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post #751 of 1868
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Originally Posted by rrollens View Post

It is hard to tell just how deep blacks are unless you are comparing side by side, or better yet to objectively measuring it. These top of the line plasmas (ie VT50, F8500 and iam sure VT60 and ZT60) are all very close. Another reason to wait for the reviews and see if there is a concensus winner on who is the current black level champ.

Couldn't agree more rrolens. Even more importantly, let's see how visible any differences in black levels actually are. Will they only be visible under 'bat cave' conditions, will the visual differences in any light, even though measurable, be very slight to the naked eye? Time will tell.

This is really becoming a fun year for displays.
post #752 of 1868
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Originally Posted by yamvmax View Post



Does this help??? The black line with the arrows.

i'm gonna guess 1.5" which is ridiculous! why they had to put them this close to the edge is just crazy! we'll see when rr measures.....
post #753 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Couldn't agree more rrolens. Even more importantly, let's see how visible any differences in black levels actually are. Will they only be visible under 'bat cave' conditions, will the visual differences in any light, even though measurable, be very slight to the naked eye? Time will tell.

Just to be clear, I don't disagree with you, however, your opinion rarely carries the day here at AVS on this.

We've had thousands of posts on how VT50 blacks -- which are exceptionally black -- are really "nowhere near as good as Kuro blacks -- which are really exceptionally black. And you've already expressed a willingness to consider an LCD which is going to almost certainly measure between 2-5x the black floor of the best plasmas.

I'm not saying you're wrong or that most people ought to care one bit; but I am saying that the Black Army will take issue with with the idea that subtle differences don't matter.
post #754 of 1868
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Originally Posted by yamvmax View Post



Does this help??? The black line with the arrows.

Yes, thank you. Ill add it to my To Do list.
post #755 of 1868
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Originally Posted by rrollens View Post

Yes, thank you. Ill add it to my To Do list.

Never been to a Magnolia Store but would the F8500 be in a dark, quiet viewing room? That was a good thing Circuit City had, high end TVs were in a seperate more intimate room making viewing much closer to home then the main display floor..
If so, could you please lend a ear and see if you can hear any buzz?? especially if the brightness is cranked up and a very bright scene comes on,, I know it can differ from tv to tv but I'm just curious smile.gif
post #756 of 1868
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post


I'm not saying you're wrong or that most people ought to care one bit; but I am saying that the Black Army will take issue with with the idea that subtle differences don't matter.

Makes not a bit of difference to me Mark. I buy a display for myself, not for the "Army". wink.gif
post #757 of 1868
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Originally Posted by rrollens View Post

It is hard to tell just how deep blacks are unless you are comparing side by side, or better yet to objectively measuring it.
A meter would help too........
post #758 of 1868
Well the 51F8500 has made its way to the dealers, I was also surprised to find review on the 51F8500 although it's pretty vanilla to say the least smile.gif

The earlier post about having a F8500 calibrated before delivery by VE or CP is very interesting, I imagine they would have to run the 100 hour burn in period before calibrating,,, yes??


http://athomereviews.com/samsung-pn51f8500-review/



http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-PN51F8500-51-Inch-1080p-Plasma/dp/B00BCPGOD4%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAI5YSJAYOSETPHI6A%26tag%3Dathomereviewsplugin-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB00BCPGOD4
Edited by Pinger - 3/19/13 at 7:46pm
post #759 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Pinger View Post

Never been to a Magnolia Store but would the F8500 be in a dark, quiet viewing room? That was a good thing Circuit City had, high end TVs were in a seperate more intimate room making viewing much closer to home then the main display floor..
If so, could you please lend a ear and see if you can hear any buzz?? especially if the brightness is cranked up and a very bright scene comes on,, I know it can differ from tv to tv but I'm just curious smile.gif

Our local Magnolia Store has much better lighting conditions then what I experaienced at the local RC Willey. That said, they do not have a dedicated media room where they show flatscreen TVs. They have rooms for audio demos, but not TV demos. Where I think they will have the F8500 placed will be next to a VT50 with stand on top of an entertainment center lined up against a wall. I will check for any buzzing as you have asked for. Where is the best place to put my ear on the panel?
post #760 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

A meter would help too........

Sorry...That's what I meant by having it measured objectively.
post #761 of 1868
I got 2 days now till my return policy with best buy is up man can I justify and extra grand for the newest technology available to mankind lol. Guess ill have to take a day off work tomorrow and go see for myself hopefully my BB has it up to look at
post #762 of 1868
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

Just to be clear, I don't disagree with you, however, your opinion rarely carries the day here at AVS on this.

We've had thousands of posts on how VT50 blacks -- which are exceptionally black -- are really "nowhere near as good as Kuro blacks -- which are really exceptionally black. And you've already expressed a willingness to consider an LCD which is going to almost certainly measure between 2-5x the black floor of the best plasmas.

I'm not saying you're wrong or that most people ought to care one bit; but I am saying that the Black Army will take issue with with the idea that subtle differences don't matter.

I probably don't know any better, having never had a Kuro, but I think vt50-level blacks are "good enough" for me. If I need to sit in total darkness to see the difference b/t Kuro black and vt50 black, then it's a waste on me.

Anyway, if I could practically achieve bat cave light control, I would get a projector. I wouldn't bother with a pidley flat panel smile.gif
post #763 of 1868
^^^^

Having owned 2 Kuros I can tell you that the VT's black levels really are good enough and imo the overall picture exceeds the Kuro in some ways. I like it.
post #764 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Makes not a bit of difference to me Mark. I buy a display for myself, not for the "Army". wink.gif

I know. I was trying to place things in context.
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I probably don't know any better, having never had a Kuro, but I think vt50-level blacks are "good enough" for me. If I need to sit in total darkness to see the difference b/t Kuro black and vt50 black, then it's a waste on me.

Anyway, if I could practically achieve bat cave light control, I would get a projector. I wouldn't bother with a pidley flat panel smile.gif

The VT50 has great black levels. I own one. I don't have a Kuro but while I watch movies in a dark-ish room, I don't sit there in the pitch black pretty much ever. And I just don't find the blacks on the VT50 wanting at all. And part of the reason is that they are objectively great. Look at the contrast ratio measurements from the VE shootout, for example.
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^^^^

Having owned 2 Kuros I can tell you that the VT's black levels really are good enough and imo the overall picture exceeds the Kuro in some ways. I like it.

I agree with this completely.
post #765 of 1868
I just got tracking information for my PN51F8500. It says expected Delivery 3/21/13 I am hoping to have set in hand sometime tomorrow and hopefully can answer some questions and snap some unboxing pics. smile.gif

I sold my KURO PDP-5010FD last month to a friend. I had that set for about 6 years. What a great set. I used D-nice settings and never calibrated so not sure how much better the picture could of been but I was happy.

This new set I might do more tweaking to get best picture possible. I will probably start off with a calibration bluray of some sort not sure which is best to buy maybe the Disney WOW?
I only used my PC hooked up to my TV for Bluray so not sure that is best way to use these calibration discs instead of stand alone Bluray player.

Eventually when I can afford it, have one of the calibrators on here do their magic.
Edited by surfmlb - 3/20/13 at 5:04am
post #766 of 1868
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Originally Posted by sonyfan View Post

Cell Light 10 was the max on the older D series.

The cell light on my D8000 goes up to 20.
post #767 of 1868
My D8000 too.
post #768 of 1868
[quo amame="surfmlb" url="/t/1450401/samsung-f8500-new-industry-standard/750#post_23102228"]I just got tracking information for my PN51F8500. Itsays expected Delivery 3/21/13 I am hoping to have set in hand sometime tomorrow and hopefully can answer some questions and snap some unboxing pics. smile.gif

I sold my KURO PDP-5010FD last month to a friend. I had that set for about 6 years. What a great set. I used D-nice settings and never calibrated so not sure how much better the picture could of been but I was happyn
Eventually when I can afford it, have one of the calibrators on here do their magic.[/quote]

Nice, the PN51F8500 is the one I'm interested in... Can't wait to hear your thoughts and opinions on it, especially seeing your coming from a Kuro smile.gif
post #769 of 1868
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Originally Posted by gary2219 View Post

I got 2 days now till my return policy with best buy is up man can I justify and extra grand for the newest technology available to mankind lol. Guess ill have to take a day off work tomorrow and go see for myself hopefully my BB has it up to look at
What do you have now ?
post #770 of 1868
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Originally Posted by icelt View Post

On my E8000 panel you can set the TV to output PCM through the Optical out.
Thanks, that should work fine then for me. I'll just have to double check that is possible on this set when someone gets their hands on one.

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Originally Posted by ljmart View Post

i'm gonna guess 1.5" which is ridiculous! why they had to put them this close to the edge is just crazy! we'll see when rr measures.....
Yeah it does seem awfully close, guess it is time to upgrade to those thin RedMere cables and maybe even pick up some L brackets. Personally I wish the majority of the ports were facing down, it would make it so easy to run cables neatly, just have like a single HDMI on the side for temporary devices.
post #771 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Pinger View Post

Nice, the PN51F8500 is the one I'm interested in... Can't wait to hear your thoughts and opinions on it, especially seeing your coming from a Kuro smile.gif
Keep in mind that's not the last generation of the kuro, but the 8th gen, which was already matched in every area of PQ by last year's flagship panels (though I'm not so sure about Sam's).
post #772 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

What do you have now ?

I have a Pne8000 51 inch
post #773 of 1868
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Keep in mind that's not the last generation of the kuro, but the 8th gen, which was already matched in every area of PQ by last year's flagship panels (though I'm not so sure about Sam's).

True! 5020, 6020, 111, 141, 151 & 600 were the last 9G's and the 500 was the only 9.5G -- right vinnie?
post #774 of 1868
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Originally Posted by surfmlb View Post

I just got tracking information for my PN51F8500. It says expected Delivery 3/21/13 I am hoping to have set in hand sometime tomorrow and hopefully can answer some questions and snap some unboxing pics. smile.gif

I sold my KURO PDP-5010FD last month to a friend. I had that set for about 6 years. What a great set. I used D-nice settings and never calibrated so not sure how much better the picture could of been but I was happy.

This new set I might do more tweaking to get best picture possible. I will probably start off with a calibration bluray of some sort not sure which is best to buy maybe the Disney WOW?
I only used my PC hooked up to my TV for Bluray so not sure that is best way to use these calibration discs instead of stand alone Bluray player.

Eventually when I can afford it, have one of the calibrators on here do their magic.

If it's your first attempt at calibration go for the Disney WOW, it will probably be the easiest to understand. Another option is to download the AVS HD 709 from the Calibration Forum here.
post #775 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

True! 5020, 6020, 111, 141, 151 & 600 were the last 9G's and the 500 was the only 9.5G -- right vinnie?

You forgot the 9.5G 101
post #776 of 1868
Does anyone have a link to Samsung's 2013 complete plasma lineup?
post #777 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

True! 5020, 6020, 111, 141, 151 & 600 were the last 9G's and the 500 was the only 9.5G -- right vinnie?
Correct, except the 101FD was also considered 9.5G.

Oops, already answered. smile.gif
post #778 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Pinger View Post

Never been to a Magnolia Store but would the F8500 be in a dark, quiet viewing room? That was a good thing Circuit City had, high end TVs were in a seperate more intimate room making viewing much closer to home then the main display floor..
If so, could you please lend a ear and see if you can hear any buzz?? especially if the brightness is cranked up and a very bright scene comes on,, I know it can differ from tv to tv but I'm just curious smile.gif

Magnolia Home Theater locations will have the 51F8500 in one of the speaker rooms labeled as "Studio 1". This room has the ability to get almost completely dark and should have a BD player as a source, though due to an old switcher will be component video in some stores. Either the 60" or 64" will be on display in the main MHT room on the video wall. These may hit some stores earlier, but should be set up the week of 3/31 at the latest. This is all different for the Magnolia Design Center locations.
post #779 of 1868
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Does anyone have a link to Samsung's 2013 complete plasma lineup?


You will find that information and more on:

http://pn64f8500.com/
post #780 of 1868
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Originally Posted by rrollens View Post

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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Does anyone have a link to Samsung's 2013 complete plasma lineup?


You will find that information and more on:

http://pn64f8500.com/

Are you sure? Is Samsung is only offering 3 plasma models this year? That would mean that they cut their lineup by more than 50%. Is that true?
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