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post #3181 of 12344
Yeah, they're giving us a middle finger for just about everything. I called in earlier yesterday to their parts department to ask for a part number for the VT60 A board because it wasn't listed on their site so they sent me over to customer service. I'm like how are they going to get me the part number, YOU'RE the parts department! Pretty much just gave me the finger. I wonder if Panny has a policy like, if someone asks for a part, send them to a completely different department and give them the run around.

I'm not sure what to do. Exchange the ST60 for a Sammy, of which in order to get the same PQ or better I'd have to get a F8500, or simply get my money back. I don't think I want another Panny after this, Panny's service has been pretty bad. The UT50 had a bad bow at the top of the screen which all UT50's I've seen locally had, and the ST60 is not meeting my needs. Maybe it's time to move on.

F8500 has high input lag but incredible picture quality, however there is a custom firmware scene for Samsung.
F5500 has all the features of the ST60 but with a seriously awful pentile display and no AR filter.
S60 has inferior picture quality, is not 3D, no AR filter, but good input lag.
VT60 isn't even available in my region and my local Sears is saying they aren't even getting that TV in.
GT60 isn't even available in my continent.

Aarrrrghghgh. I'm never going to TV shop again after this. This is a consumer nightmare!
post #3182 of 12344
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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

Yeah, they're giving us a middle finger for just about everything. I called in earlier yesterday to their parts department to ask for a part number for the VT60 A board because it wasn't listed on their site so they sent me over to customer service. I'm like how are they going to get me the part number, YOU'RE the parts department! Pretty much just gave me the finger. I wonder if Panny has a policy like, if someone asks for a part, send them to a completely different department and give them the run around.

I'm not sure what to do. Exchange the ST60 for a Sammy, of which in order to get the same PQ or better I'd have to get a F8500, or simply get my money back. I don't think I want another Panny after this, Panny's service has been pretty bad. The UT50 had a bad bow at the top of the screen which all UT50's I've seen locally had, and the ST60 is not meeting my needs. Maybe it's time to move on.

F8500 has high input lag but incredible picture quality, however there is a custom firmware scene for Samsung.
F5500 has all the features of the ST60 but with a seriously awful pentile display and no AR filter.
S60 has inferior picture quality, is not 3D, no AR filter, but good input lag.
VT60 isn't even available in my region and my local Sears is saying they aren't even getting that TV in.
GT60 isn't even available in my continent.

Aarrrrghghgh. I'm never going to TV shop again after this. This is a consumer nightmare!
What about a VT50?
post #3183 of 12344
Haven't seen any in my area. Not sure about pricing either.
post #3184 of 12344
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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

Haven't seen any in my area. Not sure about pricing either.
I dont know where you live but some people are getting great deals on them now.
post #3185 of 12344
Yep, motion smoother [On] makes all the difference when watching 3D on this TV. Much better.
post #3186 of 12344
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Originally Posted by dogbertok View Post

I'm running my PS3 direct into it right now. Jump to HDMI 3 (where it is plugged into) and no screen or sound. Am I missing something I need to set up. I have a 5 yr Samsung 46" LCD that just is plug and play. What am I missing here... This should be the same or does this have some set up I need to run. May have to start from scratch tomorrow... Getting late, but want my new toy to work right! smile.gif
With your PS3 turned off, hold down the power button button until you hear it beep. Once it beeps take your finger off and let it boot up. Should come on and then ask you to setup the PS3 for your TV.
post #3187 of 12344
I'm curious to know if those who are experiencing input lag and minor "soe" are also experiencing it due to a setting on their receivers? Some higher end recievers do have their own video processing enabled by default, and when turned on can add to input lag having processing on top of processing. This could also maybe be explaining some of the issues with those few complaining of having a mild SOE effect.

I've noticed since i've had it hooked up to my Integra that if the HDMI video settings was not set to "Through" (meaning no processing at all) that I sometimes got a little "skip" or a bit more input lag when im playing something on my xbox.

I don't notice any input lag at all, with the TV set to game mode it feels no different than my old sammy plasma or my sharp LCD this comming from a hardcore PC gamer/moderate console gamer that knows what input lag feels like. While I have not tried it hooked up to ym PC (Don't like to play PC game on my TV as its not my desk and its not comfortable to me with a Keyboard and mouse) so I can't comment on direct feeling of lag with a mouse, but playing any of my driving games/COD/Devil May cry etc.. I cant feel a single long pause or delay whenever I hit a button or move the stick. Unlike when I turn it off and theres an ever so slight delay that completely messes you up.

Just a thought, trying to remedy this for the few people that it seems to be a problem for. I'll post this in the input lag thread as well.
post #3188 of 12344
I am concerned about the IR on this TV. I am seeing slight IR when it comes to the word 'Menu' when you bring up the settings menu. On a white screen you can see menu very faintly and slides have not removed it. I now ran the Disney Wow Pixel Flipper all night and when I looked this morning I thing it was almost all gone but can slightly notice it was there. I will leave on the flipper all day today as well to see if all signs of it will totally dissapear.

It is not like the menu is up for hours that this IR should be so hard to remove. Maybe 10 minutes at a time or so. Hopefully it cleans itself up. I do find that the upper left corner has been more prone to IR in general. When you click on the SD/USB button on the remote the word 'media' will show on a white screen at first but that clears away in a matter of a minute.

After watching "The Following" last night with all the dark black scenes I just cannot imagine going to an LED TV that will just destroy all those dark scenes with terrible blacks and flashlighting. Hopefully this cleans itself up. I do have an extended Best Buy warranty that will cover burn in but still, it is not something I want to deal with.
Edited by eric3316 - 4/30/13 at 5:57am
post #3189 of 12344
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Originally Posted by Shady195 View Post

I'm curious to know if those who are experiencing input lag and minor "soe" are also experiencing it due to a setting on their receivers? Some higher end recievers do have their own video processing enabled by default, and when turned on can add to input lag having processing on top of processing. This could also maybe be explaining some of the issues with those few complaining of having a mild SOE effect.

I've noticed since i've had it hooked up to my Integra that if the HDMI video settings was not set to "Through" (meaning no processing at all) that I sometimes got a little "skip" or a bit more input lag when im playing something on my xbox.

I don't notice any input lag at all, with the TV set to game mode it feels no different than my old sammy plasma or my sharp LCD this comming from a hardcore PC gamer/moderate console gamer that knows what input lag feels like. While I have not tried it hooked up to ym PC (Don't like to play PC game on my TV as its not my desk and its not comfortable to me with a Keyboard and mouse) so I can't comment on direct feeling of lag with a mouse, but playing any of my driving games/COD/Devil May cry etc.. I cant feel a single long pause or delay whenever I hit a button or move the stick. Unlike when I turn it off and theres an ever so slight delay that completely messes you up.

Just a thought, trying to remedy this for the few people that it seems to be a problem for. I'll post this in the input lag thread as well.

All my tests and settings were direct with the TV, I don't have video going through my AVR at all.
post #3190 of 12344
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

I am concerned about the IR on this TV. I am seeing slight IR when it comes to the word 'Menu' when you bring up the settings menu. On a white screen you can see menu very faintly and slides have not removed it. I now ran the Disney Wow Pixel Flipper all night and when I looked this morning I thing it was almost all gone but can slightly notice it was there. I will leave on the flipper all day today as well to see if all signs of it will totally dissapear.

It is not like the menu is up for hours that this IR should be so hard to remove. Maybe 10 minutes at a time or so. Hopefully it cleans itself up. I do find that the upper left corner has been more prone to IR in general. When you click on the SD/USB button on the remote the word 'media' will show on a white screen at first but that clears away in a matter of a minute.

After watching "The Following" last night with all the dark black scenes I just cannot imagine going to an LED TV that will just destroy all those dark scenes with terrible blacks and flashlighting. Hopefully this cleans itself up. I do have an extended Best Buy warranty that will cover burn in but still, it is not something I want to deal with.
Its posts like this that has me worried. I can't believe that it would leave image retention after such a short period of time. I'm fairly new to plasmas but I own a crappy Samsung d450 in our bedroom and it took like 4 hours of my wife watching investigation discovery without pixel shift on to "burn in" the ID logo.

She watches the crap out of that channel and I imagine that ID logo will be nice and present when I go to watch other things.
Edited by garnettrules21 - 4/30/13 at 6:29am
post #3191 of 12344
I would like to turn in principle to a ST60 and I open a picture thread ... wink.gif
post #3192 of 12344
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Originally Posted by garnettrules21 View Post

Its posts like this that has me worried. I can't believe that it would leave image retention after such a short period of time. I'm fairly new to plasmas but I own a Crappy Samsung d450 in our bedroom and it took like 4 hours of my wife watching investigation discovery without pixel shift on to "burn in" the ID logo.

She watches the crap out of that channel and I imagine that ID logo will be nice and present when I go to watch other things.
The weird thing is I can have the Disney Channel on for a while with their logo present for a lot of the time with no sign of retention. Use the Panasonic menu and get IR from it.
post #3193 of 12344
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

The weird thing is I can have the Disney Channel on for a while with their logo present for a lot of the time with no sign of retention. Use the Panasonic menu and get IR from it.
Thats not that uncommon. I have 2500 hrs on my 60ST50 and its that way. I dont notice it unless I look for it.
post #3194 of 12344
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Thats not that uncommon. I have 2500 hrs on my 60ST50 and its that way. I dont notice it unless I look for it.
Are you saying you get that with the menu also?

You definitley cannot see it with anything on the screen. Actually, you really can't see it on a white screen unless you put your face up to and and know exactly what you are looking for but I know it is there. I have about 120 hours on the panel. Like I said the menu would have not been up there for more then 10-15 minutes at one time so it is weird it would leave IR that would not immediatley dissapear.
Edited by eric3316 - 4/30/13 at 6:49am
post #3195 of 12344
Hey, I just figured this out. Want to defeat aggressive ABL? Go to Setup > Eco Navigation > Power Save > Standard.

I forgot that I turned it on to see what it did, and was trying to figure out why all of a sudden ABL was so aggressive and whites were gray.
post #3196 of 12344
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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

Hey, I just figured this out. Want to defeat aggressive ABL? Go to Setup > Eco Navigation > Power Save > Standard.

I forgot that I turned it on to see what it did, and was trying to figure out why all of a sudden ABL was so aggressive and whites were gray.
What is the default?
post #3197 of 12344
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

With your PS3 turned off, hold down the power button button until you hear it beep. Once it beeps take your finger off and let it boot up. Should come on and then ask you to setup the PS3 for your TV.

You mean hold it down til it beeps TWICE. So off.... Press power button(it will beep) keep holding... BEEP(again) release, voila!
post #3198 of 12344
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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

Hey, I just figured this out. Want to defeat aggressive ABL? Go to Setup > Eco Navigation > Power Save > Standard.

I forgot that I turned it on to see what it did, and was trying to figure out why all of a sudden ABL was so aggressive and whites were gray.

How long have you had that on? Maybe it affected your input lag results tongue.gif.
post #3199 of 12344
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Originally Posted by HD2Blu View Post

I know several people on here have reported "buzzing" but I am not experiencing it. I know what the buzzing sounds like because my father-in-law had a 50" Sammy that buzzed pretty bad. I have the 60"ST60.

I read In a thread somewhere that age may have something to do with it. If you are over 34 - you should not be able to perceive a buzz. I am 33. I don't hear it. Is anyone with "buzz" over 34 who can shoot that theory to death?

If my set buzzed I would be really disappointed. I'm glad I'm one of the lucky ones.

I'm 44 and my 60ST60 has a very slight buzz on bright screen, I can hear it over ambient room sound but its not loud enough to bother me. Under normal conditions there is no issue. I know it's there but it's too quiet to be of concern.

My biggest complaint is the dirty whites on full screen white scenes. I hate that condition.
post #3200 of 12344
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Originally Posted by Heywould View Post

I'm 44 and my 60ST60 has a very slight buzz on bright screen, I can hear it over ambient room sound but its not loud enough to bother me. Under normal conditions there is no issue. I know it's there but it's too quiet to be of concern.

My biggest complaint is the dirty whites on full screen white scenes. I hate that condition.

Full screen whites shouldn't be dirty.
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Originally Posted by Stump909 View Post

How long have you had that on? Maybe it affected your input lag results tongue.gif.

Pssh I wish that was the cause of it.
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

What is the default?

I'm pretty sure it defaults to Power Saving mode.
post #3201 of 12344
Are you saying they shouldn't be dirty as in there is a setting I have wrong or that its stupid that these sets do this?

FWIW I've made sure all Eco settings and cats settings are off or auto where applicable.
post #3202 of 12344
No, it shouldn't look dirty. Aside from a pink blob from an incorrect vsus calibration at the factory, the whites on my set are very nice and white, even in full screen. No DSE that I've seen.
post #3203 of 12344
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Are you saying you get that with the menu also?
Yes.
post #3204 of 12344
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Are you saying you get that with the menu also?

You definitley cannot see it with anything on the screen. Actually, you really can't see it on a white screen unless you put your face up to and and know exactly what you are looking for but I know it is there. I have about 120 hours on the panel. Like I said the menu would have not been up there for more then 10-15 minutes at one time so it is weird it would leave IR that would not immediatley dissapear.

It gets better over time. I have over 500 hours on my ST50 and if I am fiddling with the menu for any length of time, I will get some IR noticeable only via certain solid color slides. However this dissipates within 15 minutes of watching normal content. These panels definitely get more IR resistant as they age. I also had my panel professionally calibrated which helped with IR as well. I have yet to experience any IR that is visible during normal TV viewing.
post #3205 of 12344
No, this isn't live. It is called a nightime experience with the ST60 biggrin.gif

post #3206 of 12344
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

I am concerned about the IR on this TV. I am seeing slight IR when it comes to the word 'Menu' when you bring up the settings menu. On a white screen you can see menu very faintly and slides have not removed it. I now ran the Disney Wow Pixel Flipper all night and when I looked this morning I thing it was almost all gone but can slightly notice it was there. I will leave on the flipper all day today as well to see if all signs of it will totally dissapear.

It is not like the menu is up for hours that this IR should be so hard to remove. Maybe 10 minutes at a time or so. Hopefully it cleans itself up. I do find that the upper left corner has been more prone to IR in general. When you click on the SD/USB button on the remote the word 'media' will show on a white screen at first but that clears away in a matter of a minute.

After watching "The Following" last night with all the dark black scenes I just cannot imagine going to an LED TV that will just destroy all those dark scenes with terrible blacks and flashlighting. Hopefully this cleans itself up. I do have an extended Best Buy warranty that will cover burn in but still, it is not something I want to deal with.

Not sure what to say, I have not had a single spec of image retention on my screen since I first took it out and turned it on with the setup menu turned on for around 10 minutes or so. Since then on any channel, CNN, Discovery, DIsney, Nick HD (which my daughter pretty much watches all day while im at work and shes home with the wife..

Never notice a single spec of image retention after the fact, im quite suprised by it to be honest ebcause some IR is expected and it doesnt really bother me anyways, just inherent of the technology. Belive me I've been looking for it to, all black screens, all white.. running through the slides to see if I can notice it and I never see a stuck logo/bars or anything..

Not sure why some is worse than others? confused.gif

EDit: noticed in your other ppost too.. IR usually happens pretty quicky.. you can leave something up for a few minutes and have some IR that takes a bit to go away.. So long as its not viewable under normal content like you said, I would stop worrying about it as it will get better over time.
post #3207 of 12344
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Originally Posted by Shady195 View Post

Not sure what to say, I have not had a single spec of image retention on my screen since I first took it out and turned it on with the setup menu turned on for around 10 minutes or so. Since then on any channel, CNN, Discovery, DIsney, Nick HD (which my daughter pretty much watches all day while im at work and shes home with the wife..

Never notice a single spec of image retention after the fact, im quite suprised by it to be honest ebcause some IR is expected and it doesnt really bother me anyways, just inherent of the technology. Belive me I've been looking for it to, all black screens, all white.. running through the slides to see if I can notice it and I never see a stuck logo/bars or anything..

Not sure why some is worse than others? confused.gif

EDit: noticed in your other ppost too.. IR usually happens pretty quicky.. you can leave something up for a few minutes and have some IR that takes a bit to go away.. So long as its not viewable under normal content like you said, I would stop worrying about it as it will get better over time.
Funny thing is, in the beginning there was no sign of any IR. It was after putting a lot more hours on the TV I started noticing it.
post #3208 of 12344
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Funny thing is, in the beginning there was no sign of any IR. It was after putting a lot more hours on the TV I started noticing it.
IR does not always get better with time. That is the general rule but others have also posted that it seemed to get worse with time. That doesnt necessarily mean its going to keep getting worse but you are not the only one to say this. Mine seems to be roughly the same as its always been but I dont go looking for it.
post #3209 of 12344
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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

No, it shouldn't look dirty. Aside from a pink blob from an incorrect vsus calibration at the factory, the whites on my set are very nice and white, even in full screen. No DSE that I've seen.

Hmmm.. Mine goes from bright white with partial screen to muddy with a full screen. I've read that this use to be an issue on the 50 series like the apple commercials and hockey
post #3210 of 12344
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

No, this isn't live. It is called a nightime experience with the ST60 biggrin.gif


The st60 is a black hole!
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