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post #11191 of 12355
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Originally Posted by insync44 View Post

Anyone have this problem? I have a 60ST60 and HDMI cable every so often seems to work itself loose necessitating me to adjust the connector. The Yamaha amp is located almost vertically below the TV and the wire goes almost vertically up and is very stiff. I have to jiggle the connector to get a picture. I don't understand why the HDMI just doesn't connect snugly. Would it be the HDMI wire? The picture normally is perfect but this looseness is annoying.

google this: HDMI Cable Assemblies with Swivel Connectors
not expensive and work great
post #11192 of 12355
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post


But I like my cable ties and occasional duct tape solution, add a pair of vise grips and we could fix the world biggrin.gif

Ahh the wonderful world of Red Green biggrin.gif
post #11193 of 12355
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Originally Posted by AKA View Post

I'm noticing a vertical "band" on the right side of my 60ST60 as well. It's really only noticeable on light screens (such as white backgrounds). I too read it may be an inherent result of the way they're manufactured, but I see others noting they don't see it on theirs. I have very few hours on the panel, so I'll keep an eye on it, as well as watttheF's posts to see if the manufacturer acknowledges it is a correctable defect or not.
Yes that band seems to be fairly common. I was prepared to live with it until a lighter band started showing up next to it.
post #11194 of 12355
Do Redmere cables support ARC?
post #11195 of 12355
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

Do Redmere cables support ARC?

Yes WattheF.
post #11196 of 12355
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Originally Posted by tdeath View Post

Could anyone tell me how is the 3d in the st60 50 inches?
I have a vizio with passive 3d and I wanted to know how this panasonic performs the active 3d because I have read that doesn't perform very well...
Thank you!

 

I have watched a lot of 3D movies and I have to say I'm pretty happy overall but it is by no means the best 3D tv out there. SoundAndVision magazine have posted some exceptionally good 3D settings. I would give the ST60 an 8/10 score for 3D. Keep in mind that its 2D picture is off the charts good so it is definitely worth it. As for the brightness of the image, with the excellent settings from above, the image DOES NOT appear dark to me at all. In fact, it looks exceptionally well balanced. My fav 3D films are Tangled, Avatar, Life of Pi, The Avengers. Cross-talk is definitely an issue on the ST60 though, but if you can ignore that than you should be good to go! P.S. make sure you are not in Game Mode for 3D. Game mode makes 3D unwatchable.

post #11197 of 12355
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post


HDMI has been a solved problem for years. My current nemesis is DisplayPort. My new monitor came with DVI and DisplayPort, and it's really ticking me off. Cables are expensive, I can't find proper angle adapters, what adapters exist are ridiculously priced, and it confers no new capabilities for my 1920x1200 monitor compared to HDMI and DVI. Seems like a scam to me.

Why not use an hdmi to dvi adapter?
post #11198 of 12355
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post


HDMI has been a solved problem for years. My current nemesis is DisplayPort. My new monitor came with DVI and DisplayPort, and it's really ticking me off. Cables are expensive, I can't find proper angle adapters, what adapters exist are ridiculously priced, and it confers no new capabilities for my 1920x1200 monitor compared to HDMI and DVI. Seems like a scam to me.

Why not use an hdmi to dvi adapter?

Because the monitor's DVI port is already in use by my primary PC. As I have learned, you can't go HDMI/DVI -> DisplayPort, only the other way, unless you buy a $100 converter like the StarTech HDMI2DP. To connect my other PC to the monitor, my best bet is to buy a new video card that supports DisplayPort. mad.gif Finding a monitor of decent quality that has the inputs and other attributes I want is an even harder problem. mad.gifmad.gifmad.gif
Edited by sawfish - 1/13/14 at 11:03pm
post #11199 of 12355
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

Do Redmere cables support ARC?
Redmere cables are directional and I am pretty sure they are not ARC compatible, but I don't have a receiver that supports ARC so I don't know.

***After reviewing the product description of Redmere cables, they do in fact state they support ARC*** Redmere cables support the full HDMI spec which includes ARC.
Edited by fester99 - 1/14/14 at 12:15pm
post #11200 of 12355
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post



But I like my cable ties and occasional duct tape solution, add a pair of vise grips and we could fix the world biggrin.gif
In a tight component closet that I setup for my nephew, I had to add plastic ties to fight off the effects of gravity on 28 AWG cables after they were in place and working for three years. Slowly, slowly, slowly a couple of them crept toward disconnecting. eek.gif
post #11201 of 12355
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Originally Posted by fester99 View Post

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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

Do Redmere cables support ARC?
Redmere cables are directional and I am pretty sure they are not ARC compatible, but I don't have a receiver that supports ARC so I don't know.
I don't know of any reason that Redmere cables wouldn't work with ARC. As I understand it, the directionality to related to having the chip at the destination (display) end where it's job is to adjust the signal strength based on the length of the actual cable you are using.

In passive HDMI cables that adjustment is made in the receiving device and it's based on the assumption that the cable is either 6' or two meters. I'm not sure which. The receiving device has no way to know how long the HDMI cable is, so it applies an adjustment for for a standard length -- six feet.That's why the target market for Redmere technology is in the longer runs from AVR to display or similar setups.

I'm using a 15' Redmere cable from my AVR to my display, and passive HDMI from my sources to the AVR. The 10' 28 AWG passive cable that I replaced also worked but I wanted to have a longer cable and to try out a new technology that wouldn't put as much strain on my connections. So far the Redmere cable has been fine.
Edited by htwaits - 1/14/14 at 12:54am
post #11202 of 12355
As a follow-up to my ARC issues... I couldn't make it work. I have reviewed the connections (ARC HDMI ports used on both sides), settings (Viera Link enabled on the TV, HDMI control enabled on the AVR), I have rebooted the AVR, I have turned the TV first, then the AVR; or the AVR first, then the TV; but it never worked. In all cases when I try accessing the Viera Link app, I get a "Feature unavailable" error.

So I reverted to using an optical cable, and turning that HDMI control crap off. Anyway, it doesn't look like the TV can bitstream HD audio to the AVR through HDMI can it? So if I'm stuck with DD5.1, I might as well use the optical cable anyway.
post #11203 of 12355
I think ARC is flakey anyway and not worth the hassle, I just use an optical cable from TIvo and one from TV to my reciever, I do use the HDMI control options along with that though works pretty well.
post #11204 of 12355
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

As a follow-up to my ARC issues... I couldn't make it work. I have reviewed the connections (ARC HDMI ports used on both sides), settings (Viera Link enabled on the TV, HDMI control enabled on the AVR), I have rebooted the AVR, I have turned the TV first, then the AVR; or the AVR first, then the TV; but it never worked. In all cases when I try accessing the Viera Link app, I get a "Feature unavailable" error.

So I reverted to using an optical cable, and turning that HDMI control crap off. Anyway, it doesn't look like the TV can bitstream HD audio to the AVR through HDMI can it? So if I'm stuck with DD5.1, I might as well use the optical cable anyway.



I've never messed with ARC and optical us just much easier and delivers the same quality, since both are limited to DD.
post #11205 of 12355
I find that ARC works fine for stero playback with the TV's smart apps. My wife streams a lot of amazon prime and ARC with a SC-1223 set to the "TV" input works perfectly fine. The one thing I can't get to work is the DD 5.1 with Netflix through the TV's app. For that, we just use a chromecast now which is also hit or miss (about 70% hit) with getting 5.1 when available. Hopefully the next update to the chromecast will fix the netflix issue and we should be good.
post #11206 of 12355
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

Yes that band seems to be fairly common. I was prepared to live with it until a lighter band started showing up next to it.
Mine is actually 2 "bands", both about the same shade, but one is larger. Larger one is about an inch from the right edge, and the second smaller one is about a half inch from the left edge of the first larger one.
post #11207 of 12355
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Originally Posted by AKA View Post

Mine is actually 2 "bands", both about the same shade, but one is larger. Larger one is about an inch from the right edge, and the second smaller one is about a half inch from the left edge of the first larger one.

Wow, what you describe is almost exactly the same as mine with the exception that the left band on mine is a lighter shade. This tells me that it is related to some kind of manufacturing flaw. Which means Panasonic is already aware of the issue. I am negatively speculating here and i hope i am wrong, but something tells me they will probably try to deny a repair/replace.
Have you contacted them to try and resolve the issue? If not do you plan to?
post #11208 of 12355
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

Wow, what you describe is almost exactly the same as mine with the exception that the left band on mine is a lighter shade. This tells me that it is related to some kind of manufacturing flaw. Which means Panasonic is already aware of the issue. I am negatively speculating here and i hope i am wrong, but something tells me they will probably try to deny a repair/replace.
Have you contacted them to try and resolve the issue? If not do you plan to?

I have not yet. However, I've only had mine about 2 months and still have low hours on the panel. I hadn't noticed it with BDs but after I connected it to an htpc I noticed it on light backgrounds viewing live tv. The edges aren't well defined, they're so faint. However, they're there, and look slightly darker than the background (light grey on a white screen).

Due to it being largely unnoticeable, combined with the fact that it is something others are reporting, my inclination is to live with it. If it stays like it is, I see no reason to pursue it, especially if there is no "fix" and a replacement wouldn't guarantee a better panel. Doubly so since I've so far had no other issues with it.

After I did notice it, I saw your post, and that did give me pause that it might become more pronounced with more hours. Were that to happen, I think I'd at least get a tech out to look at it.

If I can get a photo that captures what mine looks like, I will post it.
Edited by AKA - 1/14/14 at 11:30am
post #11209 of 12355

what kind of IR do I have if it only shows up in certain colors? Mine is showing up in lime green with the USA network logo on the left had corner. Noticed it a few days ago and have been avoiding that network but still able to see it... Kind of annoying but dealing with it. 

post #11210 of 12355
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Originally Posted by edk218 View Post

I find that ARC works fine for stero playback with the TV's smart apps. My wife streams a lot of amazon prime and ARC with a SC-1223 set to the "TV" input works perfectly fine. The one thing I can't get to work is the DD 5.1 with Netflix through the TV's app. For that, we just use a chromecast now which is also hit or miss (about 70% hit) with getting 5.1 when available. Hopefully the next update to the chromecast will fix the netflix issue and we should be good.

FWIW, Netflix App on my 60ST60 does 5.1 fine via optical cable to my Onkyo receiver.

I've also got a chromecast but find it clunky compared to the TV app.
post #11211 of 12355
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post


So I reverted to using an optical cable, and turning that HDMI control crap off. Anyway, it doesn't look like the TV can bitstream ( HD AUDIO) to the AVR through HDMI can it? So if I'm stuck with DD5.1, I might as well use the optical cable anyway.

What were you trying to bitstream HD audio from? Only source that has HD audio is Bluray. BTW did you change your tv speakers to Theater in your tv settings for ARC to work?
post #11212 of 12355
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

What were you trying to bitstream HD audio from? Only source that has HD audio is Bluray. BTW did you change your tv speakers to Theater in your tv settings for ARC to work?

I couldn't change the settings to Theater because this is done in the Viera Link app (not in the setup menu), and I get an error message saying this feature is unavailable when I try starting the app. Evidently the TV doesn't recognize the source as ARC-capable or even HDMI CEC capable. It just occurred to me that I didn't try unplugging the TV to force a reboot though... Only the AVR. Perhaps that'd do the trick. I'll try that...

As for bitstreaming, you've got a good point smile.gif I just got carried out testing what the TV could play and it's actually quite good! My media server stores the various blu-ray demo discs (their AVCHD structure in fact) from AVS members (I usually play them using XBMC on my HTPC) and the TV could play many of them, albeit without audio when a fallback stereo track was not included.

But mostly I just thought that since it's an HDMI connection, it could as well bitstream or decode to multichannel PCM. But if it does not, well I think I'll just keep the toslink cable for now!
post #11213 of 12355
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

I couldn't change the settings to Theater because this is done in the Viera Link app (not in the setup menu), and I get an error message saying this feature is unavailable when I try starting the app. Evidently the TV doesn't recognize the source as ARC-capable or even HDMI CEC capable. It just occurred to me that I didn't try unplugging the TV to force a reboot though... Only the AVR. Perhaps that'd do the trick. I'll try that...

As for bitstreaming, you've got a good point smile.gif I just got carried out testing what the TV could play and it's actually quite good! My media server stores the various blu-ray demo discs (their AVCHD structure in fact) from AVS members (I usually play them using XBMC on my HTPC) and the TV could play many of them, albeit without audio when a fallback stereo track was not included.

But mostly I just thought that since it's an HDMI connection, it could as well bitstream or decode to multichannel PCM. But if it does not, well I think I'll just keep the toslink cable for now!

I'm not sure on the ST60 but in my GT50 the setting to change to Theater speaker is in the tv menu, Viera link setting. Arc worked since day one for me. If you have a HTPC , XBMC is capable of playing HD audio from Bluray/ MKV files no problem with HDMI hooked up from receiver to TV. Assuming your receiver can decode them and you have a capable computer.
post #11214 of 12355
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

I couldn't change the settings to Theater because this is done in the Viera Link app (not in the setup menu), and I get an error message saying this feature is unavailable when I try starting the app. Evidently the TV doesn't recognize the source as ARC-capable or even HDMI CEC capable. It just occurred to me that I didn't try unplugging the TV to force a reboot though... Only the AVR. Perhaps that'd do the trick. I'll try that...

Look for an ARC on/off on the receiver. On my Yamaha I have to turn on HDMI control and ARC both. You won't be able to access the TV app until everything is set up right and powered on.
post #11215 of 12355
Troubleshooting a few things like inputs and cables (most of which I have already done) but short of that the tech seems to think the banding may be a bad A drive. He said the band's don't show up at all on service menu "slides" so it can't be the panel.

Not sure...? but seems as if I will know fairly soon.
post #11216 of 12355
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

Because the monitor's DVI port is already in use by my primary PC. As I have learned, you can't go HDMI/DVI -> DisplayPort, only the other way, unless you buy a $100 converter like the StarTech HDMI2DP. To connect my other PC to the monitor, my best bet is to buy a new video card that supports DisplayPort. mad.gif Finding a monitor of decent quality that has the inputs and other attributes I want is an even harder problem. mad.gifmad.gifmad.gif
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post #11217 of 12355
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

Look for an ARC on/off on the receiver. On my Yamaha I have to turn on HDMI control and ARC both. You won't be able to access the TV app until everything is set up right and powered on.

On my Denon X4000, it looks like there is only one setting, HDMI control, to enable. When HDMI control is enabled, the TV Audio source becomes ARC if avaiblable.

Furthermore, the other HDMI control features don't seem to work either, so I think there is some sort of sync problem. I'll try again soon if I have some free time, by setting up HDMI control and trying a reboot of both the AVR and TV. But on the other hand... if optical connection doesn't limit the audio formats I can listen to vs ARC, I have little incentive to fix the problem now tongue.gif
post #11218 of 12355
Anyone know about the availability of replacement OEM stands for this TV, or if there is an aftermarket solution available? My local BB has an open-box at a bargain, but it comes without a stand, cables, or remote and wall-mounting isn't an option for me.
post #11219 of 12355
Order from Panasonic direct or E-bay.
post #11220 of 12355
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Originally Posted by Marc_G View Post

FWIW, Netflix App on my 60ST60 does 5.1 fine via optical cable to my Onkyo receiver.

I've also got a chromecast but find it clunky compared to the TV app.

Thanks. I don't want to run another 25ft cable through my walls so hopefully they will get the 5.1 issue resolved on the chromecast. If not, I may just have buy a long run optical off monoprice and go through the hassel of adding one more cable.
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