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post #331 of 1868
3/1/13 at 8:44pm
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Originally Posted by rrollens View Post

Did you get a chance to see the ZT60 and F8500 at CES? If so, please share your other observations and comparisons. Thx.

I did not. I am just speculating based on the last few years, manufacturer and insider discussion, and given how the F8500 was built from ground up and the ZT60 is a new panel.

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post #332 of 1868
3/1/13 at 9:12pm
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Originally Posted by rrollens View Post

Did you get a chance to see the ZT60 and F8500 at CES? If so, please share your other observations and comparisons. Thx.
I saw them both, not side by side, but its irrelevant as these units where prototypes and not production models.
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post #333 of 1868
3/2/13 at 2:43am
Hi Cleveland,

If you had to (imagine) seeing them both side by side sort of thing, having seen them both like you say... What would your impression be in comparison of the two prototypes be ?, say for depth of black.

Thanks
post #334 of 1868
3/2/13 at 6:42am
It would be a huge step for Samsung if they could at least tie the VT50/60. I dont think anyone expects them to top the ZT, but these kind of improvements are great for everyone.
post #335 of 1868
3/2/13 at 1:19pm
I do not know how they where set up, so I rather not answer. The contrast for example could have been cranked up therefor not giving the unit its true dark icky blacks.


---They both looked great wink.gif
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post #336 of 1868
3/2/13 at 2:19pm
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

It would be a huge step for Samsung if they could at least tie the VT50/60. I dont think anyone expects them to top the ZT,


It's about time Samsung came out with high end models and don't be so sure it won't top the ZT and Kuro.wink.gif
post #337 of 1868
3/2/13 at 8:13pm
Spec sheet for the F8500

http://www.pn64f8500.com/uploads/pn64f8500af-spec.pdf
post #338 of 1868
3/2/13 at 11:17pm
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

It would be a huge step for Samsung if they could at least tie the VT50/60. I dont think anyone expects them to top the ZT

Actually, if it delivers anywhere near the expected brightness, it will easily top the ZT, except for people who think black level is the only spec that matters. (And really for all we know, it might be better there too.)
post #339 of 1868
3/3/13 at 4:55am
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

Actually, if it delivers anywhere near the brightness, it will easily top the ZT, except for people who think black level is the only spec that matters. (And really for all we know, it might be better there too.)

It's got to be bright for them to actually come out and say" its as bright as a LED" (not saying it will be as bright as the brightest LED lol) but just the fact that they cranked up the brightness AND blacks will get even deeper using local dimming along with a super contrast panel should give this TV a shot at taking the crown as best of the year, possibly maybe more..
post #340 of 1868
3/3/13 at 6:01am
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

Actually, if it delivers anywhere near the expected brightness, it will easily top the ZT, except for people who think black level is the only spec that matters. (And really for all we know, it might be better there too.)

I see the 2012 E8000 was around 0.0045fL. I did not keep up with them in 2012, did Samsung correct the floating blacks and black level rise with Cinema Smooth in 2012, that the 2011's had?
post #341 of 1868
3/3/13 at 8:02am
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Originally Posted by hogues View Post

Me too... assuming that the stand is removable.

Anyone know if there's another stand available for the F8500? I seem to recall some other recent Samsung where a different stand was available. I'm not a big fan of that large front curved design (assuming you're not wall mounting).
post #342 of 1868
3/3/13 at 8:24am
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Originally Posted by Stu03 View Post

It could be a classical case of " because we say it is" "therefore it is"tongue.gif

Or, based on reports from people that have actually seen it (some of whom are actually very trustworthy), it could actually be as good as the claims. smile.gif
post #343 of 1868
3/3/13 at 10:06am
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Originally Posted by Pinger View Post

It's got to be bright for them to actually come out and say" its as bright as a LED" (not saying it will be as bright as the brightest LED lol) but just the fact that they cranked up the brightness AND blacks will get even deeper using local dimming along with a super contrast panel should give this TV a shot at taking the crown as best of the year, possibly maybe more..
Local dimming in a plasma? Sounds like a bit of malarkey.
post #344 of 1868
3/3/13 at 11:23am
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Or, based on reports from people that have actually seen it (some of whom are actually very trustworthy), it could actually be as good as the claims. smile.gif

Yep.

Sure it is good. I don't doubt it.

Samsung have had the best inbuilt video processing out of the remaining consumer plasma market imho. Can't see that changing either or being bettered but you never know. With the better/deeper blacks of this one they can't really fail with it can they.

I'm intrigued by the high light output claims though i must admit. Find new advances in older tech a facinating subject. Especially seeing plasma has had it's voltage restrictions in the past few years. Europe especially.
post #345 of 1868
3/3/13 at 12:04pm
"With the better/deeper blacks of this one they can't really fail with it can they."

Unless it buzzes. I saw a CES video clip that showed the F8500 with a very noticeable buzz. Might of been on AVS. Can't remember.
post #346 of 1868
3/3/13 at 12:42pm
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Originally Posted by TWD View Post

"With the better/deeper blacks of this one they can't really fail with it can they."

Unless it buzzes. I saw a CES video clip that showed the F8500 with a very noticeable buzz. Might of been on AVS. Can't remember.

I'm sure someone will come on here and disagree with me and say that their Samsung plasma is dead silent, but my experience with 2 different Samsung plasmas has been that they buzz considerably more than the Panasonic models in general (I've owned 4 Panasonics), so I wouldn't be shocked if the F8500 is a buzzard just like their previous models.
Edited by jkozlow3 - 3/3/13 at 6:39pm
post #347 of 1868
3/3/13 at 2:21pm
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Local dimming in a plasma? Sounds like a bit of malarkey.

What are you talking about?! Plasma has "local dimming" right down to the individual pixel!!biggrin.gif
post #348 of 1868
3/3/13 at 4:51pm
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Originally Posted by Stu03 View Post

Samsung have had the best inbuilt video processing out of the remaining consumer plasma market imho. .
All manufacturers suffer in this area. I remember the NEC 50XR5A and NEC 60XR5A had excellent scaling, just a modern marvel for its time. I am still not sure even if current models are better. No NEC to retest here, wish I had it though wink.gif

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post #349 of 1868
3/3/13 at 5:32pm
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

All manufacturers suffer in this area. I remember the NEC 50XR5A and NEC 60XR5A had excellent scaling, just a modern marvel for its time. I am still not sure even if current models are better. No NEC to retest here, wish I had it though wink.gif

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Totally agree. Not sure why they skimp in the scaler... better out= better picture.
post #350 of 1868
3/3/13 at 7:01pm
^ but isn't TV scaling almost pointless with everyone basically running the signal through their high end Recievers? Almost all high end equipment today has good scaling so maybe it's a waste of money to put a top end one in the TV itself
post #351 of 1868
3/4/13 at 6:02am
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Originally Posted by bzal1122 View Post

^ but isn't TV scaling almost pointless with everyone basically running the signal through their high end Recievers? Almost all high end equipment today has good scaling so maybe it's a waste of money to put a top end one in the TV itself

Guess I'm one of the few who does/will not run my video signal through my receiver... always figured it was better to leave video processing to the tv and audio to the receiver. then again what do I know, I bought into Samsung's claim of adding some new type of auto-dimming for plasmas to darken blacks in the new F8500 series lol..
post #352 of 1868
3/4/13 at 6:09am
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Originally Posted by TWD View Post

"With the better/deeper blacks of this one they can't really fail with it can they."

Unless it buzzes. I saw a CES video clip that showed the F8500 with a very noticeable buzz. Might of been on AVS. Can't remember.

Well. It was a prototype unless i am mistaken.

The PSU may be of a slightly different specification by the time it comes to market. Or the voltage going through the thing may have changed slightly by then.

I would doubt very much that it will be exactly the same by the time it arrives all shiny and new in someone's home.

But if the blacks are very good, and with their processing for standard definition which is pretty good. Then it's a potential gem imho.
post #353 of 1868
3/4/13 at 6:38am
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

All manufacturers suffer in this area. I remember the NEC 50XR5A and NEC 60XR5A had excellent scaling, just a modern marvel for its time. I am still not sure even if current models are better. No NEC to retest here, wish I had it though wink.gif

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These were the days weren't they. Fujitsu, NEC... Pioneer... Video processing for the least pristine of content. Until we have all HD and no SD whatsoever - it's going to remain an important feature, no doubt. As we all can't have fancy external processing i guess. Not everyone wants to buy a tv, realize it's makes a mess of SD, then have to run back out again and buy external processing.

Samsung will take some beating in that regard, which can only be a good thing at the end of the day
post #354 of 1868
3/4/13 at 7:59am
Mid-tier F-series units are now available through SamsungUSA.com. Shouldn't be long before we begin to see the F8500...

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/plasma-tv
post #355 of 1868
3/4/13 at 8:12am
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Originally Posted by bzal1122 View Post

^ but isn't TV scaling almost pointless with everyone basically running the signal through their high end Recievers? Almost all high end equipment today has good scaling so maybe it's a waste of money to put a top end one in the TV itself

Just because I have $3500 to spend on a tv doesn't mean I want to spend another $1000 for a receiver frown.gif
post #356 of 1868
3/4/13 at 9:19am
You can always just get an oppo 103 for $500 but I disagree all displays today have crappy processing....its decent on my st30 actually.
post #357 of 1868
3/4/13 at 10:22am
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Originally Posted by Stu03 View Post

These were the days weren't they. Fujitsu, NEC... Pioneer... Video processing for the least pristine of content. Until we have all HD and no SD whatsoever - it's going to remain an important feature, no doubt. As we all can't have fancy external processing i guess. Not everyone wants to buy a tv, realize it's makes a mess of SD, then have to run back out again and buy external processing.

Samsung will take some beating in that regard, which can only be a good thing at the end of the day

It's always interesting to see how some products become legendary and gain mythological status even in areas where reviewers of the day believed they fell short e.g. the Pioneer displays. From Home Theater Magazine - April 6, 2009 - Pioneer Signature Pro-141FD:

"The Pioneer’s upconversion of standard-definition 480i sources to the panel’s native 1080p resolution was average at best. It locked on to 3:2 pulldown (film-sourced material) on two of my three tests for this capability, but it consistently broke lock on the most challenging test. It showed visible artifacts on 2:2 (video-sourced material) tests and had severe jaggies on a mixed video-over-film scroll. While I saw occasional artifacts on some real-world 480i sources, they were frequent only when clearly present in the source itself. (The History International SD channel, a personal favorite, is particularly prone to jaggies on fast pans—on this and other sets.)\"

http://www.hometheater.com/content/pioneer-elite-kuro-pro-141fd-plasma-hd-monitor
Edited by Glashub - 3/4/13 at 10:36am
post #358 of 1868
3/4/13 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by YZach View Post

Mid-tier F-series units are now available through SamsungUSA.com. Shouldn't be long before we begin to see the F8500...

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/plasma-tv

AND surprisingly Amazon is already listing the Panny S60 series for notification when they get their hands on them for sale.. Things are heating up smile.gif
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-P50S60-50-Inch-1080p-Plasma/dp/B00ARAHBIW



Update: the P50S60 has been updated to available.. now I hope Samsung follows suit and starts releasing their plasmas soon..
Edited by Pinger - 3/4/13 at 5:26pm
post #359 of 1868
3/4/13 at 7:29pm
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

It's always interesting to see how some products become legendary and gain mythological status even in areas where reviewers of the day believed they fell short e.g. the Pioneer displays. From Home Theater Magazine - April 6, 2009 - Pioneer Signature Pro-141FD:

"The Pioneer’s upconversion of standard-definition 480i sources to the panel’s native 1080p resolution was average at best. It locked on to 3:2 pulldown (film-sourced material) on two of my three tests for this capability, but it consistently broke lock on the most challenging test. It showed visible artifacts on 2:2 (video-sourced material) tests and had severe jaggies on a mixed video-over-film scroll. While I saw occasional artifacts on some real-world 480i sources, they were frequent only when clearly present in the source itself. (The History International SD channel, a personal favorite, is particularly prone to jaggies on fast pans—on this and other sets.)\"

http://www.hometheater.com/content/pioneer-elite-kuro-pro-141fd-plasma-hd-monitor

Yup, you got that right. I had the Pro 151 and the SD was nothing to rave about, but as time passes there was nothing they couldn't do. wink.gif
post #360 of 1868
3/4/13 at 8:12pm
This's kinda of the subject,I was using Disney WOW to calibrate my OPPO,and was checking screen size.
It says measure the distance from the TV to your seat and divided by 2,my measurements are 90"÷2= 45".
Can I get a 64"?
I'am asking because the dealer is only bringing the 64" and it's my first plasma.
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