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Originally Posted by sparkbass View Post

I've noticed what might be my first instance of IR/Burn-in, and I believe it might have been caused by close captioning on Netflix programming. We don't watch anything with static content, and ordinarily I wouldn't consider close captioning to be static, but the size and placement of the ghost image corresponds exactly to the size and placement of the text. I don't know what else could explain it. Since then,  I've been running a lot of (non-captioned) programming, as well as the screen wipe, and the image seems to have diminished quite a bit. Fortunately, it's very faint and mostly only noticeable on white or bright, solid backgrounds. (The wife needed me to point it out.) Still, it's unnerved me enough to dial down the contrast (formerly at 80) on all of my settings and institute a no-subtitles rule in our house unless it's absolutely necessary. My set has 150-200 hours of use; what would be a "safe" contrast setting at this point? Also, I seem to remember reading somewhere in this thread that there's a way to find out the elapsed time on your panel. Is that true? I can't seem to find it.


Just watch full screen content and it will go away, no need to do anything special. I had IR from a video game that took three days to go away once but it went in the end. People on here tend to spaz at the slightest IR and over use the screen wipe, a bright all white screen strains the power supply and shouldn't be used unless needed.

Screen hours: menu, help, version, status4.
Edited by samijubal - 12/11/13 at 2:10am
post #10172 of 12325
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

People on here tend to spaz at the slightest IR and over use the screen wipe, a bright all white screen strains the power supply and shouldn't be used unless needed.

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Well there's a BS line if I ever read one.

Screenwipe is a great tool you can use if you happen to notice IR. I had some IR from scroll bars (right side of the screen) that went away after 4-6 hours of screenwipe. It does not damage your set and it does not "stress the power supply".
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I ride my wind trainer(exercise bike) in the mornings and I can't turn the volume in the tv up much as it will wake my wife. Can I use wireless headphone? I have the 65ST60. Thanks
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Originally Posted by horsegoer View Post

I ride my wind trainer(exercise bike) in the mornings and I can't turn the volume in the tv up much as it will wake my wife. Can I use wireless headphone? I have the 65ST60. Thanks
Does the tv have a headphone jack?
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Does the tv have a headphone jack?

My bike is about 15' away
post #10176 of 12325
What does that have to do with whether the tv has a headphone jack or not?
post #10177 of 12325
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Originally Posted by shenaniganz08 View Post

Well there's a BS line if I ever read one.

Screenwipe is a great tool you can use if you happen to notice IR. I had some IR from scroll bars (right side of the screen) that went away after 4-6 hours of screenwipe. It does not damage your set and it does not "stress the power supply".

You obviously know nothing about switching power supplies.
post #10178 of 12325
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

You obviously know nothing about switching power supplies.
Im a little confused myself. Are you saying the screen wipe will cause long term damage to the tv?
post #10179 of 12325
Folks... how long do you keep your TV boxes? My TV is coming up on 2 months, no problems... thinking to recycle the box in tomorrow's recycling pickup.

How long do the rest of you keep yours?
post #10180 of 12325
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Originally Posted by rocksolidaudio View Post



4) CT260 is what I have. Did yours just auto-mute the TV essentially?

Yes, it automatically turned the tv speakers off, just like it did when it was connected to my 42G25. Sony's Control for HDMI was already turned on when I connected it to the tv. I also automatically turn on Viera Link when I set up tvs. There are several settings under the Viera Link that need setting, look at E-Help under Convenience features > Settings. In the downloaded Adobe version it starts on page 132. If all that is setup right then try disconnecting the speaker's hdmi and reconnecting it. If that doesn't work maybe power cycling both might help. The problem very well could be a handshake issue.
post #10181 of 12325
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Originally Posted by shenaniganz08 View Post

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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

People on here tend to spaz at the slightest IR and over use the screen wipe, a bright all white screen strains the power supply and shouldn't be used unless needed.

.

Well there's a BS line if I ever read one.

Screenwipe is a great tool you can use if you happen to notice IR. I had some IR from scroll bars (right side of the screen) that went away after 4-6 hours of screenwipe. It does not damage your set and it does not "stress the power supply".

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Originally Posted by shenaniganz08 View Post

Well there's a BS line if I ever read one.

Screenwipe is a great tool you can use if you happen to notice IR. I had some IR from scroll bars (right side of the screen) that went away after 4-6 hours of screenwipe. It does not damage your set and it does not "stress the power supply".

You obviously know nothing about switching power supplies.

The silliest thing I've ever read regarding caring for a tv. Turning a tv on stresses the power supply. Sure there's probably less stress since it's essentially in standby. It seems that you're disregarding the voltage regulator and abl. No tv ever suffered from white screens. If it were real problem, I'm sure someone in the tech industry would have said something against running the pixel flipper on the WOW disk. Have I missed that or something? Has someone reported that a tech looked at their set and determined that running the wipe killed their power supply? Your opinion sounds a lot like the argument for leaving a computer on all the time.
Edited by sheshechic - 12/11/13 at 5:39am
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Originally Posted by Marc_G View Post

Folks... how long do you keep your TV boxes? My TV is coming up on 2 months, no problems... thinking to recycle the box in tomorrow's recycling pickup.

How long do the rest of you keep yours?

Despite husband's dismay, I keep boxes for years. I don't think I'll ever throw away my plasma tv boxes, since they come in very handy if I move, give away or sell the tv. Those boxes cost a lot to replace, and having been in the military, I have little trust in American moving companies to build an acceptable box.
post #10183 of 12325
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Despite husband's dismay, I keep boxes for years. I don't think I'll ever throw away my plasma tv boxes, since they come in very handy if I move, give away or sell the tv. Those boxes cost a lot to replace, and having been in the military, I have little trust in American moving companies to build an acceptable box.

Glad to know I'm not the only one. I have basically a room of boxes of my high-end electronics and speakers. The manufacturer put together the box that was safe to ship in and I received them with no issues using these boxes. Should I need to move or give those items away, I only really trust the boxes the manufacturers made to take care of the product. If only it didn't take up so much space......
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Originally Posted by horsegoer View Post

I ride my wind trainer(exercise bike) in the mornings and I can't turn the volume in the tv up much as it will wake my wife. Can I use wireless headphone? I have the 65ST60. Thanks

I believe that the only way to get what you want would be through an avr that offers a headphone jack (connect wireless transmitter) or supports bluetooth headphones.
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Originally Posted by horsegoer View Post

I ride my wind trainer(exercise bike) in the mornings and I can't turn the volume in the tv up much as it will wake my wife. Can I use wireless headphone? I have the 65ST60. Thanks



You need something like this with an optical input going from your ST60 to the transmitter. I've never tried them so read the reviews and choose the best ones, this is just an example, but they look decent and if your spending a lot of time doing activities they make sense. You could also use them with your other gear.



http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00BVUAMYW/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?qid=1386770348&sr=8-3&pi=SY200
post #10186 of 12325
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Despite husband's dismay, I keep boxes for years. I don't think I'll ever throw away my plasma tv boxes, since they come in very handy if I move, give away or sell the tv. Those boxes cost a lot to replace, and having been in the military, I have little trust in American moving companies to build an acceptable box.

Glad to know I'm not the only one. I have basically a room of boxes of my high-end electronics and speakers. The manufacturer put together the box that was safe to ship in and I received them with no issues using these boxes. Should I need to move or give those items away, I only really trust the boxes the manufacturers made to take care of the product. If only it didn't take up so much space......

I've sold a lot of my electronics lately and I'd be afraid to sell a large screen tv without one. I was especially glad that I still had the boxes when I sold my floor standing speakers. The guy who bought them didn't think it was necessary, but I know he'd have been unhappy when he got home and found rub marks all over them from the trip. Boxes also come in handy if you have to send in electronics for warranty work. I'm really glad for all the storage area under the eaves of my two story home. The only downside is running into the creative work that dirt daubers like to do on cardboard, I'm thankful that they abandon their homes very quickly since I've never found an active one.
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Did anyone have trouble with the screensaver coming on while running slide? I cannot for the life of me figure out how to disable it. Been googling my face off all last night and morning.

Help please.
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Originally Posted by rocksolidaudio View Post

Thanks!
1) My gamma was on 2.4, but maybe I should tweak my contrast up a bit higher too.

2/3) I'm watching Blu-Rays on a PS3. I'll try again switching back and forth and let you know (as far as whether Game Mode has an effect on movies too).

4) CT260 is what I have. Did yours just auto-mute the TV essentially?
Thank you! Some great info here.

1) I'll give that a try too for sure. Just surprised that d-nice's settings weren't way too dark for anyone else (at least for TV/movies). Duly noted on gamma, mine is at 2.4 and I'll definitely leave it there. When you say that Cinema and Custom are very close, is that with the default Custom without any tweaks you mean?

2) My Blu-Ray players are either PS3 or PS4, and I don't see the option to change the output for 30fps/60fps on either. PS4 defaults to 1080p/24hz, which I can turn off, but no other options.

3) I just turned it on since it apparently helps with input lag, but I'll try it off again.

Thanks guys, super helpful thus far!!

Also check to see if eco mode is turned on. If it is then turn it to standard.
post #10189 of 12325
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Originally Posted by Dagg21 View Post

Did anyone have trouble with the screensaver coming on while running slide? I cannot for the life of me figure out how to disable it. Been googling my face off all last night and morning.

Help please.
Are you using Slideshow to display them? If so check your Slideshow settings.
post #10190 of 12325
I'm now a proud owner of a 65st60. It's absolutely gorgeous in every respect and I couldn't be happier.

A few questions:

1. What are everyone's thoughts on the CNET calibration settings? I needed some "good enough" settings to tide me over until my Spears and Munsil disc arrives, so I started with CNET's. I tested the settings on The Big Lebowski blu-ray and noticed some strange color splotchiness (yeah, I'm not too well versed on the terminology). Like, the skin on the characters had subtle splotches of red and green. I switched to D-Nice's settings and problem solved - his settings look freaking amazing. So what's up with CNET's?

2. Is there an explanation online somewhere of the various format modes? I'm at work now, otherwise I'd refer to the manual. Some of them are self-explanatory, but I don't quite get the "just" modes

3. The advice regarding keeping the contrast low for the first ~100 hours only applies when I'm watching static logo/black bar material, correct? Otherwise I can crank the contrast? In fact, it seems to me that watching safe content at high contrast would actually be a BETTER option, as it will help age the panel faster? Or is my logic all messed up here?
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Does anyone know if your device has 24fps,should it be turned on? My media player has this option.
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So now that I have the TV on during the day, glare is quite bad in my room. I knew the smart option would have been going LED but I wanted that great picture again.
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The image retention I have from playing Forza 5 is 98% gone. It helps that you can disable the HUDs in the game.

After having the 60ST60 for a few weeks now, the screen filter is good in bright light but not as good as my Sony 60NX810 I had before. I guess stepping up the the ZT60 is the only way to get a significant improvement in retaining black levels in very bright rooms. However at double the cost of a ZT60 over the ST60 (in Canada), I just couldn't justify the additional cost nevertheless.
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I just bought the ST60 and I'm having a constant buzz on the tv. It occurs while running the slides and hooked up to directv thru hdmi. Is the set defected or is the buzzing noise a norm on these sets. Thanks.
post #10195 of 12325
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Originally Posted by caiman View Post

I'm now a proud owner of a It's absolutely gorgeous in every respect and I couldn't be happier.

A few questions:

1. What are everyone's thoughts on the CNET calibration settings? I needed some "good enough" settings to tide me over until my Spears and Munsil disc arrives, so I started with CNET's. I tested the settings on The Big Lebowski blu-ray and noticed some strange color splotchiness (yeah, I'm not too well versed on the terminology). Like, the skin on the characters had subtle splotches of red and green. I switched to D-Nice's settings and problem solved - his settings look freaking amazing. So what's up with CNET's?

2. Is there an explanation online somewhere of the various format modes? I'm at work now, otherwise I'd refer to the manual. Some of them are self-explanatory, but I don't quite get the "just" modes

3. The advice regarding keeping the contrast low for the first ~100 hours only applies when I'm watching static logo/black bar material, correct? Otherwise I can crank the contrast? In fact, it seems to me that watching safe content at high contrast would actually be a BETTER option, as it will help age the panel faster? Or is my logic all messed up here?

I have had my 65st60 for about 6 weeks now. It is a great TV!

This is my 3rd Panasonic plasma, going back to the original 42" 480p display. They are all still performing like the day I got them and I never did anything special to avoid IR or "burn-in" except trying to avoid static images for long periods of time..

All of my plasmas have seen a lot of use and I have never noticed any thing close to IR. Maybe I'm just lucky. I am careful not to leave my Tivo on "pause" for more than a few minutes at a time.

My new 65st60 has never exhibited any IR issues either. I have kept my contrast at 80, and again, I have been careful not to leave a static image on the screen for long. However, I didn't run any break-in slides or refrain from watching letterbox movies or sports. Except for not pausing the picture for long periods, I have used my 65st60 normally.

This was posted a few pages back and is probably very good advise...
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Use Cinema or Custom with these settings, and give yourself a while to get used to them. Don't worry about the detailed settings. Just remember, everything you watch will look different, so your settings should be neutral so that what you see is what it's supposed to look like.

Picture
Picture Mode: Custom / Cinema
Contrast: 80
Brightness: 0 (or get a calibration disc to set black level, should be +/- 2 from 0
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0~25
Color Temp: Warm2
Vivid Color: Off
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Off
MPEG NR: Off
Motion Smoother: Off


Pro Settings
Panel Brightness: Mid
AGC: 0
Black Extension: 0
Color Gamut: Normal

Gamma Detail Adjustment
Gamma: 2.4 (gamma is how dark or bright shadow areas are -- setting this at 2.0 or 2.2 will be more "washed out" than 2.4)

HDMI Content Type
***Leave settings in this menu at their default***

HDMI/DVI RGB Range
***Leave settings in this menu at their default***

Black Level: Light


I plugged in a number of different calibration settings and finally settled on the one that I liked best. However, your plasma and personal preferrence may differ from mine.

I did read that the 65" model calibrates differently than the 60" or smaller versions. Some have recommended changing the gamma on the 65" from 2.4 to 2.6. I left mine at 2.4.

I'm guessing that I have about 150 hours on my 65" panel, and I have noticed that the picture has settled in somewhat. What I mean by that is that the pictures looks more natural than when I first got the TV. That is probably why some folks use the slides to break in the screen. There apparently is an aging process that takes place during the first several hundred hours.

Some folks swear by the break-in slides, and some say it isn't necessary. I just couldn't see running the TV for 300 hours just to run slides. I never did with my other plasmas (the slides weren't even an option then that I am aware of), and I've never experienced any issues with IR or burn-in.

Some folks say that IR/Burn-in may be panel specific since some seem to have more issues than others. I have no idea, but I suppose it is better to be careful than burn-in a new TV.

Good luck and enjoy your new TV. I'm very pleased with mine.

Pilot
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Originally Posted by TheAnswer_03 View Post

The image retention I have from playing Forza 5 is 98% gone. It helps that you can disable the HUDs in the game.

After having the 60ST60 for a few weeks now, the screen filter is good in bright light but not as good as my Sony 60NX810 I had before. I guess stepping up the the ZT60 is the only way to get a significant improvement in retaining black levels in very bright rooms. However at double the cost of a ZT60 over the ST60 (in Canada), I just couldn't justify the additional cost nevertheless.



I'm glad your IR is going away. I think the best thing to do for a bright room is to darken it up. I put burgundy curtains up for this reason and since my windows are my first reflection points for my main speakers... it made double the sense. We also have to get over the "just because it's bright" it looks good mentality. Yeah it was a Sony and IMO it's just a better version of a bad looking technology. I came from a LG LCD and that picture is still etched in my mind, but the more I watch the ST60 the more I realize how much more natural things look.
Edited by comfynumb - 12/11/13 at 9:00am
post #10197 of 12325
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Despite husband's dismay, I keep boxes for years. I don't think I'll ever throw away my plasma tv boxes, since they come in very handy if I move, give away or sell the tv. Those boxes cost a lot to replace, and having been in the military, I have little trust in American moving companies to build an acceptable box.
I am a box hoarder myself. It's a good place for a spare receipt to, you'll never loose it wink.gif I have been getting better with my "problem". Usually I throw 50% of them out now, never a TV box or high end audio gear box as I know I will sell it at some point.

--- P. S, Last warning. These ST60's are drying up fast, many retailer's are out forever and it's only getting worse..........Tire kickers, time to get off the fence biggrin.gif
Edited by Cleveland Plasma - 12/11/13 at 9:42am
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Originally Posted by benz5521 View Post

So now that I have the TV on during the day, glare is quite bad in my room. I knew the smart option would have been going LED but I wanted that great picture again.

You'd still have glare/reflections on the LED and possibly even worse than it appears on your ST. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by rocksolidaudio View Post

New owner here! Just finished breaking in using d-nice's slides/settings, and had a couple questions after watching and trying a few things (also posted on controlcal but realized I should have put them here):

1) While the colors and blacks are gorgeous, my girlfriend and I found it significantly too dark regardless of what device we were using/playing. To the point where I'm surprised I don't see others talking about it. I bumped up the contrast by 5 and the brightness by 10 which helped a bit, but I really don't know what I'm doing on that front or even which of those is best to adjust. What's the best way to make things brighter? (Not more vivid, just easier to see.)

2) My other big issue was with what I believe is referred to as juddering. Basically, the motion bothered me at least a bit in pretty much everything we watched; the least in Boardwalk Empire from the cable box, the most in Blu-Rays I was playing through the PS3 (Dark Knight, Ratatouille). I'm coming from a PZ85U which never bothered me in that regard, whereas here the movement regularly felt jarring (and I'm not interested in turning on motion smoothing, as that looks even worse to me).

3) Is having Game Mode turned on on my PS3 affecting the quality of the picture of a Blu-Ray I may be watching on it? It was tough for me to tell, but wondering if I should be turning it off before I watch movies on there.

4) I'm using a sound bar and basically had to turn the volume down all the way on the TV for there to not be two sets of audio coming out; is there an easier way, such as turning off audio on the TV itself? If so I couldn't find it.

Thanks again in advance for any replies!

Congrats on your purchase. As a new owner also, I'd like to chime in on a couple of your points; I believe they are quite valid:

1) I have 3 other plasmas in the house for comparison purposes, an older NEC and 2 LG's. I can confirm the Panny puts out less light than the other two and therefore appears darker. I think it's the nature of this beast. Personally it doesn't bother me as the Panny is designated as the family room night time tv in my home. I can see how it may bother others particularly in bright room environments. If this is the case you should be looking at another tv, albeit likely sacrificing the outstanding contrast and black levels of the Panny in the process or paying a much higher purchase price (or both).

2) The Panny does poorly in this regard to my eyes but some are more sensitive to the judder effect than others. I think you and I are in the 'sensitive' category and it bugs me too. In terms of judder and motion irregularity this is the worst performing set in my home by far (2LG, 1 NEC plasmas and a Sony KDL55w900a LED) , particularly for long-term viewing over several hours which for me gets very tiresome. If the content I've been watching contains a lot of camera panning shots it has actually induced headaches. I've tried all manner of adjustments and researched numerous forum posts to cure this problem but I think it's another thing I'm going to have to learn to live with. If it were the only TV in my home I would have returned it for this reason, and also the lip sync lag which I've also experience but not as bad after the recent firmware update.

However, I've resigned myself to the above inherent vices as I simply love the picture, thus the Panny is a keeper for me. So we primarily watch this tv at night and generally avoid fast-paced content that my other TV's can handle much better. While for me the above represent some serious shortcomings for a near reference-level product, the heartbreak for me doesn't quite make it a deal killer.

That said, were I to learn someone has returned this set for 1) and 2), I would totally understand.
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^^^
Motion problems on the ST60? Not on mine.
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