Originally Posted by Speakerphile
Samsung will leave the market before Pana will. Either that, or they will leave at the same time.
Originally Posted by gmarceau
Exactly, I think their last real innovation with plasma will happen with the 2014 sets and then it's time for 4k OLED (which I think will take over as their new 'plasma') and 4k LED.
There was an article link that was posted over on HDJ in the insider forum that the F8500 and ZT60 seemed so close to OLED and for so much less money, that the author was ready to get his hands on these sets now, that it took away that need to pay a large premium for OLED that some enthusiasts who value picture quality have considered taking.
I am intrigued by the F85000 personally. I think the ZT60 is a slightly better VT50, which means it's an awfully good TV, but it's still got some clear plasma limitations in my mind. What I'm curious about is whether the F85000 blows past any of those limitations.
Rogo, I think you've felt for a while that these sets are basically pretty much 90% or more of what OLED will look like and that we're basically at diminishing returns. Is that still fair to say?
I wondered how close the F8500 got to looking like the 4k OLED prototypes on the showroom floor.
So I definitely think we are at the diminishing returns point and I've explained why before:
a) We have really accurate color and gamma
b) We have really good intrascene and sequential contrast
c) We have really good absolute black levels
d) We have unlimited viewing angles
e) We have solid amibent-light rejection
What we don't have on plasma, however is:
1) Freedom from moments of obvious dither and false contouring
2) Clear instances of brightness limitation on very bright content
3) Enough absolute brightness to go toe-to-toe with LCD
4) The eye-boggling intrascene contract of OLED
5) Absolute pitch black
For a lot of people, the second list is appealing enough to justify spending a lot for upgrades, but how many? That's where a critical evaluation of a set like the F8500 or VT60 gets interesting. If it can do something meaningfully better on (5), it will likely pick up (4) as a matter of course. Is the Samsung really able to deliver on (3)? And if so, it might deliver on (2). As for (1), we'll see. I can tell you a Kevin Miller-calibrated VT50 still suffers there. Blame the content / blame the technology / blame the interaction of the two. I don't care. It's there.
One problem with comparing anything
shown at CES is that the demo material shown on the OLED prototypes wasn't remotely real. It wasn't Rec. 709 content. It wasn't from any source we're able to buy/stream/get at all. So, yeah, I absolutely think the newest plasmas will be close to those OLEDs in real-world performance. I don't know if "90%" is the right number, though.