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post #3541 of 12340
My sears 60" has been delayed every week since they came out.
Edited by squidlytendency - 5/3/13 at 3:39pm
post #3542 of 12340
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Originally Posted by Lethean View Post

So I called Video Only again today, still no 60 inch ones with their shipment. I asked the guy what was going on and he said Panasonic hasn't sent them any and they don't come out til middle of may. So I hope he misheard me and thought I said zt or I'm going to call bs. And if that were true the rep should have told me at that point in time they wouldn't be out til mid May.

Of course seeing as how Sears and Amazon both have 60s and so do a few users here it's likely the former...And I'm hoping he misheard me

Looks like Panasonic has seriously prioritized these to Best Buy. Sad thing is, your Video Only store may very well not have any until mid May. Amazon is showing they are backordered 1 to 2 months. I feel for you, man. Hope they come in soon so you can grab one.
post #3543 of 12340
Hey guys hoping you could give me a little insight regarding the S60 vs ST60.

I know I want one of these TV's just not sure which one..
A. I'd prefer 65 inches over 60 and want to keep my budget in the 1500 area
B. I don't care about 3d or smart apps
C. I'll do 50/50 between gaming and watching movies and I heard one of these has input lag problems? I forget which one
D. It's going in to pretty much a cave so lighting problems won't be an issue at all

Considering these things is the better PQ in the ST60 worth losing 5 inches of TV?

Thanks guys
post #3544 of 12340
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Originally Posted by DreamAgain2 View Post

Hey guys hoping you could give me a little insight regarding the S60 vs ST60.

I know I want one of these TV's just not sure which one..
A. I'd prefer 65 inches over 60 and want to keep my budget in the 1500 area
B. I don't care about 3d or smart apps
C. I'll do 50/50 between gaming and watching movies and I heard one of these has input lag problems? I forget which one
D. It's going in to pretty much a cave so lighting problems won't be an issue at all

Considering these things is the better PQ in the ST60 worth losing 5 inches of TV?

Thanks guys

Given what you said, I'd go with the 65" S64 (Costco/Sams Club) model.. It is the S60, with an AR filter. If you can find it, it is goin for less than $1500, plus you get an extra year of warranty from Costco, and a 90 day return policy.

The way I see it is there is use in paying for features you don't care about. I love my 60" ST60, but if you don't care about 3D, and want the bigger screen size, it's a no brainier. The S60/S64 is a great value with great PQ.
post #3545 of 12340
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Originally Posted by fanbanlo View Post

So I spent a few days with the ST60, and while I like the additional details, blacks and all, I find the skin tone doesn't look as natural as my old Samsung plasma.

Are you using the 'Custom' preset? I was using Custom with everything set to stock, Warm1, 2.2 Gamma, Low panel brightness, etc., and had the same issue. Changing it to Cinema fixed the skin tones for me.
Edited by mrkdilkington - 5/3/13 at 4:28pm
post #3546 of 12340
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Originally Posted by DreamAgain2 View Post

Hey guys hoping you could give me a little insight regarding the S60 vs ST60.

I know I want one of these TV's just not sure which one..
A. I'd prefer 65 inches over 60 and want to keep my budget in the 1500 area
B. I don't care about 3d or smart apps
C. I'll do 50/50 between gaming and watching movies and I heard one of these has input lag problems? I forget which one
D. It's going in to pretty much a cave so lighting problems won't be an issue at all

A: S64
B: S64
C: S64 (ST60 has the lag issue/non issue, depending on how sensitive you are)
D: Either.
post #3547 of 12340
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Originally Posted by Blu_One View Post

An AVR with an HQV Vida chip would def be better.. Maybe even a QDEO chip
Why those chips and who uses them?
post #3548 of 12340
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Originally Posted by AdamHD View Post

Given what you said, I'd go with the 65" S64 (Costco/Sams Club) model.. It is the S60, with an AR filter. If you can find it, it is goin for less than $1500, plus you get an extra year of warranty from Costco, and a 90 day return policy.

The way I see it is there is use in paying for features you don't care about. I love my 60" ST60, but if you don't care about 3D, and want the bigger screen size, it's a no brainier. The S60/S64 is a great value with great PQ.

So the S64 vs S60 is an anti-reflective coating of some sort they put on the screen for brighter rooms?

Is this the only difference? I'm not a Costco member and the closest one is a tad far. When you factor in tax and the $99.99 shipping fee and the $50 membership it might be cheaper for me to buy the s60 online somewhere with free shipping and no tax. Not sure how important the AR filter is for me.
Edited by DreamAgain2 - 5/3/13 at 4:54pm
post #3549 of 12340
Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamAgain2 View Post

Hey guys hoping you could give me a little insight regarding the S60 vs ST60.

I know I want one of these TV's just not sure which one..
A. I'd prefer 65 inches over 60 and want to keep my budget in the 1500 area
B. I don't care about 3d or smart apps
C. I'll do 50/50 between gaming and watching movies and I heard one of these has input lag problems? I forget which one
D. It's going in to pretty much a cave so lighting problems won't be an issue at all

Considering these things is the better PQ in the ST60 worth losing 5 inches of TV?

Thanks guys
They always say bigger is better, so get the bigger less expensive set.
post #3550 of 12340
Not only does my Video Only not have them, my local Best Buy had them in stock according to their website...for approx 3-4 days lol. So Cleveland Plasma, did your initial shipment go out to all your early email preorders?
post #3551 of 12340
Got my p60st60 mounted and will post my 3d, Blu-Ray and gaming impressions soon.
post #3552 of 12340
All I got to say is I LOVE MY P50ST60. PQ is perfect both during movies and sports. Love watching my Rangers whoop up on some red soxs;-)
post #3553 of 12340
So the S64 has the same PQ as the ST60? I noticed that the S64 also had the pro settings.
post #3554 of 12340
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Originally Posted by andy sullivan View Post

Why those chips and who uses them?

For 1080p upscaling and deinterlacing, I'm more familiar with the HQV chip, it's known for its performance, Some AVRs from Onkyo, maybe Integra and Yamaha uses it for video processing
post #3555 of 12340
Ok, show of hands...Who here, that see's slight SOE with motion smoother set to OFF, had or has a 50 series Panasonic plasma as well??

I saw the same thing on my GT50. It never bothered me with cable (maybe because it is broadcast in 60hz anyways) but with film (24p) content it bothered me a bit. 48 Hz. was unwatchable on GT50 because of flicker, but with the new 96hz on the ST60 shouldn't that fix that issue as well as get rid of any SOE for movies????

I am trying to figure out if the slight SOE is even more pronounced on the ST60 than the 50 series plasma's, or about the same.
Edited by wattheF - 5/3/13 at 9:25pm
post #3556 of 12340
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

Ok, show of hands...Who here, that see's slight SOE with motion smoother set to OFF, had or has a 50 series Panasonic plasma as well??

I saw the same thing on my GT50. It never bothered me with cable (maybe because it is broadcast in 60hz anyways) but with film (24p) content it bothered me a bit. 48 Hz. was unwatchable on GT50 because of flicker, but with the new 96hz on the ST60 shouldn't that fix that issue as well as get rid of any SOE for movies????

I am trying to figure out if the slight SOE is even more pronounced on the ST60 than the 50 series plasma's, or about the same.

I see it even when turned off, but I can't compare it to the GT50. Some content looks worse than others.
post #3557 of 12340
Anyone else hit the exit button on the remote while having the menu up during app/usb/Netflix content and have the whole thing exit to the home screen?
post #3558 of 12340
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Originally Posted by Omni009 View Post

Not only does my Video Only not have them, my local Best Buy had them in stock according to their website...for approx 3-4 days lol. So Cleveland Plasma, did your initial shipment go out to all your early email preorders?
Nope, in stock wink.gif
post #3559 of 12340
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Originally Posted by ThrowingChicken View Post

Anyone else hit the exit button on the remote while having the menu up during app/usb/Netflix content and have the whole thing exit to the home screen?
Yes and the 2012 models did the same thing.
I wish it would at least ask you if you are sure you want that if you press Exit.
post #3560 of 12340
The ST60 I had doesn't do that.
post #3561 of 12340
They do when using exit, you have to use return instead of exit.
post #3562 of 12340
No, it doesn't. Mine never did that, and I always used exit.
post #3563 of 12340
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Originally Posted by ThrowingChicken View Post

Anyone else hit the exit button on the remote while having the menu up during app/usb/Netflix content and have the whole thing exit to the home screen?
Normal
post #3564 of 12340

Installed the Inspired LED strip last night.

Thanks for the heads up everyone!

The "Dude" abides ...
post #3565 of 12340
Got the TV on the wall last Tuesday, BTW buy M8 1.25 x 25mm bolts if your wall mounting, they work perfectly. Expectations were not that high, I mostly, not always the case, believe you get what you pay for and $1499 for 60" TV seems like you would get a upper low to mid end set. Well I am happy to say this TV blows me away. My 2008 panny after the black levels raised, the blacks looked grey, this TV the blacks are so inky it's such a stark difference. I know we put too much emphasis on black level but the difference is so immediately noticeable. I decided to put DNice settings in and not do the 100 hour thing beforehand and wow colors and flesh tones and the overall picture just pops off the screen. I cannot believe for 1k (I sold my old Panny) I have this great of a TV. I swore I would never buy a Panny again after the black level rising debacle but given the reviews and price I was like hey this will be a nice stand in for a couple of years until the next $3k+ awesome set comes out . Now I can see keeping this for a while. I am not going to OCD this set and do burn in, slides, etc etc etc, for once I just want to enjoy my TV. I will be sensible and let the panel settle in for a week but then not going to limit what I do, black bars, gaming, etc after the first week.

I have already read the flocks on posts about input lag, buzzing, etc, always gotta be something, luckily I have no issues so far, nor am I going to go looking for them, just going to enjoy this fabulous TV for once smile.gif.
post #3566 of 12340
Anyone able to to swipe a video from their smart phone to the TV without the video freezing and running in slow-mo? Also, I cannot get any video to play from the phone at all unless the video was actually recorded with the phone. Movies I have downloaded on my phone will start to go to the TV but then the phone reads with an error and the TV goes back to playing the station it was on.

This is where Samsung really shines. They do not have issues like this. Why does Panasonic include things like this if they do not even work!
post #3567 of 12340
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

Ok, show of hands...Who here, that see's slight SOE with motion smoother set to OFF, had or has a 50 series Panasonic plasma as well??

Does anyone know if that's because, that is how the 2500 FFD (Focused Field Drive) handles motion?
post #3568 of 12340
I posted Thursday about how the Best Buy premier silver membership offered a FREE calibration.

The geek squad guy just left. We ran a few demos and I can't wait to play around with these new settings more. My first impression was it would have been totally worth $250! What he did was awesome! He knew what he was doing and had had several years of experience dong this (that being said - each tech is going to be different) I'll post more thoughts and the settings later tonight, but VERY impressed with what he did. He showed me some per-calibration charts and actually the settings I got from AVS were pretty close but pushed too much red (ever so slightly) now they are all even.

BTW he just calibrated a Samsung F8500 last week and did a ton of VT50s last year. He said based on what he saw - he thought this TV was almost better than the VT50 and for half the price of the F8500 he was super impressed with what the ST60 could do. The only thing he wished the ST60 would have had is the secondary color settings. H couldn't get the yellow, cyan, and magenta EXACTLY where he wanted them but he was pleased with it non-the-less. He said the human eye wouldn't be able to detect the difference.

I'll post more later.
post #3569 of 12340
In general, is Panasonic just terrible at updating their products firmware? I know the lag has no chance being fixed because the firmware is design like it is and panasonic wouldn't want to try and problem solve it. But, the no 48hz in 3D is unacceptable, since the ST50 only looked good in 48hz. Would a firmware update to enable 48hz be simple for panasonic?
post #3570 of 12340
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Originally Posted by HD2Blu View Post

I posted Thursday about how the Best Buy premier silver membership offered a FREE calibration.

The geek squad guy just left. We ran a few demos and I can't wait to play around with these new settings more. My first impression was it would have been totally worth $250! What he did was awesome! He knew what he was doing and had had several years of experience dong this (that being said - each tech is going to be different) I'll post more thoughts and the settings later tonight, but VERY impressed with what he did. He showed me some per-calibration charts and actually the settings I got from AVS were pretty close but pushed too much red (ever so slightly) now they are all even.

BTW he just calibrated a Samsung F8500 last week and did a ton of VT50s last year. He said based on what he saw - he thought this TV was almost better than the VT50 and for half the price of the F8500 he was super impressed with what the ST60 could do. The only thing he wished the ST60 would have had is the secondary color settings. H couldn't get the yellow, cyan, and magenta EXACTLY where he wanted them but he was pleased with it non-the-less. He said the human eye wouldn't be able to detect the difference.

I'll post more later.
Awesome if you can post the settings!
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