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Originally Posted by benz5521 View Post

I'm getting more disappointed with the brightness of the ST60 the more I watch it. I have the brightness on high and it's stil pretty dim in a fairly low light situation.
I agree Totally, I've got the Contrast set at 83, and Panel Brightness set to Low......... The picture definetly seems Dim 75% of the time to me atleast........all my settings seem like there set Properly, I'm Using Cinema setting
post #10352 of 12396
For the best brightness and PQ, use the setting of 'Mid', calibrating in Cinema or Custom Mode with regular contrast set to about 85.
post #10353 of 12396
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Originally Posted by benz5521 View Post

It's less then a week old, it's got a few hours on it. I'm sure it gets better with time but I can't imagine it getting much brighter. I hope Best Buy will take it back because I think I'm going to have to go with a Samsung 8500 or even a sony W850A LED.

Indeed the F8500 is a lot brighter but it also cost a lot more, has inferior black levels and some semblance of floating blacks. I would advise staying the course with the ST60, for I think you will get used to it and it will also improve with 'break in' time.
post #10354 of 12396
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Originally Posted by RWetmore View Post

For the best brightness and PQ, use the setting of 'Mid', calibrating in Cinema or Custom Mode with regular contrast set to about 85.

Yea, I've been reading settings on here and this is what I have. I've also gone back to mid brightness because it's a much better picture, but overall brightness still seems pretty dim.

Custom
Contrast: 85
Brightness: 0
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 25
Color Temp: warm 2

All the other stuff off.
post #10355 of 12396
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Originally Posted by RWetmore View Post

For the best brightness and PQ, use the setting of 'Mid', calibrating in Cinema or Custom Mode with regular contrast set to about 85.
Watching Ice Age Continental Drift, changing the panel brightness to Mid, Mildly does anything if anything...........I do Believe the Panel is giving me the Best PQ that it can, though the picture could be a touch brighter
post #10356 of 12396
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Originally Posted by benz5521 View Post

Yea, I've been reading settings on here and this is what I have. I've also gone back to mid brightness because it's a much better picture, but overall brightness still seems pretty dim.

Custom
Contrast: 85
Brightness: 0
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 25
Color Temp: warm 2

All the other stuff off.

That's good. I assume you have Power Saving mode set to 'Standard'?

BTW, you definitely want the Sharpness setting at 0, as all it does is add noise to the picture.
post #10357 of 12396
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Originally Posted by benz5521 View Post

Yea, I've been reading settings on here and this is what I have. I've also gone back to mid brightness because it's a much better picture, but overall brightness still seems pretty dim.

Custom
Contrast: 85
Brightness: 0
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 25
Color Temp: warm 2

All the other stuff off.
Just curious and I'm No expert but, why Custom mode?? Try a different mode maybe??
post #10358 of 12396
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Originally Posted by RWetmore View Post

That's good. I assume you have Power Saving mode set to 'Standard'?

BTW, you definitely want the Sharpness setting at 0, as all it does is add noise to the picture.

Okay, turned the sharpness to 0 and yes, power saving mode is on standard.
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Originally Posted by 50Kuro80 View Post

Just curious and I'm No expert but, why Custom mode?? Try a different mode maybe??

Everyone says to use custom or cinema. Standard is supposedly useless. Custom is brighter then cinema.
post #10359 of 12396
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Originally Posted by benz5521 View Post

It's already at 85.



They aren't as bright as an LCD, just give it some time and darken up the room if possible.
post #10360 of 12396
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

They aren't as bright as an LCD, just give it some time and darken up the room if possible.

I'm coming from a plasma though and it wasn't this dim, a Panasonic TC-P58S1 from 2009.
post #10361 of 12396
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Originally Posted by benz5521 View Post

Okay, turned the sharpness to 0 and yes, power saving mode is on standard.
Everyone says to use custom or cinema. Standard is supposedly useless. Custom is brighter then cinema.
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Originally Posted by 50Kuro80 View Post

Just curious and I'm No expert but, why Custom mode?? Try a different mode maybe??
. Try switching to Home Theater mode, it does add a little more brightness, try it
post #10362 of 12396
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Originally Posted by benz5521 View Post

I'm coming from a plasma though and it wasn't this dim, a Panasonic TC-P58S1 from 2009.



Give it time to break in and adjust it to your taste. I just think it's your settings.
post #10363 of 12396
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Originally Posted by 50Kuro80 View Post

I agree Totally, I've got the Contrast set at 83, and Panel Brightness set to Low......... The picture definetly seems Dim 75% of the time to me atleast........all my settings seem like there set Properly, I'm Using Cinema setting

If you are looking for a brighter picture, you won't get it with Cinema mode, IMO. Try Custom, as it will get a lot brighter. Run the contrast up to 85 or so, after your break in period, of course.

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Originally Posted by benz5521 View Post

I'm coming from a plasma though and it wasn't this dim, a Panasonic TC-P58S1 from 2009.

You are quite right that these new Panny plasmas are not as bright as they used to be. IMO, it's because they are trying to compete with LED energy efficiency. I bought my parents a 55" Panny plasma about 4 years ago, and it has a very bright and contrasty image.
post #10364 of 12396
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Originally Posted by benz5521 View Post

Okay, turned the sharpness to 0 and yes, power saving mode is on standard.

What gamma setting are you using and what size set do you have?
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Originally Posted by RWetmore View Post

What gamma setting are you using and what size set do you have?

2.4, 50".
post #10366 of 12396
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Originally Posted by benz5521 View Post

2.4, 50".

Try 2.6 as that should give the bright areas of the screen a bit more 'punch', though you'll have to slightly readjust the brightness (i.e. black level) and greyscale (if you've even done that yet). BTW, pro calibrators have said 2.6 is right setting for the 50 and 55 inch sets.
post #10367 of 12396
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Originally Posted by RWetmore View Post

Try 2.6 as that should give the bright areas of the screen a bit more 'punch', though you'll have to slightly readjust the brightness (i.e. black level) and greyscale (if you've even done that yet). BTW, pro calibrators have said 2.6 is right setting for the 50 and 55 inch sets.



What gamma setting for a 60"?
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post #10369 of 12396
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Originally Posted by benz5521 View Post

It's less then a week old, it's got a few hours on it. I'm sure it gets better with time but I can't imagine it getting much brighter. I hope Best Buy will take it back because I think I'm going to have to go with a Samsung 8500 or even a sony W850A LED.

I, too was initially a bit dismayed at the brightness level of my 60ST60, particularly in comparison to my other LG plasmas and Sony 900a (excellent set BTW...for an LED). Funny how your eyes ultimately adjust however. I have grown so accustomed to my ST now (2 weeks), that all other sets in my home look 'too bright' to me in similar dim environments and I've actually had to turn their torches down a bit. While I still migrate to the Sony during bright daytime viewing of live sports content and turn it up accordingly, the ST continues to excel in the dimmer light movie nights that comprise most of my viewing.

Give yourself some time to adjust, as in my case, it was worth the wait and I don't feel that sacrificing some brightness was that painful, after all. The ST is not without its issues but every flat panel has them. A properly adjusted ST image however makes up for much.
post #10370 of 12396
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

What gamma setting for a 60"?

2.4
post #10371 of 12396
So after my first five evenings with my new, broken-in 60" ST60, I'm definitely digging it. Though I have a few nagging issues, by far the biggest of which is the motion/juddering still bothering me. Some of the time watching TV (Comcast box via component), even tonight on Top Chef, but oddly not on basketball. And definitely on Blu-ray via PS3 or PS4 (both HDMI). I've watched the intro of The Dark Knight a dozen times trying different settings, and the motion still bothers me; there's a shot two minutes in where the camera pans past a bed of rocks and the flickering/motion of them is especially bothersome/distracting to me (for example). I love everything else about the picture, but I find myself not getting as immersed in things I'm watching as a result. Slower conversational scenes are fine, but most any serious movement/action just rubs me a bit wrong.

For some context, I'm coming from a 42" PZ85U, an older Panny Plasma. I'm using something close to D-nice's settings, tweaked to minimize input lag (per this thread, I believe). Which also leads me to ask whether Game Mode is affecting things, though I've turned it off on the systems when watching Blu-rays and it doesn't seem to make a noticeable difference. I also don't fully understand the 1080p/24hz thing I've seen discussed, though I've tried it both Auto and Off on both PlayStations, and again don't see much of a difference. Though when Game Mode is on, you get less options. I've also never seen the option for 96hz available.

Anyhow, I'd love any advice/thoughts, and ideally if someone could dumb down the hz situation and what everything should be set at (both TV and PS3/PS4) for the most filmic, smooth motion (short of turning on motion smoothing, which I despise even more). Thanks in advance!
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I also just bought a 60ST60 this weekend, based on all the glowing reviews here and other places.  What I'm struggling with is that I lose all detail in the dark areas of the picture.  If it's a bright scene, life's good.  But take something with lots of shadows and darks, and the only thing I can see is where there is light highlighting a character's face, etc.  I know there's more detail there, because I can see it when I watch it on my Sony R550, which is set up side by side.  This happens regardless of light conditions - I've done daytime and nighttime viewing with no light at all.    

 

I'd really like to figure out how to fix this, while the TV is in the return period.  If I can't, I'm going to be taking it back.  My wife was nervous about the plasma, and I sold it on the better picture quality.  We aren't blown away by the quality at all, and it's primarily because of this issue where you lose large parts of the picture when the scene is dark.  During well lit scenes, it does fine. 

 

I keep thinking there's a setting I'm missing, but I don't know where.   I've tried CNET's and DNice's on Custom, and just straight out of the box cinema mode.  Is there anything that would get me better detail on the dark scenes?

 

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by G-Money1572 View Post

I also just bought a 60ST60 this weekend, based on all the glowing reviews here and other places.  What I'm struggling with is that I lose all detail in the dark areas of the picture.  If it's a bright scene, life's good.  But take something with lots of shadows and darks, and the only thing I can see is where there is light highlighting a character's face, etc.  I know there's more detail there, because I can see it when I watch it on my Sony R550, which is set up side by side.  This happens regardless of light conditions - I've done daytime and nighttime viewing with no light at all.    

I'd really like to figure out how to fix this, while the TV is in the return period.  If I can't, I'm going to be taking it back.  My wife was nervous about the plasma, and I sold it on the better picture quality.  We aren't blown away by the quality at all, and it's primarily because of this issue where you lose large parts of the picture when the scene is dark.  During well lit scenes, it does fine. 

I keep thinking there's a setting I'm missing, but I don't know where.   I've tried CNET's and DNice's on Custom, and just straight out of the box cinema mode.  Is there anything that would get me better detail on the dark scenes?

Thanks!

Try raising the brightness (i.e. black level) first if you haven't. Do you have a calibration disc of some sort? What gamma setting are you using?
post #10374 of 12396
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Originally Posted by RWetmore View Post


Try raising the brightness (i.e. black level) first if you haven't. Do you have a calibration disc of some sort? What gamma setting are you using?

 

My brightness was on 1.  I popped it up to 5, we'll see how that goes.  Gamma's set at 2.4.   I haven't yet used a calibration disc, but have started to realize the value after reading the forums here.  I'm happy to make the investment in the disc, just wanted to know I was 90% happy with the ST60 before I did.  I guess it's a bit of a chicken and the egg deal too....  Thanks for the input!

post #10375 of 12396
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I, too was initially a bit dismayed at the brightness level of my 60ST60, particularly in comparison to my other LG plasmas and Sony 900a (excellent set BTW...for an LED). Funny how your eyes ultimately adjust however. I have grown so accustomed to my ST now (2 weeks), that all other sets in my home look 'too bright' to me in similar dim environments and I've actually had to turn their torches down a bit. While I still migrate to the Sony during bright daytime viewing of live sports content and turn it up accordingly, the ST continues to excel in the dimmer light movie nights that comprise most of my viewing.

Give yourself some time to adjust, as in my case, it was worth the wait and I don't feel that sacrificing some brightness was that painful, after all. The ST is not without its issues but every flat panel has them. A properly adjusted ST image however makes up for much.

Yea, I just don't have a ton of time to adjust. Best Buy's return policy is 15 days I believe. I don't want to be stuck with something that I don't like.
post #10376 of 12396
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Originally Posted by G-Money1572 View Post

My brightness was on 1.  I popped it up to 5, we'll see how that goes.  Gamma's set at 2.4.   I haven't yet used a calibration disc, but have started to realize the value after reading the forums here.  I'm happy to make the investment in the disc, just wanted to know I was 90% happy with the ST60 before I did.  I guess it's a bit of a chicken and the egg deal too....  Thanks for the input!

That's the right gamma setting. What content are you watching? Blu-ray? Are you watching in Cinema or Custom Mode?
post #10377 of 12396
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Originally Posted by RWetmore View Post

2.4



Thanks, that's where I have it set and it looks good to me. I have 388 hours on mine but I still feel that the picture is changing somewhat, which tells me it's still aging, so I'm going to wait a bit before I run the S&M disc. What's a little but of time compared to years of enjoyment smile.gif
post #10378 of 12396
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Originally Posted by 50Kuro80 View Post

Watching Ice Age Continental Drift, changing the panel brightness to Mid, Mildly does anything if anything...........I do Believe the Panel is giving me the Best PQ that it can, though the picture could be a touch brighter

We have that on BD and find the brightness is plenty fine. I am coming from a 5080 same as you smile.gif I am using the Cnet settings and only have probably 40 hours in on the set. My eyes took a little time to adjust but I am trying not to nitpick too much yet. I will wait until 200-300 hours or get a pro calibration. Which I believe will actually make it darker form what I hear frown.gif
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Originally Posted by Poolshark69 View Post

We have that on BD and find the brightness is plenty fine. I am coming from a 5080 same as you smile.gif I am using the Cnet settings and only have probably 40 hours in on the set. My eyes took a little time to adjust but I am trying not to nitpick too much yet. I will wait until 200-300 hours or get a pro calibration. Which I believe will actually make it darker form what I hear frown.gif



That's what I'm hearing, and I'd really hate to pay for a calibration and not like it eek.gif
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Anybody else notice that the 50" and 55" ST60 has disappeared from Amazon? There are a few new ones from their marketplace sellers and used ones, but Amazon is out of them. I wonder if there is any more units left in the distribution chain to replenish their inventory? We know the end is coming, and i've been concerned that inventory will dry up sooner rather than later but i hope this isn't the case yet.
Many retailers area already out ! I give it less than a month................They will be almost gone and a huge rise in price on the one's left.......
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