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post #2011 of 12341
Few stupid questions:

1. Does it read subtitles for mkv or avi on the USB stick?


2. How do i make it to passthrough the signal coming from the TV-box or pc in the same format? Right now it seems that it doesn't do a passthrough but decodes the signal and sends it decoded through the digital output. Is it possible to just pass it trough from the comcast box to the speakers?

SO the signal will get in by HDMI and then snd out by optical cable with no decode-encode involved.

Thanks.
Edited by astateofmind - 4/20/13 at 7:49pm
post #2012 of 12341
100 hrs are up will report my thoughts soon.
post #2013 of 12341
I also wonder about that. From where I sit, it seems to me that Amazon is a pretty tough act to follow!
Edited by MountainMichael - 6/18/13 at 5:11pm
post #2014 of 12341
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Only because I got a really good deal on the Samsung 60" and this is replacing it under Best Buy's extended warranty. I know I am paying a great price on either set but just seems like a better deal on the GT50 since it retails for more but that doesn't necessarily mean better.

Anyone see this up to a Samsung pnXXe7000 or pnXXe8000 even? I think the the e7000 is a fabulous TV and feels like a premium TV. Does the ST60 look like a premium TV or does it look cheap with the plastic borders? These TVs have seriously taken over my life for the last 3 months!

I had the E7000 for about 2 weeks before I swapped for the St60. The build on the 7000 is certainly better with a premium feel. The 60 feels and looks a step or two lower. The 7000 seemed to be larger then it was. The 60's silver border helps give it an impression of the bezel being thinner.

Picture quality in my opinion is in the 60's favor. The blacks there are handily better and colors pop. The 7000 wasn't bad but not in the same league to my eye.

I am happy I swapped, I feel the 60 is a better choice.
post #2015 of 12341
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

First impression after break in(ran D-Nice slides & applied settings)
1. The ST60 is a visible upgrade to the GT50.
A. The blacks appear darker
B. There is less noise
C. The image appears cleaner
D. The image is sharper
Will be measuring later to see how close to reference we are.

NICE! I am thinking of making the same upgrade.

Is this cleaner, sharper and less noisy image the case with bluray or HD Cable or both? I thought bluray was stellar with the GT50 but HD cable content needed help in those areas.
post #2016 of 12341
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Originally Posted by AdamHD View Post

I mis-typed... Damn iPhone. haha. It's more in the $2300 range. East Coast TVs as well as All Time TVs have it for around $2300 (give or take with coupon codes, etc). Like I said though, $700-800 more than the ST60. Makes it hard to decide which to go for. Especially considering that once more "reputable" vendors (I don't have anything against those two listed, but some people might) get these in stock, the prices should be in that range as well... Possibly even lower.

OK thanks. Yes I saw those prices but don't feel comfortable purchasing from those retailers. I do agree that eventually most retailers will have the VT for those sale prices and maybe even lower. The thing is that the ST60 may also be marked down even further by then.

Decisions, decisions rolleyes.gif...I am getting a bit antsy though especially with all the talk about how great these ST60's are.
post #2017 of 12341
Saw ,my first S64 at Costco in Concord CA this afternoon. p65s64. Not even powered up yet.
post #2018 of 12341
Went to the Magnolia store inside best buy today and got the 60st60 for $1399. I bought the 4 year warranty and the guy threw in 3 pairs of Samsung 3d glasses as well. Getting it delivered on Tuesday. Now I have to decide if I want to throw it in the spare room for four days to run slides.
post #2019 of 12341
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Originally Posted by jbplank View Post

Went to the Magnolia store inside best buy today and got the 60st60 for $1399. I bought the 4 year warranty and the guy threw in 3 pairs of Samsung 3d glasses as well. Getting it delivered on Tuesday. Now I have to decide if I want to throw it in the spare room for four days to run slides.

How?? Was it $1399 with the warranty?
post #2020 of 12341
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Originally Posted by jbplank View Post

Went to the Magnolia store inside best buy today and got the 60st60 for $1399. I bought the 4 year warranty and the guy threw in 3 pairs of Samsung 3d glasses as well. Getting it delivered on Tuesday. Now I have to decide if I want to throw it in the spare room for four days to run slides.

edit: was gonna ask the same question as the poster above.
post #2021 of 12341
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Originally Posted by unclerunkle View Post

How?? Was it $1399 with the warranty?
I got the tv for $1399 before tax. The I purchased the warranty and got the 3 pairs of glasses for free. Out the door with with tax it was $1797. I didn't have to buy the warranty though to get the price of $1399. Magnolia has always been able to work a deal.
post #2022 of 12341
60st60 1st impressions

Back story... Spent last couple years with LG LCD. Thought it was pretty good but wanted a bigger set it was only 46". In February bought a Sammy eh6000 led, it sucked, bad color bad sound. Got a 55st50 awesome sound and color but dim and soft. Then got a 50st60, too small. Now my 60st60!

Did the 100hrs to the T. Plugged in d-nice settings... Watched a little SNL opening monologue was just jaw dropping. The host the set the instruments just unreal! Threw in Scott Pilgrim bluray and it's just nuts. Color is just awesome and depth is crazy and the picture is very crisp vivd and lifelike. I did bump the contrast up from 79 to 88, but that's just me.

So glad best buy doesn't carry the 55" so I decided to get a 60"(I thought it would be too big). At 9ft away in the sweet spot on my sectional the immersion is awesome and the pq is still very crisp. As everyone knows the blacks are off the chart.

After lugging 3 sets back to the store I'm finally satisfied. Any questions just ask. Here's a pic
post #2023 of 12341
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Originally Posted by jbplank View Post

I got the tv for $1399 before tax. The I purchased the warranty and got the 3 pairs of glasses for free. Out the door with with tax it was $1797. I didn't have to buy the warranty though to get the price of $1399. Magnolia has always been able to work a deal.
So are you saying that Magnolia stores have more control over pricing then regular BB associates? Should I go to a store with a Magnolia then? Just asking because i will be buying my 60ST60 from BB as well. At a price of $1399 i would go buy it tomorrow, well if I could convince the store they actually have them.
post #2024 of 12341
Since a lot of people are taking these sets home now, any chance we can get a 3D overscan test going? I posted about it here

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1468721/panny-2013-3d-overscan-issue

It's super easy to test, you can use an overscan test pattern or something easy to see it on like a Windows desktop. Just hit the 3D button on your remote. Native or 2D-3D should have the same overscan.
post #2025 of 12341
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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

Since a lot of people are taking these sets home now, any chance we can get a 3D overscan test going? I posted about it here

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1468721/panny-2013-3d-overscan-issue

It's super easy to test, you can use an overscan test pattern or something easy to see it on like a Windows desktop. Just hit the 3D button on your remote. Native or 2D-3D should have the same overscan.

I see the "overscan" but it seems to me that the nature of 3d would make this a normal thing. Seems you can't have both left and right images on the whole screen prob needs room to slightly offset the images creating "overscan" jmo though.
post #2026 of 12341
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Originally Posted by fester99 View Post

So are you saying that Magnolia stores have more control over pricing then regular BB associates? Should I go to a store with a Magnolia then? Just asking because i will be buying my 60ST60 from BB as well. At a price of $1399 i would go buy it tomorrow, well if I could convince the store they actually have them.
Yes Magnolia employees do have the ability to work deals on the pricing. I didn't even have to show them a price for another store.
post #2027 of 12341
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

OK thanks. Yes I saw those prices but don't feel comfortable purchasing from those retailers. I do agree that eventually most retailers will have the VT for those sale prices and maybe even lower. The thing is that the ST60 may also be marked down even further by then.

Decisions, decisions rolleyes.gif...I am getting a bit antsy though especially with all the talk about how great these ST60's are.

I agree 100%. I finally saw a 60" ST60 today for the 1st time (I'd only seen the 50" and 55" before). It was at Best Buy. PQ looked good, but I was not completely blown away. I asked the sales guy if I could use the remote to play around with picture settings, but all he had was a harmony that was not programmed for the TV very well. Needless to say, after a few minutes of messing around with the physical buttons on the back side of the tv, I saw they had it in torch mode (of course). I went to the other picture modes, and could really see the potential when the picture switched to more of a warm tone on the home theater and cinema modes. I'm sure after calibration, the picture would be superb.
The physical TV itself was the part that I was not that crazy about. The plastic bezel and plastic stand just looks kinda cheap to me. The VT60 (saw a 60" in person, at Video Only) has such a more "premium" look to it. May sound stupid, but "design" IS a factor in the decision of choosing which tv to buy. When you take THAT as a factor, plus the dual core processor, Skype cam, touch remote, less input lag, AND superior PQ.... The decision gets really tough... Bang for your buck, or the best of the best?... AAAAAAAAH.. Decisions.... Haha
post #2028 of 12341
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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

Since a lot of people are taking these sets home now, any chance we can get a 3D overscan test going? I posted about it here

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1468721/panny-2013-3d-overscan-issue

It's super easy to test, you can use an overscan test pattern or something easy to see it on like a Windows desktop. Just hit the 3D button on your remote. Native or 2D-3D should have the same overscan.

Also trims a very slight almost insignificant amount of the picture
post #2029 of 12341
Thank you. I appreciate the input. I'll pass it along, though I don't think anything will really be done about it.
post #2030 of 12341
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Originally Posted by AdamHD View Post

The physical TV itself was the part that I was not that crazy about. The plastic bezel and plastic stand just looks kinda cheap to me. The VT60 (saw a 60" in person, at Video Only) has such a more "premium" look to it. May sound stupid, but "design" IS a factor in the decision of choosing which tv to buy. When you take THAT as a factor, plus the dual core processor, Skype cam, touch remote, less input lag, AND superior PQ.... The decision gets really tough... Bang for your buck, or the best of the best?... AAAAAAAAH.. Decisions.... Haha

I feel the same way about the design. And I usually never care much about the look of the outside of the set.

For me, it will all rest on how the VT60 tests. If it's just a hair better that the ST60 then I don't think I can justify the price difference, even with the input lag (depending on how bad it really turns out to be). But if it's closer to the ZT60 as some think it might be, then the VT60 may be the set I want. Decisions!
post #2031 of 12341
I'm really anxiously waiting for this panel to appear in canadian stores. Ancy is the right word above. Is the 65" available anywhere yet/has anyone seen it?
I plan on getting the 65" and professionally calibrated by an ISF calibrator but is it really 'worth it'? I notice many just plunk DNICE settings in but I can't imagine that's very accurate. This would be my first tv ever calibrated and I've found a reputable calibrator in my area.
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Originally Posted by AdamHD View Post

The physical TV itself was the part that I was not that crazy about. The plastic bezel and plastic stand just looks kinda cheap to me. The VT60 (saw a 60" in person, at Video Only) has such a more "premium" look to it. May sound stupid, but "design" IS a factor in the decision of choosing which tv to buy. When you take THAT as a factor, plus the dual core processor, Skype cam, touch remote, less input lag, AND superior PQ.... The decision gets really tough... Bang for your buck, or the best of the best?... AAAAAAAAH.. Decisions.... Haha

Can't say I've ever thought about the bezel or edges of any of my displays. The only thing I hate is backlit names like my Toshiba which I just put a piece of black tape over. If you're sitting in a blacked out room fussing about the design of your bezels instead of immersing yourself in the movie you've got other problems...
Edited by systemlayers - 4/20/13 at 10:21pm
post #2032 of 12341
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Originally Posted by biggweeziehd View Post

Also trims a very slight almost insignificant amount of the picture

Aspect ratio overscan pattern

With 3d enabled

To me a non-issue
post #2033 of 12341
Really trying my best to look past this nasty green push on skin tones out of the box.
post #2034 of 12341
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Originally Posted by biggweeziehd View Post

Aspect ratio overscan pattern

With 3d enabled

To me a non-issue

That's much less severe than what I'm getting. Did you see my images? Which version do you have exactly, I tested it on a 50 inch.
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Originally Posted by Dabois09 View Post

Really trying my best to look past this nasty green push on skin tones out of the box.
Change the color gamut from native to normal then. Native has a green push.
post #2035 of 12341
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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

Change the color gamut from native to normal then. Native has a green push.

I have it on normal currently. Wish I could post a pic. but my S3 takes really high contrast vivid pictures and won't illustrate the issue at hand.


Seems if skin tones "fluctuate" if that makes any sense. My first plasma so what do I know lol.
post #2036 of 12341
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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

That's much less severe than what I'm getting. Did you see my images? Which version do you have exactly, I tested it on a 50 inch.
Change the color gamut from native to normal then. Native has a green push.

60st60
post #2037 of 12341
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Originally Posted by AdamHD View Post

I agree 100%. I finally saw a 60" ST60 today for the 1st time (I'd only seen the 50" and 55" before). It was at Best Buy. PQ looked good, but I was not completely blown away. I asked the sales guy if I could use the remote to play around with picture settings, but all he had was a harmony that was not programmed for the TV very well. Needless to say, after a few minutes of messing around with the physical buttons on the back side of the tv, I saw they had it in torch mode (of course). I went to the other picture modes, and could really see the potential when the picture switched to more of a warm tone on the home theater and cinema modes. I'm sure after calibration, the picture would be superb.
The physical TV itself was the part that I was not that crazy about. The plastic bezel and plastic stand just looks kinda cheap to me. The VT60 (saw a 60" in person, at Video Only) has such a more "premium" look to it. May sound stupid, but "design" IS a factor in the decision of choosing which tv to buy. When you take THAT as a factor, plus the dual core processor, Skype cam, touch remote, less input lag, AND superior PQ.... The decision gets really tough... Bang for your buck, or the best of the best?... AAAAAAAAH.. Decisions.... Haha

I agree design is a factor, though our tastes differ in that the ST's plastic bezel and stand don't look cheap to me at all (that silver trim around the bezel does look cheap however)... I've always preferred a very basic, no-nonsense aesthetic (the Pioneer Kuro Elite's all-black physical design is the most beautiful ever in my opinion).

I saw the VT60 in person today and just didn't like that bright silver V-shape stand one bit (I'm hoping Panasonic ends this silver obsession one of these days). But I did like the 1-sheet of glass design, that did look elegant. Of course, the picture itself was impressive.
post #2038 of 12341
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Originally Posted by systemlayers View Post

Can't say I've ever thought about the bezel or edges of any of my displays. The only thing I hate is backlit names like my Toshiba which I just put a piece of black tape over. If you're sitting in a blacked out room fussing about the design of your bezels instead of immersing yourself in the movie you've got other problems...
Well, there is definitely a reason that tv manufacturers put in the time/effort/resources/materials to make TVs look as aesthetically pleasing as they can. They do happen to be the centerpiece of most people's living rooms. I know I'm not the only person who feels that way.... Or maybe I just have "problems" wink.gif
post #2039 of 12341
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Originally Posted by bmw850ci99 View Post

Here is another picture of the vertical line, it's so damn hard to see in this pictures but it's just the vertical line at the end, everything else is created by the camera


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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

I can't recall if anyone found out what exactly causes that, but the ST50 had that as well. I had two 55ST50s and both exhibited the vertical bar on the right side. On my ST50s it was particularly noticeable on the white and gray slides and when the camera panned with a solid light colored background, e.g. snow, clouds, soccer pitch. I was hoping the ST60 wouldn't have it.

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Originally Posted by us2000ua View Post

I have the same line at the same place. It's not visible on dark slides, but on white one I can see it. Just started to run slides. Does your improved with time?

I just brought and started to run slides on 60ST60, noticed the same line on right side at the same place. Does everyone have it? is it normal or I need to swap my set? It's visible only on white and light grey slides, color and dark ones look ok.

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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

It is present on my VT50 as well don't really notice more from off angle

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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

This vertical line issue is starting to worry me

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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

Just want to confirm that I have the dark bar also. Not sure why it's there or what it even is, but it's safe to say that it's on all st60's at this point, judging by the responses. Just so you know though, you have to look for it to see it. Wonder if one of the pros know what's up?

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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

Yes but the important thing is does it show up AT ALL with normal content?
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Originally Posted by biggweeziehd View Post

I see it too on mine its very very faint(lighter bar not dark)... Never see this during real content. I don't care. If I wouldn't have read BMW...'s post never would have seen it.

After having a lg that looked like a portrait of a storm during an all black screen I could care less. I'm not going to let the forum stop me from enjoying my purchase. Cause I see the more you read the more anal you become. Ignorance truly is bliss!

I think if everyone runs slides and looks 99% prob have it.

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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

Yeah, with a proper white balance it's sooo noticeable. But at least that's correctable. The vertical line problem sounds like a bigger issue.
I saw it too on a 60ST60 at BB, but not on the 50ST60. I think this is a minor annoyance that you can forget about once you start watching content instead of the screen. It's barely visible under bright scenes and your eyes are normally focused towards the middle anyway. If I looked cross-eyed at the 60 inch Samsung below it, I could see it there too, but much less defined. Didn't see it on any of the 50s.
post #2040 of 12341
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Originally Posted by Omni009 View Post

I feel the same way about the design. And I usually never care much about the look of the outside of the set.

For me, it will all rest on how the VT60 tests. If it's just a hair better that the ST60 then I don't think I can justify the price difference, even with the input lag (depending on how bad it really turns out to be). But if it's closer to the ZT60 as some think it might be, then the VT60 may be the set I want. Decisions!

I feel the exact same way, and will be making my decision based on that criteria as well.
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