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Originally Posted by mhenrickson View Post

I'm going to BB and Sears tonight to check out the ST60's. If it looks good and they have the 60" available, I'll probably pull the trigger. Thanks for the tips on getting delivered and inspecting before signing off.

If there is any way to evaluate picture quality in a retail setting then I'd like to know. Not only is the lighting horrible, but none of the TVs are calibrated. Beyond that, it's tough to even get a feel for how the TV will look in an actual living room.
A good return policy is your best friend if the retailer doesn't make evaluation possible, Careful reading of owner and professional reports can be tricky, but that can help too.
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Originally Posted by rvanderwerf View Post

I called corporate, but the sku is not in there system, so they were unable to help me until it is in the system. They did say the store should price match sears or amazon, and to ask for a manager if they don't (I think I talked to the dept manager not store manager). All they can see at corporate was 'coming soon'!

I see amazon is selling it 89 more than sears so will try to price match there.

Personally, I would try and get the price match from Sears or BB- which I think is what you're doing.That way they're down the road in case of any issues. I received an e-mail from BB with their new price match policy, which includes Amazon and some other online retailers. I Believe It's on their site too.

Good luck with your purchase, you're gonna love it.
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Damn, now i'm paranoid, i handled the tv by myself (the ait guy didn't want to wait so i just started it, verified, then he left and i had to mount it) and at some point i set the tv with the screen down and lifted it by my self so i guess some tension was applied to it (the screen, the glass) ... so in the last 30 minutes i was looking for signs of cracked screen.

brrrrr.
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Well, I did it. I stopped at BB after work, and the sales guy was actually very helpful. He hooked up a blu-ray player and let me play around a bit. I made the purchase and set up a Friday delivery.
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how much is delivery from BB ?
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Originally Posted by 77Rivers View Post

how much is delivery from BB ?

Delivery is FREE. smile.gif
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How long of a return period do you have? You might want to give it some time before deciding. Some people have claimed to have some success in getting pixels unstuck by running one of those Pixar Blu-rays or DVDs, such as Monsters Inc, or finding Nemo on a repeat cycle, because of the intense colors the images have. It would not hurt to try it. If it remains stuck, I would not keep it, but each person has to make their own call on such a situation. Just out of curiosity; was it not stuck when you first started running the slides? You could try shutting the set off and unplugging it for at least twelve hours to let it completely discharge, and then take a shot at running a PIxar movie a few times in a row. Good luck. Let us know how it turns out for you.smile.gif

Be ware. The guy at BBY told me that they only return/exchange if there are a certain number of pixels broken in a certain area (which sounds like it needs to be more than 1). Worth a call, but I wanted to set your expectations.
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Originally Posted by HD2Blu View Post

Delivery is FREE. smile.gif
Be ware. The guy at BBY told me that they only return/exchange if there are a certain number of pixels broken in a certain area (which sounds like it needs to be more than 1). Worth a call, but I wanted to set your expectations.

I recently returned a 43" samsung plasma that only had 1 dead pixel. They took it back no questions asked, fwiw.
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Originally Posted by HD2Blu View Post

Delivery is FREE. smile.gif
Be ware. The guy at BBY told me that they only return/exchange if there are a certain number of pixels broken in a certain area (which sounds like it needs to be more than 1). Worth a call, but I wanted to set your expectations.
Even with a BB warranty?
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Originally Posted by wirelessroute View Post

Man I am completely confused. So been debating on 65 inch LED LG or Vizio 3d TV with Passive 3d vs 65 Inch Samsung ST60 with Active 3d. Went to Worstbuy today at lunch had one guy working there. Only their LG passive 3d demo worked out of the 4 they had (3 of which are active). The guy was so busy helping another customer did not get any help. I saw the new ST60 and it looked OK next to the other TV's. Is this because the default settings ? Some of the other LED appeared brighter whites, wanted to ask the sales guy but unavailable. I got frustrated and left WorstBuy and I headed to HHgregg where it took the guy 15 minutes to setup a active 3d demo for me. Looked good, then I tried the passive on an LG and look very much the same to me. Both where 65 inch and both where at about 10 foot viewing distance when watching the same 3d demo disk. The disk was showing some deep blue IMAX 3d movie and on the active the fish appeared to almost touch my nose when it came at me. So everyone says go to the store and try it out and now its made me more confused then ever. Both 3d's looked very similar to me. The passive had black lines when I got withing a 3-4 feet but when at 8+ feet could not see them.

My questions:
Is it that the Panasonic was not calibrated that it looked just ok and not as bright ?
Do you guys think active 3d would be ok for kids or is passive a better choice ? (I've read article after article saying one is better then the other and passive has half the pixels.but I couldn't tell and I have good vision, no contacts or glasses.)
In my search for a TV I was all about a passive LED TV with heavy emphasis on LED. The word Plasma wasn't even in my vocabulary. I had 6 different LED TVs in my home which all got returned for one reason or another, but all had 1 thing in common - horrible screen uniformity, light leakage and flash lighting.

Saw a great deal on a floor sample Samsung 60" plasma and bought it with an extended warranty from BB. Price was unbelievable and was covered with the warranty. As it turned out there was burn in but BB's extended warranty covers that so they were going to swap out the panel. Turns out they can't get the panel so they told me to pick another TV.

In my hunt for a replacement the guy said do you want to see some LED options. I was like there is no way I am owning an LED TV after having a plasma in my house. The difference in picture quality is unbelievable after watching something on a plasma. It is so much richer and fuller, uniform blacks, no lighting issues or anything! When I was first buying a TV I always thought the LED TVs look sick. For some reason now I feel the total opposite now. I look at them and just see how terrible they are.

So in answer to your question, put the 3d on the side in your decision. Both TVs have it so take the TV that has the better 2d picture which you will be watching the majority of the time. I really couldn't care now if it is active or passive for the little I watch and also have not noticed much of a difference either way to sway my decision based on that. I might watch something in 3d once a week if that much for a little bit. Samsung 3d glasses fit my 2 1/2 year old just fine and cost $20 a pair. He used the active and passive just fine. Didn't seem to make a difference to him either way.

Anyway, getting a 60GT50 delivered next week. I am interested in how it stacks up against the Samsung pn60e7000 it is being exchanged for.
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Originally Posted by fester99 View Post

Even with a BB warranty?
If you bought it at BB you have 15 days to return the TV even if there is nothing wrong with it. So if they won't exchange it just return it if you are not happy and buy another one.

Once you are past the 15 days Best Buy's extended warranty repairs pixels as long as you have at least three on your entire panel. Below is taken from their terms and conditions. It is number 5:

 This Plan covers parts and labor costs to repair your product in the event your product fails to properly
operate due to:
1. Defects in materials or workmanship;
2. Normal wear and tear;
3. Dust, internal overheating, internal humidity/condensation;
4. Power surge/fluctuation;
5. Defective pixels for those products that have a pixel-based display. Pixel repair will be based upon three
(3) defective pixels throughout the entire display area;
6. Repair of image burn-in for all screens regardless of product category.
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

If you bought it at BB you have 15 days to return the TV even if there is nothing wrong with it. So if they won't exchange it just return it if you are not happy and buy another one.

Once you are past the 15 days Best Buy's extended warranty repairs pixels as long as you have at least three on your entire panel. Below is taken from their terms and conditions. It is number 5:

 This Plan covers parts and labor costs to repair your product in the event your product fails to properly
operate due to:
1. Defects in materials or workmanship;
2. Normal wear and tear;
3. Dust, internal overheating, internal humidity/condensation;
4. Power surge/fluctuation;
5. Defective pixels for those products that have a pixel-based display. Pixel repair will be based upon three
(3) defective pixels throughout the entire display area;
6. Repair of image burn-in for all screens regardless of product category.

Thanks for that, it is good enough for me to try the BB 2 year coverage and then extend if I feel the need to.


A quick question for someone who may know. I am coming from a Sony KDS-60a3000 RPTV and this will be my first Flat Panel Display. Question is I know plasma's have a little heat come off of them, how is it compared to a RPTV. My 60" does heat up the room if it is on for a long time.

Secondary question will i be blown away by the black levels compared to the RPTV? It will have no bearing really because I am prety set on this TV (TC-P60ST60) and am just waiting to pull the trigger on my local BB.
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Originally Posted by bmw850ci99 View Post

Well I have my first issue with my ST60 and I don't even know if it's an issue or I'm just being picky. Having viewed no real content I have about a 1inch slighty darker verticle bar on the right hand side, now I don't know if this is something that will diminish over time or I'm just being picky, or what but it erks me a bit not gonna lie. I've highlighted it in red in this picture, everything else is an artifact of the camera and not actually seen besides what I outlined in red.


Show the pic without the red lines
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Originally Posted by fester99 View Post

Thanks for that, it is good enough for me to try the BB 2 year coverage and then extend if I feel the need to.


A quick question for someone who may know. I am coming from a Sony KDS-60a3000 RPTV and this will be my first Flat Panel Display. Question is I know plasma's have a little heat come off of them, how is it compared to a RPTV. My 60" does heat up the room if it is on for a long time.

Secondary question will i be blown away by the black levels compared to the RPTV? It will have no bearing really because I am prety set on this TV (TC-P60ST60) and am just waiting to pull the trigger on my local BB.

To be honest we cant really say how blown away youd be, but the black levels on the ST60 are superior to that of your RPTV......as far as heat, Plasmas do give off heat, but not as much as they once did. It really depends on how they are set up, how big the room they are in is, how controlled is the temperature in that room, etc....
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Has anyone seen any posterization on this TV? I bought the S60 and am very happy with the PQ except for the fact that it has a lot of posterization in it. I'm wondering if it would be worth the extra $300 to upgrade to this TV.
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

Has anyone seen any posterization on this TV? I bought the S60 and am very happy with the PQ except for the fact that it has a lot of posterization in it. I'm wondering if it would be worth the extra $300 to upgrade to this TV.

It is probably not you tv, it's probably your cable/satellite feed.
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

It is probably not you tv, it's probably your cable/satellite feed.
Other users in the S60 thread have noticed it as well.
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Did anyone try to configure the comcast xfinity remote to work with st60? Any hints on the code? Are the commands like play, stop, etc gonna work on that remote for ST60? Is there a key that corresponds to "apps" from the panasonic remote?

Thanks.
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Here is another picture of the vertical line, it's so damn hard to see in this pictures but it's just the vertical line at the end, everything else is created by the camera

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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

Has anyone seen any posterization on this TV? I bought the S60 and am very happy with the PQ except for the fact that it has a lot of posterization in it. I'm wondering if it would be worth the extra $300 to upgrade to this TV.

I thought you already bought the st60 and returned it for the s60? You said this in the s60 thread.

Got my S60 today. I've only watched a couple of movies so far but I have to say this TV is stunning. I tried the ST60 first and couldn't stand it, I may have just got a dud on that one though. The tuner was no good on the ST60, everything was way too green, green skies, green yellows, etc., picture was grainy no matter where settings were. I'm kinda shocked this one looks the way it does after how bad the ST60 looked. Glad I didn't give up after the ST60. I think I'm seeing what people mean about the AR filter taking too much from the PQ of the TV. I have 2 Panny plasmas with the filter and this one looks a lot different without it. I'm definitely liking the way this looks better, far more vivid and clear than my old TVs. Part of that is just that the TV is newer but I can definitely see part of that is the lack of the AR filter also.
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Originally Posted by bmw850ci99 View Post

Here is another picture of the vertical line, it's so damn hard to see in this pictures but it's just the vertical line at the end, everything else is created by the camera
That line is so infinitesimally small, are you noticing this in actual content?
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You know, what sucks is had I never decided to run the slide prep I probably would have never even noticed, but now that I know what to look for it's hard to not try and look for it.
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Originally Posted by bmw850ci99 View Post

You know, what sucks is had I never decided to run the slide prep I probably would have never even noticed, but now that I know what to look for it's hard to not try and look for it.
I know the feeling. If you can't get used to it in your return period, you could always try and return it. Up to you. I would personally keep it for a line that small. Wouldn't want to risk an even worse problem on the next plasma.
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Originally Posted by bmw850ci99 View Post

You know, what sucks is had I never decided to run the slide prep I probably would have never even noticed, but now that I know what to look for it's hard to not try and look for it.

Just return it and get another one or go for the S60 since it has less input lag for games, if you are a gamer of course. Once you're fixated on a flaw it's hard to get it out of your head.
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Originally Posted by RomanBlade86 View Post

Once you're fixated on a flaw it's hard to get it out of your head.

This. Especially when a lot of money was put into it, too.
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Originally Posted by RomanBlade86 View Post

Just return it and get another one or go for the S60 since it has less input lag for games, if you are a gamer of course. Once you're fixated on a flaw it's hard to get it out of your head.

I'm not much of a gamer and don't think I'd go backwards with a lower model. I'm kinda hoping it'll even out after the break in period and then some normal use. I would hate to exchange it only to have a bigger problem with the next one and since its not a pack up and bring back item im going to try to go closer to the end of the return policy and see what it looks like. This is my third plasma from Panasonic and have to say the best one owned so far was my seven year old professional series, not a single problem and no burn in after seven years of constant use. My 2011 GT burned in with NFL logos after a short time and now this with a 2013 ST.
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Originally Posted by bmw850ci99 View Post

Here is another picture of the vertical line, it's so damn hard to see in this pictures but it's just the vertical line at the end, everything else is created by the camera


I can't recall if anyone found out what exactly causes that, but the ST50 had that as well. I had two 55ST50s and both exhibited the vertical bar on the right side. On my ST50s it was particularly noticeable on the white and gray slides and when the camera panned with a solid light colored background, e.g. snow, clouds, soccer pitch. I was hoping the ST60 wouldn't have it.
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Originally Posted by OCMike80 View Post

I thought you already bought the st60 and returned it for the s60? You said this in the s60 thread.

Got my S60 today. I've only watched a couple of movies so far but I have to say this TV is stunning. I tried the ST60 first and couldn't stand it, I may have just got a dud on that one though. The tuner was no good on the ST60, everything was way too green, green skies, green yellows, etc., picture was grainy no matter where settings were. I'm kinda shocked this one looks the way it does after how bad the ST60 looked. Glad I didn't give up after the ST60. I think I'm seeing what people mean about the AR filter taking too much from the PQ of the TV. I have 2 Panny plasmas with the filter and this one looks a lot different without it. I'm definitely liking the way this looks better, far more vivid and clear than my old TVs. Part of that is just that the TV is newer but I can definitely see part of that is the lack of the AR filter also.

I did but I'm pretty sure that TV was bad. The tuner for sure was no good and looking at the tint on the S60 it had problems with that also. Evereything on the ST60 was green no matter where settings were, the tint is close to perfect out of the box on the S60. The ST60 I had was so bad I didn't spend any time with it so I don't know if it had posterization or not.
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Hey everyone, just a note about the ST60. If you were to use it as a monitor, you'd see 1080p normal viewing doesn't have edge halos unless you enable 1080p Pixel Direct. You can defeat this by setting your HDMI Content settings to Photo.

Also, if you were to say, change the resolution or play an older game such as StarCraft (640x480) you will notice the scaling mode introduces edge halos. You can... ding ding ding! Defeat this by setting the HDMI Content to Photo.

I have to wonder, is this a bug?? Anyway, hope this helps everyone!

I'm going to try out a PS3 via component at some point and force it into 480i/p modes and see if we get any edge halos from scaling. Hopefully, this is just a HDMI thing. If so, I'm not sure the HDMI Content options will be enabled when receiving an analog signal, but I will update soon.

I wonder if this software is programmed like this by design or if this is a bug...
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Originally Posted by fester99 View Post

Even with a BB warranty?

I swapped out a special order Samsung E7000 ( No magnolia near me) no questions. They were great.
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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

Hey everyone, just a note about the ST60. If you were to use it as a monitor, you'd see 1080p normal viewing doesn't have edge halos unless you enable 1080p Pixel Direct. You can defeat this by setting your HDMI Content settings to Photo.

Also, if you were to say, change the resolution or play an older game such as StarCraft (640x480) you will notice the scaling mode introduces edge halos. You can... ding ding ding! Defeat this by setting the HDMI Content to Photo.

I have to wonder, is this a bug?? Anyway, hope this helps everyone!

I'm going to try out a PS3 via component at some point and force it into 480i/p modes and see if we get any edge halos from scaling. Hopefully, this is just a HDMI thing. If so, I'm not sure the HDMI Content options will be enabled when receiving an analog signal, but I will update soon.

I wonder if this software is programmed like this by design or if this is a bug...

I noticed a sharper picture with pixel direct enabled must have been halos... So turning photo setting on omits the halos during pixel direct?

Sounds sort of like "contour emphasis" on the st50 which purposely introduced sharpness/halos... I don't think the st60 has this menu option anymore though?
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