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post #421 of 510
For those who own the acer, how would you consider the color to be? It's between this and the benq 1070 for me. Would you pay extra for the benq as I hear it has richer colors and and less rainbow effects due to the faster color wheel? Ive read the colors are washed out, but some say can be corrected by tinkering with the settings. Your thoughts would be much appreciated. Thanks!
post #422 of 510
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Originally Posted by butie120 View Post

and that's been my fear this whole time after researching projectors. I just don't understand this whole sensitive to the rainbow effect thing. I just got done watching that clip again and I see the rainbow effect. What? Are my eyes better than other people's eyes?
Everyone's eyes -- and brains -- are different.

It comes down to how your brain processes time-sampled (non-continuous) images. A rough analogy would be to recall the days of CRT-based computer monitors. You could select the Refresh rate for your CRT-based monitor from a range of, say, 60 Hz up to 100 Hz. (I mention CRTs because our modern LCDs do not have the instantaneous response of CRTs and thus are more ambiguous.) Most people got headaches from the flicker at a 60 Hz refresh. Bump it up to 75 Hz and many were OK with it. Bump it up again to 100 Hz and everyone is comfortable.

Now, where you fit on that spectrum of comfort is unique to the individual. One telltale factor would be a susceptibility to migraines. In which case, you'd better stick with non-DLP tech.
post #423 of 510
I got this during the recent Newegg sale. My other PJs are an Optoma H27 and LG PA70G. I have a small apartment, so the max size I can project is around 80", though I usually keep it between 60-70", so I know I'm not the typical user here. I really liked the PA70G, LEDs are so convenient, but after a couple months I noticed it gave me horrible eye strain. Rather than risk the same thing with another LED PJ (and after getting tired of waiting for the Qumi Q7 or Acer K335 to actually come out), I decided to go back to bulbs for a while. And I couldn't pass up the Newegg deal.

This PJ is actually too bright for my small size, even on Eco mode. It was actually hurting my eyes (but in a different way than the PA70G). But I bought a ND2 filter and it is now a good brightness level. I don't actually have a lot of HD material to feed this thing... I mostly have a bunch of DVD rips I run via xbmc. But even those look very good at my smaller screen size. The few 720p rips I have look even better, but I guess I'm not too picky as I don't have any urge to run out and get a BD player or upgrade my Netflix account to BD. I don't have cable. I find the colors to be noticeably better than my H27, but that thing is pretty ancient these days. Colors on this one are more natural looking than the PA70G, likely due to the LED source. Though honestly I think they both look good. This one looks better overall, but I would have been fine with the PA70G if it didn't hurt my eyes.

I'm very sensitive to noise and the H6510BD is acceptably quiet in Eco mode. Quietest of the 3 I own, for sure. Overall I'm impressed with the image brightness and quality at this price point, but I'm obviously no videophile. My only nitpicks so far are that the brightness is too much for my screen size (but an ND filter fixed that), and the menu system kinda sucks... if you're trying to adjust contrast, the adjustment box disappears after like 2 seconds of inactivity. That's much too short, as you need time to evaluate the changes you made. So you constantly have to go all the way back into the menu system each time. I think on my other PJs, the boxes stay there until you exit out, or at least stay for 20 seconds, which I much prefer. Overall I think it's a great budget PJ.
post #424 of 510
hey all long time lurker who finally joined.

quick question for owners. I just got this PJ and curious if there is any "preferred" settings. I see this all the time with tv's but wasnt sure if its the same for projectors. You know "movie mode, brightness this, contrast that"

Appreciate your suggestions !!
post #425 of 510
Finally was able to test this puppy and overall I love it! Even though I've been trying out and waiting for a decent LED projector it's just not worth getting one today. This Acer is the best bang for your buck and will last you until LED tech improves.
post #426 of 510
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Originally Posted by klas View Post

Finally was able to test this puppy and overall I love it! Even though I've been trying out and waiting for a decent LED projector it's just not worth getting one today. This Acer is the best bang for your buck and will last you until LED tech improves.

This is one of the projectors I'm eyeing. How is the rainbow effect for you?
post #427 of 510
I don't see any rainbows, but I am not looking for them and hopefully I won't
post #428 of 510
I picked one of these up from Newegg some months back at $629 shipped. It's definitely a good projector, but does need some tweaking to get the colors right. I would agree with the previous poster that said this projector is almost too bright, but it can be tamed by messing with BrilliantColor, modes, brightness, etc. I find out-of-the-box, the Movie mode is best, but it does have a bit of a green push to it so you need a good calibration disc like S&M or Disney's WOW. Dark Movie also looks very good and can be calibrated. The others modes are worthless IMO unless you're using the projector for business presentations. I also found that unlike a lot of DLP projectors, it's actually easier to calibrate this projector with BrilliantColor on.
post #429 of 510
I'd like to play around with 3D on this PJ. I'm powering it from my old-ish main PC that does double-duty as HTPC. It has AMD built-in 785g graphics (forgot what they call it, HD4200 or something). I use this over a long VGA cable (yes, VGA, because the built-in graphics can only do one digital output and my monitor takes precedance... still looks good to me). I mainly use xbmc. What do I need (besides some DLP Link glasses) to try 3D and 2D-to-3D on this PJ? Just 3D media player software? Or does it need a digital signal (HDMI) for some reason? The manuals aren't very clear to me...
post #430 of 510
Acer is on sale again at newegg for $650 after the promo code!
post #431 of 510
Will have mine up for sale in the classifieds. Too short a throw frown.gif only used 2 hours !!!
post #432 of 510

Right,I will await for it to show up here in North America and see what the reports are like before deciding.

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post #433 of 510
So I just purchased my acer 6510bd from the egg for $650 and got here in 1 day. Picture looks pretty solid so far. I have it 13ft from the screen and my ceiling height is 7ft. 7 in. So right now I have a roughly 120in display. There is just 1 problem I am having. I mounted to the ceiling and half my screen is on the ceiling as its aimed straight! I'm a good 6 inches from the ceiling too. I angled the projector down and I feel like it's pointing at the base boards on the ground just for the bottom of the picture to show up 2 feet from the ground. Then it makes the bottom of the picture uneven so is that where the keystone comes into play to even out the picture? Anyways, I don't feel I should have to aim the projector towards the bottom of the wall just to get it's picture showing up on the middle of the screen. Am I missing something basic or is this how it is?
post #434 of 510

Hi,

 

 

I was thinking of buying this projector a month ago when it hit $630, but after reading reviews I came across this as well. I think you will need quite a long extension tube in order to avoid using keystone and avoid pixel loss, or pedestal mount it on a coffee table or something.

 

 

"The H6510BD's 1.3:1 lens can project a 100" diagonal 16:9 image from 8' 5" to 10' 10", or a 120" diagonal image from 10' to 13'. The projector has a mild throw offset of roughly 7%, meaning that the bottom edge of the projected image will appear 7% of the image's height above the centerline of the lens. On a 100" diagonal image, that would be about four inches. If you do plan to use a ceiling mount, that mild offset might require you to use an extension tube to bring the projector down low enough to hit your screen."

 

quote from Projector Central Review linked below:

http://www.projectorcentral.com/acer_h6510bd_3d_home_video_projector_review.htm 

 

 

If its something basic maybe its that you have the projector mounted in the wrong orientation? The projector itself is ceiling mounted upside down, right?

post #435 of 510
Have you adjusted the lens manually? You can adjust the size of the screen and then focus.
post #436 of 510
I feel so stupid now. Yes it was the orientation! I knew something was completely wrong. This is my first projector and I think the picture looks really good at 120 inches. I dont have anything to compare it to so I cant say great yet. I don't see any rainbow effects that most people talk about.

Btw, what mounting kits did you guys buy with this projector?

Also, all i got was a power cord and VGA cable. Did you guys get anything else in your box?
post #437 of 510

Glad it was an easy fix. I haven't bought this projector (yet, heh). It's in my top 2 or 3 I'm deciding between. The price is awesome for 1080p. Glad you like it so far. So it fits your wall pretty well now? I was worried about how far down off the ceiling the projector would need to be.

post #438 of 510
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Originally Posted by Yalzer View Post

Glad it was an easy fix. I haven't bought this projector (yet, heh). It's in my top 2 or 3 I'm deciding between. The price is awesome for 1080p. Glad you like it so far. So it fits your wall pretty well now? I was worried about how far down off the ceiling the projector would need to be.

It looks fantastic and fits good. I wouldnt worry about that too much. I like you have been doing research on projectors for the past month for hours. Had it down to the Acer 6510, BenQ 1070, and Optoma HD25.

Ultimately it became an easy decision when the egg had the price at 650. It allowed me to by a motorized screen with the extra savings. Also, this acer is super quiet. Cant even hear it a couple feet away. Bottom line, the BenQ or Optoma doesnt have anything worth $300 better than the Acer 6510 that I read about. I cant wait to try the 2D-3D conversion.
post #439 of 510
OK. Just bought the Acer h6510bd from egg at $650... From the reviews I wanted to go with the BenQ w1070 but I simply couldn't justify the extra money at $884. The reason is that this will be a weekend, at best, projector. During football season I will watch a game every Sunday and maybe a blu ray once or twice a month. I might hook it up to a computer or Apple TV but that would be rarely used. It is something that will get 10 hours a week use, max. When football season is over it might be weeks or a month without using it.

Also, despite being a bit picky, I can also easily impressed. And I get the feeling that I would have a hard time really distinguishing between the 6510 and 1070 unless they were side by side and even then I doubt the difference would be worth $240.

I did have a 720p Optoma ML500 which I did like but I couldn't help feeling that I was missing out on 1080p. Plus it had source issues that I spent a bit of time trying to fix (it was an open box item I bought for $540 at bestbuy).

Concerns: Image quality at 120" to 135", rainbow effect, reliability, good for sports, black levels, grays, color, 3D light flicker. You name it, I am concerned about all of it. I have done a ton of reading. I get the feeling from the reviews that people who bought the 1070 are thrilled (even "expert" reviews) and the people who bought the 6510 are merely very happy. I would be happy with "very happy".

So there's the justification: Saving $240 and probably couldn't tell much of a difference anyhow. I'll try to remember to update in a few weeks after it's set up.

Tom
post #440 of 510
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Originally Posted by cloud007 View Post

the BenQ or Optoma doesnt have anything worth $300 better than the Acer 6510 .

I haven't seen any of these projectors but I used screen shots available at projectorreviews for comparison and based on those, 6510 was not that strong a performer compared a few others I looked at. Just my subjective impression based on screenshots.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1492422/if-screenshots-at-projectorreviews-are-same-as-the-real-experience-projector-ratings
post #441 of 510

I pulled the triger on the H6510BD this weekend as well. At $650 I figured it was worth it. It will hopefully last me a few years and keep me happy till then.

post #442 of 510

I got this universal ceiling projector mount from Amazon:

 

http://www.amazon.com/VideoSecu-Projector-Vaulted-22-4-Inch-Extension/dp/B000TUDOQ8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1380485852&sr=8-1&keywords=universal+projector+mount

 

 

Hopefully I can make it work with the H6510BD.

post #443 of 510
OK, well I bailed on the 120 to 135 inch screen. I ended up getting a 110" tripod screen so I can have some flexibility with where to set it. I got it at Wayfair for $89 and I got a universal ceiling mount for $17. (I see they bumped the price up to $73, I'll link it anyway in case they drop them again)

http://www.wayfair.com/Vutec-Tripod-Screen-54x96-110-diagonal-HDTV-Format-01-EVTR5496-VU2799.html?refid=ER_W&mmid=141305725&csnid=8EC0AFE8-D3B2-4588-A871-CB184FFDB029%3cr=

http://www.wayfair.com/Peerless-Paramount-Universal-Ceiling-Projector-Mount-with-Adjustable-Extension-PPA-PPB-PPC-PE1270.html?refid=ER_W&mmid=141305725&csnid=8EC0AFE8-D3B2-4588-A871-CB184FFDB029%3cr=

I also got a bean bag chair for $13, lol. It had to be yellow for that price, lol The black one was $19.

Everything was free shipping but I think I had to order $49 worth of stuff.

Justification for the smaller screen: It was $60 cheaper than the one I was going to get and I can set it closer to my seating. The ceiling mounted screen I was going to get required me to set it about 4 or 5 feet farther away (and the projector basically over my head), so perhaps with the tripod screen closer it will offset the difference in screen sizes. Also, I am not certain that the room it is getting set up in will be the room we actually keep it in... A lot of trial runs will take place.

I already have a refurb Sony receiver (a christmas gift) with surround sound, etc. and a refurb Samsung 3D Blu Ray player I bought from CompUsa for $39 a few years ago. So I am out $760: Projector, screen and ceiling mount. (Bean bag chair is for the kids' room)

I had a 73" Mitsubishi 1080p that I bought new 2 years ago. It had 3D, so I have some experience with that. I wear prescription glasses and the DLink glasses I bought for it never felt like they were on right over top of them, so the whole thing kind of put me off of 3D. Plus 73" is almost so rinky dink that perhaps that was an issue for 3D. I will probably get 3D glasses because at 110" it should be more impressive. And maybe I can get a prescription for contacts or buy tiny little glasses so the 3D glasses fit comfortably.

Cheers,
Tom
post #444 of 510
Still debating on the extended warranty for 69.99 from new egg. Did anyone go with that?
post #445 of 510
I did not and probably won't buy the extended warranty. Mostly because I feel certain that I will sell it within the warranty period and cross my fingers that I won't need to replace the bulb.

Also, I am looking at 500 hours viewing a year max and probably closer to 200 hrs/yr. It will be for a few movies a month and football, it won't be a daily viewer...

I didn't look at the warranty being offered from the egg but if I were going to use the projector nearly everyday, I would have seriously considered a warranty.
post #446 of 510
Wanted to share my thoughts on the 3D performance together with Sainsonic 144 hz glasses. It's amazing. Got a 101" 2.35:1 screen and 2.35:1 content is absolutely fantastic. I wish I had an even bigger screen though. I find the Sainsonics to be really comfortable, and I have no issues with the Acer producing 120 hz. I find it especially nice when playing using the smooth project and 60 fps. I guess the glasses sync 60 hz per EYE then. I had no syncing problem whatsoever. Maybe it's the quality 1.0 screen that I use.

The coolest was sitting 20 inches from the screen watching full side by side 1080p imax reef from my htpc. I was basically smiling all the time. Perhaps even more stunning was the croods 2.35:1 3D. Fantastic!!! I highly recommend the Sainsonics together with this projector.

By the way, I didn't see a flinch of white flickering others mention...
post #447 of 510
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Originally Posted by solwretep View Post

Wanted to share my thoughts on the 3D performance together with Sainsonic 144 hz glasses. It's amazing. Got a 101" 2.35:1 screen and 2.35:1 content is absolutely fantastic. I wish I had an even bigger screen though. I find the Sainsonics to be really comfortable, and I have no issues with the Acer producing 120 hz. I find it especially nice when playing using the smooth project and 60 fps. I guess the glasses sync 60 hz per EYE then. I had no syncing problem whatsoever. Maybe it's the quality 1.0 screen that I use.

The coolest was sitting 20 inches from the screen watching full side by side 1080p imax reef from my htpc. I was basically smiling all the time. Perhaps even more stunning was the croods 2.35:1 3D. Fantastic!!! I highly recommend the Sainsonics together with this projector.

By the way, I didn't see a flinch of white flickering others mention...

Mind sharing your setup? What are you doing from the HTPC to get good 3D? Graphics card, software, cables, etc.
post #448 of 510

That right, Passive will cost more up front but glasses will be cheaper.

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post #449 of 510
Well because I got it so cheap, I can use that extra saved money for the extended warranty. I plan on having this for at least 4 or 5 years so 69.99 seems like a small price to pay for a peace of mind.
post #450 of 510
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Originally Posted by flyingsherpa View Post

Mind sharing your setup? What are you doing from the HTPC to get good 3D? Graphics card, software, cables, etc.

cables are some cheap ones.
PC is a standard modern pc: core i5 cpu and a two year old nvidia card : gtx 560 ti, using the latest drivers. Using the smooth project: http://www.svp-team.com/ or direct link to the specific file you need for windows http://www.svp-team.com/files/SVP_3.1.5.exe .

I use a yamaha hdmi 1.4 3d compatible receiver RX-V367 , nothing special here.

Ive tried various players. With Smooth project you install WMPC which works nicely. But to be able to play Full SBS I had to switch to KMplayer. I havent been able to try Full SBS 3D together with smooth project yet, im having performance issues but trying to resolve it smile.gif

The output from my PC is 1080P 60 hz.

Titanic 1080p 3d 60 fps + smooth project is crazy !! Im just loving this projector so much.

Oh btw, I did see, when pausing, in very bright scenes, a small small small flickering in white... This was when I really tried to look for it and I couldnt see it when picture was in motion. Whether I would see this in 144 hz aswell? I guess so... Its just another 24 hz from 120.. This is when Im playing 60 fps content. I am yet to try blu-ray HD 3d 24hz content - but I am just about to try it. Ill get back and compare with .mkv 60hz smile.gif

EDIT:
Ok So Ive tried Full HD BD 3D from an iso-file. Had to buy a mini-hdmi to normal hdmi from my graphics card to the receiver to get it to work. And the quality is much worse compared to MKV 60 fps Half SBS... First of all - the white flicker. It is obvious for me now what other people mean with white flicker and so on. The projector simply runs on 96 hz. Suddenly I got lots of rainbows, flickering etc. This projector will be running HSBS@60 fps from now on; excellent quality, smoother videos (love the soap opera effect in 3D movies ITS A MUST IMO).

I would love watching HD BD 3D but why when HSBS is so much better? Unless there is a simple way to make the 24 fps / 96 Hz BD 3D movies play @ 60 fps / 120 Hz ???
Edited by solwretep - 10/2/13 at 10:39am
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