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post #481 of 510
Don't use the 1/4" hole in a hanging mount. It is so poorly engineered even a tripod mount is unstable. The area around is uneven and recessed - not flat like it should be so the case will actually distort if too much tension is applied. That is likely since it will be so wobby, the temptation to wrench it down to keep from drifting will be strong.

A much better mount if you want to DIY, just get some melamine or plexi and make a solid mount. I think the screws are 3mm which is also annoying as the bog box hardware stores only carry 4M and up.
post #482 of 510
Ok thanks. I actually just ordered a mount from monoprice. If that doesn't work out I'll try out plexiglass.
post #483 of 510
Granted I'm not an expert on projector mounting but this has to be one of the worst to mount properly.

I ended up going with a telehook mount (after I re-used a Monoprice mount that was not up to the job) and after about an hour of futzing around was able to get it solid and balanced.

Between the 3mm screws and the fact one of the mounting points is basically an inch away from the CG of the projector makes me wonder what they were thinking.
post #484 of 510
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Originally Posted by theostav View Post

How do you guys mount this projector? This is my first and I'm a bit confused. The projector mounts I found use the three screws in a triangle shape but then there is the one larger hole in the center of the projector. Is there any reason not to use that? It would be much easier to mount it using a threaded rod straight to the projector than having to make some mounting plate.

I ordered a mount from monoprice and the screws it came with didn't work. Anyone have a link to the screws I need to order?

I am very pleased with this projector. It's replacing a Mitsubishi HC1600 that I've had since 2009. I'm not in love with the colors of the Acer compared to the Mits, but everything else has been an upgrade (except the darn mounting trouble I'm experiencing). And I imagine I'll be able to dial the colors in eventually.
post #485 of 510
My 7 year old Sharp DT-510's color wheel is starting to have issues so I'm looking to buy a new projector.

What's the 2D to 3D conversion I see this projector has? Can it really convert all 2D video to 3D and if so how well does it work?

What's the image quality like, I keep reading that "in theory" it should have washed out colors due to the white segment in the color wheel, but how does it look in reality?

Thanks
post #486 of 510
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Originally Posted by Nystrom View Post

I ordered a mount from monoprice and the screws it came with didn't work. Anyone have a link to the screws I need to order?

You need M3 screws. Same length as the ones from the box. I bought them at a local hardware shop.

This thing really is a pain to mount.
post #487 of 510
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Originally Posted by theostav View Post

You need M3 screws. Same length as the ones from the box. I bought them at a local hardware shop.

This thing really is a pain to mount.

Yep, make sure you pick up some various sized washers to go with these screws because the heads are so small. You'll need to 'step up' the washers like the Towers of Hanoi.

The Telehook mount I bought had 2.5mm screws. And here I thought 3mm was asinine. I feel for the SOB that has to deal with that disaster.

Anyways, has anyone tweaked this thing in the settings? I run eco mode on a white screen in a light controlled room.
post #488 of 510
I own this projector and love it! Here is the mount / hardware you need:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C1VUR54?ref_=sr_1_2&qid=1386431902&sr=8-2&keywords=6510bd%20mount&pldnSite=1


Good Luck!

BTW: Found on Newegg for $569 shipped.
post #489 of 510

Hi all,

 

Here is my experience with this projector:

 

Its is great in terms of resolution, brightness, and ability to control color. But it does have issues with uniformity of the brightness output, I did an RMA for the first one I had thinking it was a one-off problem, but even the replacement had nearly the same issue. Basically the image is brightest just left of the bottom center of the screen, and I am surprised that all the gurus on this board have not mentioned it at all.  Finally, tt has taken me a while to get 3D working but the results are pretty good.

 

Here is what I had to do to get 3D working. Basically needed a system which is NVIDIA 3D vision compliant.

1. Upgraded to a GTX 470 card.

2. Had to install windows 7.

3. Used HMDI cable to connect projector to PC.

4. Bought active shutter DLP link glasses (Im cheap so I bought these: http://www.amazon.com/SainSonic-Rechargeable-Mitsubishi-ViewSonic-Projector/dp/B00BVUNZUU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1389213947&sr=8-2&keywords=sainsonic). Although, I should mention that my eyes get strained after a short while, not sure if it is the glasses or the technology.

5. Had to get 3D content (I used some HSBS mkv files that I found).

6. Had to get a stereoscopic video player from http://www.3dtv.at

 

Im still figuring things out, but here is that I do to get 3 movies to play.

1. Enable 3D mode in nvidia control panel (1080p 24 Hz)

2. Switch projector to 3D mode.

3. Play SBS movie in stereocopic player, choose sbs.

4. Turn on glasses, enjoy.

 

It is interesting that the H6510BD projector is 3D vision compatible even though it is not listed as so on NVIDIA's website.

Also, it bothers me that I can play movies using VLC (or at least I have not yet figured it out).

post #490 of 510
Update, turns out that powerdvd is better than stereoscopic player. Simply because it automatically recognizes all the required settings such as sbs and the proper aspect ratio so that the image fills the entire screen.
post #491 of 510
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Originally Posted by TiZBaD2k View Post

Update, turns out that powerdvd is better than stereoscopic player. Simply because it automatically recognizes all the required settings such as sbs and the proper aspect ratio so that the image fills the entire screen.
For HSBS, you can simply use Windows Media Player. You don't have to turn on 3D Vision on your computer or get a new video card, it isn't necessary. Just manually set the projector to side by side 3D, turn on your glasses and you are in business.

Here, try it with some youtube content:

Extreme 3D
post #492 of 510
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Originally Posted by CartmanDDT View Post

For HSBS, you can simply use Windows Media Player. You don't have to turn on 3D Vision on your computer or get a new video card, it isn't necessary. Just manually set the projector to side by side 3D, turn on your glasses and you are in business.

Here, try it with some youtube content:

Extreme 3D

I tried to do that with do that with XP and the old card. As far as I could see there was no way to specifically choose sbs or any other 3d format. I could play a sbs movie and enable 3d on the projector, but the image was still composed of two side by side images.
post #493 of 510
You need to set 3D manually. Press Menu, Scroll Down to 3D, and from there (I can't remember the specific menu selections) you can manually choose half side by side. The projector won't recognize it automatically. You'll have to turn it off when finished.
post #494 of 510
I just found the setting (in the main menu after turning on 3d from the 3d menu). I can't believe that I didn't see that before. It seems I didn't need the graphics card upgrade after all.

I guess the nvidia 3d vision is just for games?
Luckily I only paid $61 for the card, seems like a decent thing to have.

Thank you so much. I can't believe this info was so difficult to find.

*edit - I didn't see your post before I posted this. Thanks again. I guess the card upgrade was for no reason.
Edited by TiZBaD2k - 1/9/14 at 6:27pm
post #495 of 510
Since you bought it, you need to put that video card to good use. Keep an eye out for the next Steam sale! Games look great in 1080p on a 155" diagonal screen!
post #496 of 510
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Originally Posted by CartmanDDT View Post

You need to set 3D manually. Press Menu, Scroll Down to 3D, and from there (I can't remember the specific menu selections) you can manually choose half side by side. The projector won't recognize it automatically. You'll have to turn it off when finished.

So what is the refresh rate for this mode of watching 3d? When I enabled 3d vision through nvidia it would drop to 24 Hz for 1080p. For this method it seems to remain at 60 Hz, so is it an effective 30 Hz for each eye?

What is the point of the nvidia 3d vision? Just games?
post #497 of 510
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Originally Posted by TiZBaD2k View Post

So what is the refresh rate for this mode of watching 3d? When I enabled 3d vision through nvidia it would drop to 24 Hz for 1080p. For this method it seems to remain at 60 Hz, so is it an effective 30 Hz for each eye?

What is the point of the nvidia 3d vision? Just games?
Yes, 3D vision is just games. I didn't want to spring $40 for it after the trial period. Seems to me a 3D game shouldn't require additional software to work.

I think the 3D implemented in this projector is 96hz maximum. You can get a program like mediainfo that will give you all the details of a video file. I just looked at a few of the HSBS MKV files I have and they are all encoded at 24 FPS, so it should be effectively 48hz, 24left frames interspersed with 24 right frames. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong)
post #498 of 510
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Originally Posted by CartmanDDT View Post

Yes, 3D vision is just games. I didn't want to spring $40 for it after the trial period. Seems to me a 3D game shouldn't require additional software to work.

I think the 3D implemented in this projector is 96hz maximum. You can get a program like mediainfo that will give you all the details of a video file. I just looked at a few of the HSBS MKV files I have and they are all encoded at 24 FPS, so it should be effectively 48hz, 24left frames interspersed with 24 right frames. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong)

Sorry to ask so many questions but you are really helping to clear things up for me.

What is the point of enabling stereoscopic 3D (1080p 24 Hz) in the nvidia control panel. Is it just for games as well or are there other uses for the mode?
post #499 of 510
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Originally Posted by TiZBaD2k View Post

Sorry to ask so many questions but you are really helping to clear things up for me.

What is the point of enabling stereoscopic 3D (1080p 24 Hz) in the nvidia control panel. Is it just for games as well or are there other uses for the mode?
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Nvidia has its own 3D system with 3D glasses and a transmitter that communicates with the glasses to operate the shutters. I'm not positive, but I think enabling that in the settings just allows Nvidia's own 3D glasses to work.

Edit: Sorry, I had my Nvidia 3D products confused. The trial software that allowed me to play games in 3D was Nvidia 3DTV Play. Nvidia 3D vision is Nvidia's 3D hardware.
Edited by CartmanDDT - 1/9/14 at 8:24pm
post #500 of 510
From what I saw enabling stereoscopic 3D in the nvidia control panel switches the display output to 1080p 24 Hz over under sbs. Enabling it on the PC required me to switch on 3d on the projector if I didn't want to see two images.

Interesting thing was that I did not have to choose the 3d format because the PJ would automatically recognize the the format.

This is actually the reason I thought powerdvd was a good player. Because it would automatically enable nvidias 3d mode and the projector would switch to 3d by itself, I guess the software was communicating with the projector over the HDMI cable.
post #501 of 510
Can you guys tell me if HDMI is required for 3D? My main PC does double-duty as my HTPC and has to be linked to my PJ via VGA due to limitations of my onboard graphics. I've been using it this way successfully for a long time. Just curious if I could play around with 3D with my current setup or if I'd need to make some upgrades (new graphics card or motherboard) to do so.
post #502 of 510
I didn't think it was possible but based on what I have learned in this thread it seems that all you need to enable 3d is to be able to play the video and make sure that the projector knows the type of 3d format being used.
post #503 of 510
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Originally Posted by theostav View Post

You need M3 screws. Same length as the ones from the box. I bought them at a local hardware shop.

This thing really is a pain to mount.

Yes it is a pain. I used this ehotcafe one http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0052YQE7C/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?qid=1389762179&sr=8-6&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70 flushed into my basement joists. Only 3 legs could be screwed in with m3 screws & washers that I bought from home depot.

For my projector screen, I got the Elite 125in screen motorized for remote control retraction. That was mounted to 2x4 blocks flushed into my basement ceiling joists. Just had to buy 2 metal rods & washers/nuts for each bracket. It was only $240 for everything. Took about 3 hours to install everything with the help of a friend.

For 3D, I bought sainsonic glasses and they seem okay. I want to say my first 2 pairs were obviously used. 1st pair was cracked and 2nd pair had a long hair and torn box. I waited 3 weeks for them to arrive as their service said they ship from china. Also, there is a gap between my eyes and the frames that is kinda annoying and distracting. I would not recommend the sainsonic based off my experience. Spend an extra $20 and get a good brand.
post #504 of 510

 i have bought these from ebay...sainsonic zodiac 144hz

http://www.ebay.com/itm/310636905105?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

 

I have received the glasses.... they look like the pictures they have on the items page... but the box they were inside was not blue and it does not write zodiac outside. Furthermore the manual says on the specifications field "field rate 120hz" but i order for 2 glasses 144Hz. What is going on? Can u confrirm if your zodiac sainsonic manual says sth different?

post #505 of 510
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Originally Posted by Pro Phet View Post

 i have bought these from ebay...sainsonic zodiac 144hz
http://www.ebay.com/itm/310636905105?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

I have received the glasses.... they look like the pictures they have on the items page... but the box they were inside was not blue and it does not write zodiac outside. Furthermore the manual says on the specifications field "field rate 120hz" but i order for 2 glasses 144Hz. What is going on? Can u confrirm if your zodiac sainsonic manual says sth different?

Mine came in a blue zodiac box then a white box underneath.Towel was loose and wrinkled showing obvious signs of wear. I ordered one from Amazon and another directly from the Sainsonic site supposed to be brand new! The Sainsonic site order came directly shipped from China and took nearly 4 weeks with no confirmation email ever. The blue box had the bogus QC sticker on the lid. Inside there was a partial torn box with a long black hair in it. Nose piece had all sorts of white residue and smudges. These were obviously used as well. Nothing felt brand new. I am very disappointed with the service. I don't know why but perhaps I received returned glasses. I still need 2 more pairs but they won't be from Sainsonic. Very sketchy company.

For your question, mine says the field rate is 96~144Hz. Sounds like you got the wrong ones. When you put them on, is there a noticeable gap between your eyes and the glasses? When I see 3d movies at the theater the glasses rest right up against my eyes and face. I don't understand why these have a huge gap.
Edited by cloud007 - 1/18/14 at 5:14am
post #506 of 510
Anyone else have this hooked up to a PlayStation or Xbox? Whenever I play a game or movie on my PS3 I will get the enabling source screen. Then when I quit the game or movie back to the PS3 home screen, the black source screen comes up once again. Is this normal behavior? I wouldn't think it should be finding a source once you are already on your game or movie source.
post #507 of 510
Hi, my projector has a couple of thousand hours on it already, and lately the fan runs really high until you turn off the source and it goes blank, then it powers down a bit. I want to clean this thing out, but don't want to damage anything. Should I just vacuum all the openings that have dust on them? or am I required to take out the lamp? The manual says to clean with a damp cloth, and that's as far as they go.
Any ideas would be great, thanks!
post #508 of 510
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Originally Posted by accordex View Post

Hi, my projector has a couple of thousand hours on it already, and lately the fan runs really high until you turn off the source and it goes blank, then it powers down a bit. I want to clean this thing out, but don't want to damage anything. Should I just vacuum all the openings that have dust on them? or am I required to take out the lamp? The manual says to clean with a damp cloth, and that's as far as they go.
Any ideas would be great, thanks!

 

I dont know about this specific projector but in the past I have had luck with vacuuming (in some cases combined with disassembly, although I would not recommend that).  I think the trick to keeping things clean is to wipe regularly with a damp cloth, with the intent of preventing major build up.

 

I would say go ahead and vacuum the openings, but you may wait for someone else with more experience to weigh in.

post #509 of 510
$599 at newegg again till the 19th
post #510 of 510
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Originally Posted by flyingsherpa View Post

Can you guys tell me if HDMI is required for 3D? My main PC does double-duty as my HTPC and has to be linked to my PJ via VGA due to limitations of my onboard graphics. I've been using it this way successfully for a long time. Just curious if I could play around with 3D with my current setup or if I'd need to make some upgrades (new graphics card or motherboard) to do so.

You only need HDMI for watching BlueRays. Games are stuck with 24Hz in 1080P because HDMI does not have enough bandwidth for higher Hz in 1080P. VGA has far more bandwidth than HDMI.
720P Acer H5360 can run 120Hz over HDMI. You get more video information to your brain per second @ 720P than 1080P because it runs at 120Hz. (60 per eye instead of 24 per eye).
You don't get RBE in 3D mode.
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