.
post #87 of 834
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Originally Posted by rs808 View Post

Thanks for the tips on attaching the stand. I ended up laying it down on the dining room table and that worked out fine.
I'm not seeing any flash-lighting but I do see some clouding when the input source is off but it's not something I notice at all while watching normal TV in a dark room. I haven't messed with the picture settings much except for turning off the power saver and lowering the brightness. One thing I am seeing on my 80" 857 which is annoying is picture jitter during fast moving scenes while watching movies on Directv using the Genie. Funny thing is I don't see this at all when watching basketball. Anyone have any idea how to adjust the picture in a way to minimize this jitter?

Another thing I wanted to note is as soon as I plugged the TV into my network it got a new update. Not sure yet what the update did.

Thanks in advance for replies on question.

I also noticed the update without much information. For those that have asked the clouding hasn't gotten any better with age. It's pretty bad with the lights out in very dark scenes so I'm looking forward to a replacement.

As far as the jitter goes, does turning film mode off help? Also try playing with the motion modes. I've noticed that film mode does all sorts of horrible things to motion, but does make the picture look quite nice (for those that like that look).
post #88 of 834
if motion modes, refresh setting or movie mode do not affect the jitter, might I suggest you select 1080i from your genie box as the input and turn off any upconversion you might have through an AVR. these sets are fussy about 720p or 1080p60 input. they are okay with native bluray (1080p24) and 1080i60. anything else and you get herky jerky stuttering motion.

Best,
jeff
post #89 of 834
It's interesting that you point that out. I had some issues with motion when trying to use 60hz from my HTPC. However setting it to 1080p24 had a lot of issues with the image blanking out a lot. I think I have the drivers in my htpc configured correctly now but the TV no longer reports 1080p 24hz, it just says 1080p, but the htpc is claiming that it's doing 24hz. Anyway, don't have that all figure out yet but I definitely agree. At 24 everything looked a lot better than with an up converted 60.
post #90 of 834
the best solution though is to for HD video content (which is either 720p or 1080i60), is to feed the set 1080i60. feed bluray as native also. trying to make things easy on the set by upconverting it for it, turns out to be bad. this was discussed in a different thread that I can't find right now.

Best,
jeff
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