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In D-Nice's settings he has instructions to set "3:2 PullDown: Auto" in the Advance Picture section. For every source I tried, that setting was disabled. What's up?
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Originally Posted by systemlayers View Post

Tell her that 5 inches will be the best 5 inches she's ever had for $700!
# 1 reason for buyers remorse, screen size !!

Man is this thread on the move !!
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Eric.Which Panny do You have with the best 3d?
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Originally Posted by fitzz View Post

Eric.Which Panny do You have with the best 3d?
This one, the ST60. You will need to raise the brightness and contrast up a little bit from what it defaults to at first.

Also, by turning on motion smoother to just weak will help reduce most crosstalk and does not effect the picture, on Medium even more so but might have more effect on the look of the picture.

Also, in the 3d settings there is an option to change the refresh rate of the glasses. Depending on your viewing environment changing this number can help if you are seeing flicker. These are things to play with when you are trying to achieve a great 3d picture.
post #2645 of 12326
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

# 1 reason for buyers remorse, screen size !!

Man is this thread on the move !!
Does that mean you are giving super special discounts to AVS members so they can afford the larger sizes : )
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I also don’t get the huge price difference between the 60 and 65. I’m going to wait to see what the 65 comes down to later this year. I got the 55st30 a couple years ago and I've been thinking about upgrading to a larger size for the last year and half. At first the 55 was huge but after seeing my brothers 60 it made me realize I should have gone bigger. I’m only 8 feet from the TV and I just don't think the 55 is big enough. I'm getting the 60 or 65 depending on how cheap the 65 gets. I think at 8 feet the 60 would be enough but I don't want to be in this situation again so I'm going to try to get the biggest one available.
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Originally Posted by mhenrickson View Post

In D-Nice's settings he has instructions to set "3:2 PullDown: Auto" in the Advance Picture section. For every source I tried, that setting was disabled. What's up?

I don't think 3:2 pulldown is so much an issue anymore.

I'm probably going to butcher this but..

If you have a blu ray player lets say that wont display 24p, the TV's refresh is set to 60HZ, 3:2 pull down simply repeats frames from the source in order to match the 60HZ refresh rate of the TV.

So if you have a 24p source that can't play and match the 24p signal, 3:2 pulldown is used to make sure for a smooth consistant picture? (Could be wrong with exactly how that works, im not an expert)

With set top boxes etc they all display at 60hz unless specified otherwise, so 3:2 pulldown is disabled or greyed out..


Someone correct me if im wrong, but i think thats the general gist of it.
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Originally Posted by Tony1 View Post

I am shocked that the pro reviewers did not report any of this? How do we notice this, and them with all their super advanced equipment miss it? On some channels I do get
a very crisp picture, but on most, i don't.. I really realized it when I would go to my cousins restaurant where he has a 50" base model plasma that's over 5 years old, and I'm envious over
the picture it displays over my 2 month old vt50.. LOL

I felt the same way when I would see my buddies 2008 midrange Sammy it was ultra crisp. So I returned the st50 and I'm happy with the st60
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Is it worth it to get extended warranty?
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Originally Posted by Urga View Post

The black level was measured at ST60 0.005 cd/m2 :

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p42st60-201303312779.htm

The F8500 in 0.014 cd/m² ... wink.gif
Hmmm, the US ST60 tested much better then those black levels on that site. If I recall it might have been more like .002? maybe someone else can confirm.
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Originally Posted by wiggindude View Post

Is it worth it to get extended warranty?
If they cover burn-in which Best Buy does I would say yes. Panasonic gives you 1 year but won't cover burn-in. So all depends on what they cover and how much piece of mind you want. I wish it covered accidental breakage as well. I squirm everytime my 2 1/2 year old gets to close to the TV.
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Originally Posted by scientifix View Post

I am exactly in the same boat. Have a 50 inch plasma now, sit at about 12 feet, want to upgrade and had made up my mind that when I upgrade it would be to 65. Now pretty much zeroed in on ST60 but but the price difference between the 60" and 65" is making me think about "compromising" to the 60". But considering the fact that the 65ST60 at 2.5K is about 50% of what I paid for my 50" Panasonic Plasma 9 years ago ... smile.gif
Going this weekend with the boss (wink.gif to check out in local BB store.

I know it can be hard justifying the price difference between the 60" and 65". I know in my case, I told myself that the 65" was still less than what I paid for a 720p LCOS set almost ten years ago.smile.gif
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Hmmm, the US ST60 tested much better then those black levels on that site. If I recall it might have been more like .002? maybe someone else can confirm.

I'd imagine the device used, what specs, room conditions etc could play a facotr..

With almost any review id expect some variances.. unless I saw it say .04 i wouldn't be to concerned with the little discrepancies
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00390GFJS/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I got this one and really like it. It is the recommended 6500K which is kinda hard to find.

Bought this one. Thanks also if you cruise thru the reviews there is a link to a dimmer

Thanks again!
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

If they cover burn-in which Best Buy does I would say yes. Panasonic gives you 1 year but won't cover burn-in.

If your sole argument is if they cover burn in I still would not bother..

You'd have to go on vacation leaving your tv on with a static image for a week to get it to burn.. I don't see it happening with this TV even then.. I had CNN on for 2 hours last night, changed the channel to check for IR and could not make out an IR left by CNN's harsh logos/banners


I can sort of relate as I did happen to leave my computer turned on with my old plasma for 2 days.. While there was some super heavy IR.. I ran the sweeping burn in pattern built in on the TV and it was completely gone in a little over an hour
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Hmmm, the US ST60 tested much better then those black levels on that site. If I recall it might have been more like .002? maybe someone else can confirm.

Different units of measurement. The UK site measures in cd/m² , and The other calibrators measured in Ft/L.
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Originally Posted by Shady195 View Post

If your sole argument is if they cover burn in I still would not bother..

You'd have to go on vacation leaving your tv on with a static image for a week to get it to burn.. I don't see it happening with this TV even then.. I had CNN on for 2 hours last night, changed the channel to check for IR and could not make out an IR left by CNN's harsh logos/banners


I can sort of relate as I did happen to leave my computer turned on with my old plasma for 2 days.. While there was some super heavy IR.. I ran the sweeping burn in pattern built in on the TV and it was completely gone in a little over an hour
You have much more confidence then I do.
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Well guys pulled the trigger on 65ST60. Debated way to long on 60 to 65 and since I used my Southwest Visa Signature got over 2000 points which will equate to atleast 3 free one way flights to Florida
Also Visa Signature extends warranty for 1 year as part of Warranty Manager Service. May also spring for the 3 Years from Costco for $99
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Originally Posted by biggweeziehd View Post

I felt the same way when I would see my buddies 2008 midrange Sammy it was ultra crisp. So I returned the st50 and I'm happy with the st60

To me professional reviews aren't generally worth much beyond a rough guide to quality and an outline of features that's better than just staring at the specs. The short term clinical impressions of a cnet/hdguru/etc review need to be balanced with real world reviews. They are two different biases, with the professional reviews you generally get the results of a few hours of testing (and if it tests well 5 stars across the board!), with the forums you often get a negative bias since often people who enjoy their set are not ranting in the forums about how much they enjoy it. I generally only hold a few sites in high regard for their testing/reviewing process of electronics and in my opinion cnet is kind of shady with their crapware installer and not-that-extensive reviews. If there was a tv review site with as critical an eye as hardocp.com or silentpcreview.com I'd like to know about it.
I definitely 'trust' users for an idea of the positives and negatives of electronics more than I do a 'professional' review that has spent a few hours with a set. Objective measurements only tell so much.
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Does that mean you are giving super special discounts to AVS members so they can afford the larger sizes : )
There is no question, as are margins are paper thin..........
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Originally Posted by blackdemongsx View Post

I have a question about the Disney WOW disc. Will it be beneficial
to get the disney WOW bluray disc for the pixel flipper even though i plan on getting my tv calibrated later or will the panasonic screen wipe work just as good as the WOW pixel flipper. Im just wondering if it would be good to just have around incase i need it for anything. Thank you
I think the pixel flipper works better than the scrolling bar. I still use the flipper from time to time. And you can set it to run overnight (I hope you dont have to but you can) whereas the SB only goes for 15 minutes. The WOW disc also has an audio section for surround sound.
I think its well worth the price to use initially and just have around for the occasion when you might need something on it.
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

There is no question, as are margins are paper thin..........
Not quite sure what that saying means but hope it is a good thing. Lol
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Not quite sure what that saying means but hope it is a good thing. Lol

It means what they're paying for them is already too close to what they're selling them for to give any additional "super special" discounts.
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

If they cover burn-in which Best Buy does I would say yes. Panasonic gives you 1 year but won't cover burn-in. So all depends on what they cover and how much piece of mind you want. I wish it covered accidental breakage as well. I squirm everytime my 2 1/2 year old gets to close to the TV.

I don't want to scare ya but my 3 year old broke GT50 a couple months ago while "crashing cars" one apparently crashed into the screen somehow! ughh.
$1500 PAPERWEIGHT!

So yeah needless to say I will def be purchasing either a screen protector or a accidental coverage warranty when I get my ST60.

The problem is only Pauls TV and square trade offers accidental coverage that I know of. It is an EXTRA $250 on top of the regular $250 warranty from Pauls! Do I really want to spend $500 just to have full protection? ...man!

I don't know what square trade charges for their accidental coverage. I couldnt find any info on their site. I know it will be cheaper but I have heard some bad things about their warranties. Any info people can give on this would be great.

The other alternative is buy a screen protector but those are almost $200 for the good ones that don't mess with the PQ. But then I have an ugly piece of plastic over my TV...

Best buy has a good warranty that covers burn in too but they don't even offer accidental coverage.

Its tuff to figure out how to get good coverage without spending 50% of the value of the TV to do so!!!

Any advice?
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Unfortunately accidental coverage is particularly expensive because, like so many other kinds of insurance, fraud. Insurance companies are reluctant to offer it because of the morons that get it just so that they can "accidentally" damage their tv right before the warranty expires and then scream and shout until they get a new one.
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So I tried switching to HDMI2, switch on Viera Link and HDMI CEC works. Volume control will maps to receiver's volume control, and opening apps will switch receiver's input to the optical out.

But then, I'm not sure if it's related, the USB hard drive stop working. It used to work the day before. The TV says USB circuit power overloaded.

Then I tried Avatar 3D BD from my laptop to TV over HDMI with PowerDVD 13 Ultra. Amazing. Compare to the Samsung 120hz LED TV I had, the ST60 (and glasses it comes with) is much much better. The glasses fit pretty well over my glasses. Quality wise, it's stable and not 'blinky'. I'm using the default 120hz, but reviews said 96hz is better with less crosstalk? I don't know, I kind of prefer 120Hz as it appears more stable and less 'blinky'. Overall, it's impressive.

Good news, PowerDVD 13 Ultra supports 3D MVC MKV perfectly so HTPC with 3D BD pip is possible! Awesome.
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

I don't want to scare ya but my 3 year old broke GT50 a couple months ago while "crashing cars" one apparently crashed into the screen somehow! ughh.
$1500 PAPERWEIGHT!

I hate to see the spanking that little guy got
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Originally Posted by HD2Blu View Post

What is frustrating me now is that I now realize HOW much I can adjust the picture but I don't know how to? Or what I need to do.
I would also like more information about how to adjust the picture. I read these threads and the reviews as they appear, and there are plenty of recommendations about the settings, but not much information about how exactly they affect the picture, once you get past the basic Contrast/Brightness/Color/Tint settings. For instance, I've seen impressionistic remarks that Standard is rather dim and uses less energy, but what does it actually do?
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Originally Posted by wirelessroute View Post

Well guys pulled the trigger on 65ST60. Debated way to long on 60 to 65 and since I used my Southwest Visa Signature got over 2000 points which will equate to atleast 3 free one way flights to Florida
Also Visa Signature extends warranty for 1 year as part of Warranty Manager Service. May also spring for the 3 Years from Costco for $99
Oh man, I was just reading how the 65" ST does not justify the price difference from the 60" since it is not even a true 5" more.......Said to save the difference and put it towards a new TV next year.




Just kidding and you made the right decision : )

An extra few hundred on something that you will use for the next 5-10 years is not that bad at all. To put things into perspective, look at how much we can spend at a nice restaurant that we are there for an hour or so and once you are done eating, that's it. That money is gone and nothing to show for it.
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Originally Posted by Shady195 View Post

If your sole argument is if they cover burn in I still would not bother..

You'd have to go on vacation leaving your tv on with a static image for a week to get it to burn.. I don't see it happening with this TV even then.. I had CNN on for 2 hours last night, changed the channel to check for IR and could not make out an IR left by CNN's harsh logos/banners


I can sort of relate as I did happen to leave my computer turned on with my old plasma for 2 days.. While there was some super heavy IR.. I ran the sweeping burn in pattern built in on the TV and it was completely gone in a little over an hour

I cant speak about the st60 but as for the GT50, i can say that your statement is 100% false.. I certainly do not watch the History channels for 6 or 7 hours at a time, and I have a H logo that
is permanently there now.. IR should be a concern, at least with the 2012 models..
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