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post #31 of 1868
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

^Thanks for doing all the legwork, Peter! If this holds in actuality, it looks like I'll still be leaning toward the Panasonic (ZT), though they could be a wash. Still a considerable distance from 0.0004 ftl of the vaunted Kuro 9.5G. ;(
That Kuro is from the future brought by the smartest engineers to our time. It's just so unbelieveable that it has not been beat!
post #32 of 1868
http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/Samsung-F8500-First-Impressions-Review.htm?utm_source=usat&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=collab
post #33 of 1868
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Originally Posted by hungro View Post

That Kuro is from the future brought by the smartest engineers to our time. It's just so unbelieveable that it has not been beat!
Yes, maybe it's alien tech.eek.gif
post #34 of 1868

That site is utter shite. We are talking about a site that gave a 10 out of 10 to the *51"* E8000, not the larger sizes. A plasma with black levels over double that of its larger siblings and roughly 5 times that of the Panasonics.
post #35 of 1868
But is Samsung F8500 plasma ready to take on Panasonic’s best ZT60?
post #36 of 1868
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Originally Posted by PeterG View Post

That site is utter shite. We are talking about a site that gave a 10 out of 10 to the *51"* E8000, not the larger sizes. A plasma with black levels over double that of its larger siblings and roughly 5 times that of the Panasonics.
It would seem their reputation precedes them. It's too bad Robert Zohn of Value Electronics is giving them a ringing endorsement at the bottom of the page, but he does only seem to be endorsing what that article is stating. Still, if they can't be objective with other assessments, it casts a shadow of mistrust over anything they may have to say.

Oh man, I just checked their ZT60 impression, and they preface the article with this humdinger:
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We’re big fans of the Panasonic VT50. That plasma managed to snag our runner-up award for TV of the Year—and it might have taken home that most coveted of prizes had its smart platform been a little better.
Their weighting system is eschewed when they base their ratings so heavily on extemporaneous widgets that are little more than window dressing in comparison to how the TV performs visually.
Edited by vinnie97 - 1/12/13 at 12:45am
post #37 of 1868
Or maybe they are catering to the gen pop who care less about how well the TV performs and more about what they TV can do for them with the actual performance specs being one of the last things they think about......We are not the gen pop here so we care about different things and peopel aregue endlessly over minutae that most people would roll eyes and say the TV turns on Im happy with it....
post #38 of 1868
I just read this interesting little nugget on CNet, courtesy of David K.:

I got a chance to see both the Panasonic and the Samsung plasmas in extended private viewing sessions and suffice it to say, I think both will be able to surpass the mind-bogglingly good Panasonic TC-PVT50 of 2012 at doing what TVs are supposed to do best: make beautiful pictures. I can't wait to review them, nor to test a few other TVs that stood out from a picture quality perspective.

http://ces.cnet.com/8301-34451_1-57563551/the-2013-tvs-of-ces-are-bigger-and-smarter-but-what-about-the-picture/

Interesting statement.
post #39 of 1868
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Samsung Shows F8500 Plasma TV With Near-OLED Picture Quality At CES

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-f8500-plasma-tv-201301122576.htm

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Another interesting statement. wink.gif
Edited by Top_Cat - 1/12/13 at 7:55am
post #40 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-f8500-plasma-tv-201301122576.htm

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Another interesting statement. wink.gif

Beauty:)
Love @ first sight.
post #41 of 1868
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Originally Posted by hhaller View Post

I just read this interesting little nugget on CNet, courtesy of David K.:

I got a chance to see both the Panasonic and the Samsung plasmas in extended private viewing sessions and suffice it to say, I think both will be able to surpass the mind-bogglingly good Panasonic TC-PVT50 of 2012 at doing what TVs are supposed to do best: make beautiful pictures. I can't wait to review them, nor to test a few other TVs that stood out from a picture quality perspective.

http://ces.cnet.com/8301-34451_1-57563551/the-2013-tvs-of-ces-are-bigger-and-smarter-but-what-about-the-picture/

Interesting statement.

It is, but usually run by shear CES emotional excitement. That is why the word "think" is in it. I do wonder how much better, as it will determine which tv I will get smile.gif
post #42 of 1868
Ive got my eye on this guy and the ZT60.
post #43 of 1868
Sorry for posting twice.
post #44 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Or maybe they are catering to the gen pop who care less about how well the TV performs and more about what they TV can do for them with the actual performance specs being one of the last things they think about......We are not the gen pop here so we care about different things and peopel aregue endlessly over minutae that most people would roll eyes and say the TV turns on Im happy with it....
That's what they have their damn phones for. wink.gif
post #45 of 1868
Thread Starter 
In my experience, most of the apps on the Smart TVs are crap. t looks like Samsung's focus with the new Smart Hub is on content - as it should be. Panasonic is trying to integrate more with the phones and tablets - that's smart too because second screening is easier than and more fun than trying to tweet from a TV (not that I'm a tweeter. I'm not.)

The true second screen experience is content dependent. By that I mean the content developers/producers are catching on that people are using phones, tablets, etc. while watching their TV. People aren't tweeting 'from' their TV, they're tweeting 'about' their TV, or rather, about what's 'on' the TV.

See how many shows have those stupid #fillintheblank bugs while watching programs? More and more are on the way.

Personally, I don't tweet, but the next gen who can't live without living in the plankton mentality will love being able to see what their friends are watching and comment on it while it's happening. The TV show producers can use those hashtags to essentially create chat rooms where fans can discuss in realtime what's going on. This opens up a lot of opportunity for advertisers as well.

Apps on a TV not so useful. Making it easier to find content and discuss the content - that's where they'll focus if they want to succeed.

Again, not my cup of tea, but I think that's where viewing is going.

And it will have far more real world value than a game on your TV where you try to play darts with your remote…. :roll eyes:
Edited by boondongle - 1/12/13 at 12:47pm
post #46 of 1868
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Originally Posted by hungro View Post

That Kuro is from the future brought by the smartest engineers to our time. It's just so unbelieveable that it has not been beat!

The Kuro didn't have to deal with the same energy regulations that today's displays have to deal with.
post #47 of 1868
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Originally Posted by keyser View Post

Extremely bright plasma... with frame interpolation(wonder if it works for 3D). Isn't that begging for IR and burn-in problems?

Doubt it. Samsung models the past few years have been rated the best for IR. Panasonic struggles with this issue more than Samsung.
post #48 of 1868
Anyone know the plasma model in this comparison on the Samsung stand?

The frame dont look like the Samsung plasmas. It is a panasonic?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DH0kAr-XNkE#!
post #49 of 1868
In the market for a 46-51 inch display. Would prefer plasma, so it looks like it is this (if the price premium is not too much) or the st60 (or st50 on sale, if it is still around).

Don't need all the bells and whistles, but would like my next TV to have 3d capability.
post #50 of 1868
Thanks for sharing the link to that comparison video.

Pausing the video at the 2:34 mark when the demonstration loop is between scenes
and all 3 screens go to their "Blackest" mode is very telling.

This new Samsung Plasma looks amazing!
post #51 of 1868
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Originally Posted by ptlurking View Post

Thanks for sharing the link to that comparison video.

Pausing the video at the 2:34 mark when the demonstration loop is between scenes
and all 3 screens go to their "Blackest" mode is very telling.

This new Samsung Plasma looks amazing!

Filter looks very good; especially compared to conventional plasma. I have always felt a filter can really make or break a plasma
post #52 of 1868
In my opinion most of current panasonic plasmas on vivid or dynamic mode looks as bright as some LCD panels but new samsung plasma has a better filter.
Edited by alucard3 - 1/13/13 at 7:56am
post #53 of 1868
Does the THX mode in the screen mean's anything or does something to the PQ ?
post #54 of 1868
Color is usually pretty accurate and a lot of stuff mike noise reduction is grayed out, because they are against it. Grayscale may not be bad, but still benefits from calibration.
post #55 of 1868
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Originally Posted by dvrw2 View Post

Anyone know the plasma model in this comparison on the Samsung stand?

The frame dont look like the Samsung plasmas. It is a panasonic?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DH0kAr-XNkE#!

Anyone else noticed whenever he does a close up of the plasma panels you hear a massive amount of buzzing. Hopefully, that's the camera picking that up and nothing more. Then again, with Samsung saying their new plasmas are 2.5 times brighter, it could mean a lot more plasma noise.
post #56 of 1868
Every one Ive ever owned has buzzed, Samsung and Panasonic. Some of you need a new horse...
post #57 of 1868
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Originally Posted by dvrw2 View Post

Anyone know the plasma model in this comparison on the Samsung stand?

The frame dont look like the Samsung plasmas. It is a panasonic?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DH0kAr-XNkE#!

That's the f8500 without the stand. I saw it in person, and its outstanding. I'm torn between this and the panny zt60. The blacks are inky on both.
post #58 of 1868
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Originally Posted by yamvmax View Post

That's the f8500 without the stand. I saw it in person, and its outstanding. I'm torn between this and the panny zt60. The blacks are inky on both.

Oh don't toy with us ! Give us what we want ! We want REAL info...(contrast, color accuracy, sharpness, etc.)biggrin.gif
post #59 of 1868
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Originally Posted by WOLVERNOLE View Post

Oh don't toy with us ! Give us what we want ! We want REAL info...(contrast, color accuracy, sharpness, etc.)biggrin.gif

They were outstanding. The panny seemed a lil more accurate, the Sammy had a Lil more pop, which some might prefer. Both were the best i have ever seen.
post #60 of 1868
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Originally Posted by DaveZ06 View Post

Anyone else noticed whenever he does a close up of the plasma panels you hear a massive amount of buzzing. Hopefully, that's the camera picking that up and nothing more. Then again, with Samsung saying their new plasmas are 2.5 times brighter, it could mean a lot more plasma noise.

I was wondering the same thing about the buzzing noise in the video. I thought maybe it was the light bulb on the screen buzzing.
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