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post #121 of 1868
Can anyone either confirm or deny this F8500 will be available in the US in 51"? It's been confirmed that Panasonic has abandoned the 50" high end market and will only offer the ST60 series and below in this size. Early indications are 51, 60 and 64" but unclear as to which sizes will be available in US. Thanks!
post #122 of 1868
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Originally Posted by HarddTimezz View Post

Can anyone either confirm or deny this F8500 will be available in the US in 51"? It's been confirmed that Panasonic has abandoned the 50" high end market and will only offer the ST60 series and below in this size. Early indications are 51, 60 and 64" but unclear as to which sizes will be available in US. Thanks!

Samsug_2013_PDP_Product_Guidea.pdf 863k .pdf file

Larry
post #123 of 1868
Thanks Larry! This set looks spectacular and may very well prove to be the best bang for the buck for those of us looking for a high end display in a more accommodating size.
post #124 of 1868
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Nice. There's a HDTV I always wanted but could never afford..
I owned a Samdung LCD panel previously...it was doable until I got the Kuro. biggrin.gif I shuddered every time I saw the uneven backlight of the former. mad.gif They have made some improvements since then. wink.gif
post #125 of 1868
post #126 of 1868
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Originally Posted by biker19 View Post

Review of the PN51F5500:

http://reviews.*******************.com/samsung-plasma-tv/samsung-pn51f5500.html

This is probably the least professional review of a TV I have read. Let's wait to see what the professional calibrators have to say.
Edited by hungro - 1/30/13 at 10:09am
post #127 of 1868
post #128 of 1868
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Originally Posted by biker19 View Post

Review of the PN51F5500:

http://reviews.*******************.com/samsung-plasma-tv/samsung-pn51f5500.html

Just like the so-called review of the ST60, there's nothing that suggests that the guy has even seen the set in person. It's completely vague and probably just based off of the publicized specs.
post #129 of 1868
Seriously? How can you tell? All I see are stars for the site name, and the broken link takes me to an avsforum.com error page, as the whole site name is replaced by avsforum.com. What is the deal with avsforum censoring certain site names? I noticed this before just mentioning "Chubby Billfold" .com, not even making a link to it.
post #130 of 1868
Plasma Buying Guide. Not really a review.
post #131 of 1868
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Originally Posted by tima94930 View Post

Seriously? How can you tell? All I see are stars for the site name, and the broken link takes me to an avsforum.com error page, as the whole site name is replaced by avsforum.com. What is the deal with avsforum censoring certain site names? I noticed this before just mentioning "Chubby Billfold" .com, not even making a link to it.
Lemme' help by quoting from the Panasonic 2013 thread:
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Originally Posted by whipit View Post

They don't allow some sites linked for the sponsors sake.
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

If that link you're trying to post is plasma tv buying guide by any chance, it's blocked because it's a sham site that is really an advertising site disguising itself as an impartial review and information site. The info they post is often wrong, fake, or plucked from other sites.
post #132 of 1868
I did not know about the AVSForum objections to some sites. For anyone interested just do a Google search for review of the full model number PN51F8500 - you'll have to judge the review for yourself.
post #133 of 1868
Yea I've read every review available and most just repeat what other reviewers said word for word.. Seeing we're heading into February hopefully there will be more out, especially since the release is suppose to be in the 1st quarter for this year..
Getting pretty itchy waiting though smile.gif
In the meantime I'm researching wall mounts, need a full range articulating type that can also move vertically a few inches but extend out a minimum 18 inches(I'm sure that's going to be a harder find then reviews for the TV lol..
post #134 of 1868
Really hope AVS is not blocking them due to an agreement with forum advertisers. I am inclined to call BS on that. If it is true I would be quite disappointed.
post #135 of 1868
Interesting the 8500 is the only one in the lineup that doesn't get the energy star rating (according to the PDF posted above) - I'm guessing due to their touted high brightness levels.
post #136 of 1868
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Originally Posted by sippelmc View Post

Interesting the 8500 is the only one in the lineup that doesn't get the energy star rating (according to the PDF posted above) - I'm guessing due to their touted high brightness levels.

You know, the larger plasmas even before Energy Star 4.0 (or whatever the current standard is) only met the number in some "eco" mode anyway. That mode was so dim and terrible I felt like it was a sham. Maybe on the F8500, Samsung decided not to bother with the sham?
post #137 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

Really hope AVS is not blocking them due to an agreement with forum advertisers. I am inclined to call BS on that. If it is true I would be quite disappointed.

They are blocked because they were exposed some years ago as actually being a marketing company owned by a group of east coast online electronics dealers that were actually one company selling under many different retailer names. Their "unbiased reviews" are actually just marketing or advertising fluff and a lot of the information they provide is either copied from other sites, from press releases, or sometimes even made up.

They are disreputable and misleading, and they compete not only with legitimate AVS sponsers, they also compete with AVS's own online store. Why should AVS allow their competition to be linked on their site?
post #138 of 1868
This TV sounds promising... I'm in the market for a new HDTV this year. Will have to keep a watch on this one.
post #139 of 1868
really excited for the ZT vs F8500 showdown this year...despite shrinking model lineups 2013 is shaping up to be a great year for high-end PDP!
post #140 of 1868
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

They are disreputable and misleading, and they compete not only with legitimate AVS sponsers, they also compete with AVS's own online store. Why should AVS allow their competition to be linked on their site?

Because it's bad form to censor the innocent? It's just bad, period. I didn't even link to "Corpulent Coinpurse" .com when I responded to someone asking about extended warranties and mentioned that I got a coupon for $40 off one from "Equal-sided-quadrilateral Exchange" .com thanks to reading their forum. That said, I do concede it's fun to think up alternate names for sites. BTW, I had no idea AVS has an online store, and linking their censorship policy to it doesn't encourage me to investigate it further.
post #141 of 1868
Nobody else thinks that the new stands are even worse than the spider legs? I don't understand why they couldn't have kept the old "floating" stand.
post #142 of 1868
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Originally Posted by JMUdukes07 View Post

Nobody else thinks that the new stands are even worse than the spider legs? I don't understand why they couldn't have kept the old "floating" stand.

Nothing could be worse than the spider legs.
post #143 of 1868
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Originally Posted by hhaller View Post

Nothing could be worse than the spider legs.

Oh, the 4 prongs? The Cylon starship? That stand is like a Rorschach. The only common response is hatred.

I actually kinda like the new design. The loop will give me something to grab onto as I slide it around my Anthrocart. I always stick a bunch of 1" plastic furniture sliders under the base to make this easy, which is the practical reason I hated the prongs; they didn't seem to have enough surface area for that.
post #144 of 1868
This is without a doubt the most striking set ever produced. I may purchase it just as a decoration! LOL
post #145 of 1868
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Originally Posted by JMUdukes07 View Post

Nobody else thinks that the new stands are even worse than the spider legs? I don't understand why they couldn't have kept the old "floating" stand.

No, I don't think they are worse.
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Originally Posted by tima94930 View Post

Oh, the 4 prongs? The Cylon starship? That stand is like a Rorschach. The only common response is hatred.

The old stand is Cylon evil!
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I actually kinda like the new design. The loop will give me something to grab onto as I slide it around my Anthrocart. I always stick a bunch of 1" plastic furniture sliders under the base to make this easy, which is the practical reason I hated the prongs; they didn't seem to have enough surface area for that.

I kinda like it too. I also tend to use sliders on my stuff. The question is why did I forget to do that on my Panasonic? Easily fixed!
post #146 of 1868
Anyone have thoughts on the potential mll of this set? I'm going to guess .002 ft/L, since the 60E8000 was hitting near .004ft/L.

I'm guessing at the shootout that this set will lose to the ZT60 in blacks and possibly color, but the F8500 will put out a compelling image that test equipment won't be able to register. It's being said that they've basically eliminated stair stepping this year and have increased resolution.
post #147 of 1868
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

Anyone have thoughts on the potential mll of this set? I'm going to guess .002 ft/L, since the 60E8000 was hitting near .004ft/L.

I'm guessing at the shootout that this set will lose to the ZT60 in blacks and possibly color, but the F8500 will put out a compelling image that test equipment won't be able to register. It's being said that they've basically eliminated stair stepping this year and have increased resolution.

I agree with everything you're saying. The most intriguing aspect will be the brightness level supposedly equal to LED's. I agree this new super contrast panel will give us an image we never expected to see on a plasma with "local dimming technology and new cell structure" this is very exciting. Hell, this F8500 may take the crown with lowest black level and finally put that nail into Panasonic's coffin. "IF" Samsung can beat Panasonic at their own game and produce a plasma equal in black level and 2x's as bright this will be a game changer. Can't wait.
post #148 of 1868
Do we have any more info on a release date? I've seen mention in this thread of Q1, but I was wondering if that still is true.
post #149 of 1868
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

Anyone have thoughts on the potential mll of this set? I'm going to guess .002 ft/L, since the 60E8000 was hitting near .004ft/L.

I'm guessing at the shootout that this set will lose to the ZT60 in blacks and possibly color, but the F8500 will put out a compelling image that test equipment won't be able to register. It's being said that they've basically eliminated stair stepping this year and have increased resolution.


Secret Darbee internal processing..... lololol
post #150 of 1868
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

Secret Darbee internal processing..... lololol

Wouldn't be surprised if they swiped that one, too smile.gif

Starts to make you think there could be a 4k plasma from Samsung next year, since they were able to increase the brightness this much.
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