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Originally Posted by biggweeziehd View Post



Nothing that says trouble shooting. Can someone please do the process of this fix and post. I think menus may have changed since y'all set up your remotes

Maybe it's only available via their application, not the web interface. I'm using the Logitech software for Mac, but have done the same thing with the PC software before.
post #3992 of 12359
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Originally Posted by rupterr View Post

Can I ask in what way the pic quality is improved?

These are just VERY early impressions and the viewing environment is too bright right now to judge accurately, but my only complaint with the GT50 was HD cable content seemed to be a bit softer than expected. The ST60 does seem a bit sharper in that regard (even with my screen size increase). Also it seems brighter and day time viewing is better.

Will report back tonite when I can really test it.

BTW... No buzz unless you put your head to the screen during a white slide!

I do have the faint vertical band on the right side. Only noticeable with white/gray slides.
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@Eric3316, I understand what you are going through. Until my son was completely out of the house, I purposely maintained a LCD household. Now the LCD is upstairs and I maintain strict control over how the downstairs plasma is utilized. I do think the ST60 will get more IR resistant as the panel ages, this was the case with my ST50 as well. If this is your family’s main viewing panel, you may want to sacrifice pq for peace of mind, at least in the short-run. You definitely have a tough decision to make.
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Originally Posted by smeg36 View Post

Maybe it's only available via their application, not the web interface. I'm using the Logitech software for Mac, but have done the same thing with the PC software before.
I am using Windows 7 pc software.
post #3995 of 12359
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Originally Posted by jmbauman View Post

Does anyone know if the st60 supports 802.11n (and if so dual band?) I can't seem to find any documentation that secifies. Also, is the Ethernet port 1Gbit?
I'm using 5.4 , and works great, have an asus N66 Dark Knight Router.
post #3996 of 12359
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

So after getting some bothersome IR on my ST60 as some may know, I wanted to try another LED TV (already tested 7 LG's so thought I would try a Samsung) so last night I picked up a 60es7500 to see if I can live with it.

Having a 2 1/2 year old this TV will be getting a lot of use and at times the same channel will probably be on for hours at a time. He loves watching race cars so the Fox Sports logo has been the culprit of the worst IR so far as well the Panasonic Menu although that seemed to have dissapeared since I have not used the menu as much any more.

Well, gets the first thing out of the way. The LED cannot touch the pq of the ST60. It literally looks like 2 different generations of TV's. I didn't really have the time to play around enough with the 7500 last night but I cannot imagine being able to tweak it enough to even come close the the ST60. To be fair it was at night so there was no natural light to compete with where the LED might perform better but once that sun sets I do not know if there is a chance for any LED besides a full array to even come close to the ST60.

I do like the idea of being able to leave something on and not have to worry about it though. Or if a dvd stops playing and the menu sits on the TV screen because we went into another room. I also like Samsung's smart features which can come in handy having a kid but I know people frown upon that stuff here. The hand motion worked pretty well which I was surprised because of what some reviews said. I think they just did not know how to actually use it. After speaking with Samsung support last night they tech showed me how to get it to work everytime and it did. I am a sucker for all the little gimicks!

The 3d was also pretty solid on the es7500 and I have not tried a blu-ray yet. Will have to throw something in there tonight to see what it can do. The blacks are terrible and screen uniformity is what is expected of an LED but better then the LG's I have tried.

The ST60 is a pure movie theater experience, especially when you dim those lights. The es7500 seems more like a family enjoyment, kid friendly TV while the ST60 is a no games, straight up theater experience with extra smart features that really do not work well at all. I will say from what I have seen so far the 3d is quite good on the es7500 though.

Well decisions, decisions, decisions......One has to eventually go back. On the ST60 I do have a 2 year BB warranty on it that would cover burn in so I would be okay for a while if the IR gets worse and refuses to disspapear.

I obviously know what everyone's decision here would be but just thought I would put this out there for people on the fence about which technology to go with or what would be best for them in their situation.

If I have never seen the ST60 in my home I would have been okay with the Sammy LED, but I kind of got spoiled now and can see with my own 2 eyes what people mean when they say plasma's have one of the best, if not the best pq's of any TV technology right now and will only be outdone by a full array LED or OLED in the near future.

Man, I know I wont give up the PQ. I have 2 little ones so the wife has to keep an eye on the stationary logos and such (use the zoom). She complains about it a bit but oh well!

I don't even have a burn in warranty either...rolleyes.gif
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Is anyone else having problems with their 3d glasses? One of my two pairs keeps blinking twice every 4 seconds. I can't turn it on or off, or connect it to the tv. I have to pull the battery every time I use it. I'm not positive, but I think it's the same pair doing it every time. Is there a way to reset them or anything? I read through the manual, but it didn't really address my problem. It says the flashing means 2d mode is selected, which it isn't. It also never shuts off automatically. It's been blinking since last night.
post #3998 of 12359
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Plasma isnt for everyone its all about what picture qualites and features you value ultimately, gonna be tough to go back to mediorce blacks and bad viewing angles tho smile.gif

I would also include peace of mind. Many, like myself, value strong pq but when I purchased my first HDTV, I purchased a LCD. I really wanted plasma at the time but the panel was going to be my family's main viewing panel. I was concerned about burn in from certain channels and video games so LCD became the clear choice during my cost/benefit analysis. When I refinished my basement to include a home theater space, I did so with a large plasma panel in mind.
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

So after getting some bothersome IR on my ST60 as some may know, I wanted to try another LED TV (already tested 7 LG's so thought I would try a Samsung) so last night I picked up a 60es7500 to see if I can live with it.

Having a 2 1/2 year old this TV will be getting a lot of use and at times the same channel will probably be on for hours at a time. He loves watching race cars so the Fox Sports logo has been the culprit of the worst IR so far as well the Panasonic Menu although that seemed to have dissapeared since I have not used the menu as much any more.

Well, gets the first thing out of the way. The LED cannot touch the pq of the ST60. It literally looks like 2 different generations of TV's. I didn't really have the time to play around enough with the 7500 last night but I cannot imagine being able to tweak it enough to even come close the the ST60. To be fair it was at night so there was no natural light to compete with where the LED might perform better but once that sun sets I do not know if there is a chance for any LED besides a full array to even come close to the ST60.

I do like the idea of being able to leave something on and not have to worry about it though. Or if a dvd stops playing and the menu sits on the TV screen because we went into another room. I also like Samsung's smart features which can come in handy having a kid but I know people frown upon that stuff here. The hand motion worked pretty well which I was surprised because of what some reviews said. I think they just did not know how to actually use it. After speaking with Samsung support last night they tech showed me how to get it to work everytime and it did. I am a sucker for all the little gimicks!

The 3d was also pretty solid on the es7500 and I have not tried a blu-ray yet. Will have to throw something in there tonight to see what it can do. The blacks are terrible and screen uniformity is what is expected of an LED but better then the LG's I have tried.

The ST60 is a pure movie theater experience, especially when you dim those lights. The es7500 seems more like a family enjoyment, kid friendly TV while the ST60 is a no games, straight up theater experience with extra smart features that really do not work well at all. I will say from what I have seen so far the 3d is quite good on the es7500 though.

Well decisions, decisions, decisions......One has to eventually go back. On the ST60 I do have a 2 year BB warranty on it that would cover burn in so I would be okay for a while if the IR gets worse and refuses to disspapear.

I obviously know what everyone's decision here would be but just thought I would put this out there for people on the fence about which technology to go with or what would be best for them in their situation.

If I have never seen the ST60 in my home I would have been okay with the Sammy LED, but I kind of got spoiled now and can see with my own 2 eyes what people mean when they say plasma's have one of the best, if not the best pq's of any TV technology right now and will only be outdone by a full array LED or OLED in the near future.

Eric, I hear what your saying, I'm in the same boat as you, as I'm considering the F7100 for the same reason. My boys are 8 & 10. One thing i have found though is that by using the sidecut zoom, and adjusting so the cartoon network logo is not on the screen, they dont miss any of the picture, and could care less. I have only had mine since Saturday night, and the only ir i have seen is when i pull up the slide show and get ready to run, for the first 15 seconds I can make out a word on the gray slide but then it disappears. Also, last night there were multiple movies on stars & showtime, where the panel actually looked like it was off during black scenes, I mean pitch black, the picture on this tv is unreal. If it were me, I would stick with the Panny Plasma, especially if you have the best buy coverage, whats the worst that can happen, you may have some ir, and if you do get burn in, best buys warranty covers that. Unless you are in a super bright room, it shouldnt be a contest. When you consider that a 55 inch Sammy F7100 is 1800 plus tax, and the 60 inch panny is 1499 plus tax, you can buy the warranty, enjoy your tv, have a bigger tv, and a much better picture. I just cant get over how much better this tv is, then my 2 year old gt25 model, its literally night and day.
post #4000 of 12359
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Originally Posted by Cuda1169 View Post

I would also include peace of mind. Many, like myself, value strong pq but when I purchased my first HDTV, I purchased a LCD. I really wanted plasma at the time but the panel was going to be my family's main viewing panel. I was concerned about burn in from certain channels and video games so LCD became the clear choice during my cost/benefit analysis. When I refinished my basement to include a home theater space, I did so with a large plasma panel in mind.

That's a valid point for sure it you are gaming go lcd for sure
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Originally Posted by Cuda1169 View Post

@Eric3316, I understand what you are going through. Until my son was completely out of the house, I purposely maintained a LCD household. Now the LCD is upstairs and I maintain strict control over how the downstairs plasma is utilized. I do think the ST60 will get more IR resistant as the panel ages, this was the case with my ST50 as well. If this is your family’s main viewing panel, you may want to sacrifice pq for peace of mind, at least in the short-run. You definitely have a tough decision to make.
It it's a tough decision to make and keep asking myself if I am crazy to send back the ST60.

I really can't complain though. I guess I am quite lucky to at least be in the position I am in. I always try to put these things into perspective although it sometimes is hard and get carried away. We are making decisions which 60" TV we should keep or how big of a TV can I buy while there are many people who don't know if they can afford to eat tonight.

I hope everyone here realizes how lucky we are that we have time in our life to let materialistic things like this stress us out.
post #4002 of 12359
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Originally Posted by bucknuts07 View Post

Eric, I hear what your saying, I'm in the same boat as you, as I'm considering the F7100 for the same reason. My boys are 8 & 10. One thing i have found though is that by using the sidecut zoom, and adjusting so the cartoon network logo is not on the screen, they dont miss any of the picture, and could care less. I have only had mine since Saturday night, and the only ir i have seen is when i pull up the slide show and get ready to run, for the first 15 seconds I can make out a word on the gray slide but then it disappears. Also, last night there were multiple movies on stars & showtime, where the panel actually looked like it was off during black scenes, I mean pitch black, the picture on this tv is unreal. If it were me, I would stick with the Panny Plasma, especially if you have the best buy coverage, whats the worst that can happen, you may have some ir, and if you do get burn in, best buys warranty covers that. Unless you are in a super bright room, it shouldnt be a contest. When you consider that a 55 inch Sammy F7100 is 1800 plus tax, and the 60 inch panny is 1499 plus tax, you can buy the warranty, enjoy your tv, have a bigger tv, and a much better picture. I just cant get over how much better this tv is, then my 2 year old gt25 model, its literally night and day.
Price isn't really a concern. I got unreal deals on these. I paid a couple hundred less for the 60es7500 then people are paying for their 60ST60 and paid even less then that for the 60ST60. My 60ST60 cost me less then the 50".
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Why not just maintain your plasma? Invest in Disney WoW and run pixel flipper once a night every week. That should take care of any long term IR problems you may have.
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Price isn't really a concern. I got unreal deals on these. I paid a couple hundred less for the 60es7500 then people are paying for their 60ST60 and paid even less then that for the 60ST60. My 60ST60 cost me less then the 50".

So does your 2 year old care if you adjust the zoom so the logo isnt on the screen all day ? From watching normal tv, you are going to have no problems with burn in, but I would just utilize the zoom feature and when your watching a movie or show yourself, just set to full picture. One button push is not a hassle , atleast to me. I know personally from having other led tvs that the bleeding, flashlighting, and especially on the Sammy, the dimming of the picture in all modes except movie I believe would drive me nuts. Who knows though, maybe I should consider a led more, I just dont see what worry you have if you have a warranty that covers the one possible downfall you mention ?
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I wouldn't even bother with zoom. Even stubborn IR will be removed with something like pixel flipper. Both El Matadurr and I had stubborn IR from game ui that was removed with it.
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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

Why not just maintain your plasma? Invest in Disney WoW and run pixel flipper once a night every week. That should take care of any long term IR problems you may have.
Having one child is enough right now. Lol

When I got bad IR with the word menu, after running the pixel flipper all night I still saw reminants in the morning believe it or not. Eventually it did go away but thought at least a night of that should have wiped it clean! I guess I have to spend a few nights with the LED and see if it is something I can live with. That damn ST60 spoiled the heck out of me. A few months ago I would have been doing a back flips if someone told me I can get a 60es7500 in my price range.
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

I am finding the more hours I put on the TV the more IR I am getting. Most of clears up pretty quick but some has hung around for days. In the first 100 hours I did not notice anything. Now more and more things can be seen from menu items and such. Fox Sports logo has hung around for a few days. I have about 200 hours on my panel currently.

BB is currently out of stock of the 60ST60 so would need to wait to get another one to see if it is something with my panel. I was offered a Samsung LED floor model 60es7500 for $1,300 or a NIB es7100 for $1,100. I am seriously considering the 7500 but keep looking at those blacks on the ST60 and then changing my mind. But then I see the Fox Sports logo shining through other shows and then I go back to the LED mind.

This has seriously been torture buying a TV! My wife is ready to divorce me. I have said this was the last TV for the last 8 TV's I have tried in my house.

same happend to me on my ST50 so i returned it... the more i use it the more prone to IR
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What type of battery do the glasses use? How can I remove the cover to replace the battery when it dies?
post #4009 of 12359
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Originally Posted by smeg36 View Post

I had the same problem with my Harmony remote. Go to the Devices tab, not Activities tab, find your tv, and there's a button that says Troubleshoot. From the next menu choose TV responds to some commands either too many times or too occasionally. On the next menu change it from 3 to 2. That solved it for me.

Perfect, thx, I'll try this when I get home tonight !
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Originally Posted by biggweeziehd View Post



Nothing that says trouble shooting. Can someone please do the process of this fix and post. I think menus may have changed since y'all set up your remotes

That's the web site - you need to use the desktop app.
post #4011 of 12359
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Originally Posted by ryansebiz View Post

What type of battery do the glasses use? How can I remove the cover to replace the battery when it dies?

They use a CR2025 battery. It's under the nose piece. You pull down on it, and it'll pop off.
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Originally Posted by smeg36 View Post

They use a CR2025 battery. It's under the nose piece. You pull down on it, and it'll pop off.
You can get 5 pack for less then $5 on Amazon.

They are more expensive in the stores. I would be surprised if it was the battery. I would first take one out and put it in the other and see if it is the battery or glasses. Or possibly user error?
post #4013 of 12359
I just used the glasses I'm having problems with to do a bit of 3d gaming. When I was done, I powered the tv off, then pushed the button on the glasses once. The led flashed 3 times quickly (indicating it has powered off), then started double flashing every 4 seconds. That was a half hour ago, and it's still doing it. Even if I didn't shut it off, they're supposed to automatically turn off after 5 minutes of not receiving a signal from the tv. I just read in the manual how to change to registration mode, and re-registered it with my tv. Hopefully that'll fix it.
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Why are people waiting to purchase the TV from this store anyway? Do they have an incredible price or something?

I have a few reasons personally:

1. Free delivery, unpackaging, testing.
2. If I want to exchange the set for another one or replace this one they will come and pick it up, free of charge and deliver a replacement/exchange at the same time.
3. Video Only is about 15 minutes away.
4. 88 dollar 2 or 3 year warranty (forget which)
5. I have a credit card. While I really limit using credit, I want a new TV and 18 months no interest makes it something like 55 a month to pay it off in that promotional time. (Paid 500 cash)

And I'm still curious - Any advantage to an expensive Bell'O wallmount over a monoprice ultra thin wall mount that's 24 dollars shipped?
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Last night I went to our local BB and saw the ST60 for the first time. Loved it! BB also had an Panny LED that I also loved, the TC-L50E60. Price is the same. The ST60 has 3d but I'm not interested in viewing 3d. Both are smart tvs and both have AR. The L50E60 was playing a different video than any other tv. Wow, just loved this video and wish I could have watched it on the ST60 as well. I'm torn and wondering which would be a better buy? My tv viewing is 70% cable tv and 30% movies. I am a PC gamer and will continue to use my excellent LCD computer monitor for this purpose. Thanks for any advice!
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Amazon says they are backordered 1-2 months on this set. That and you can't price negotiate unless you are price matching. Since I didn't know how the lag would feel to me, getting it from a local store seemed easier for a potential return.
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Originally Posted by smeg36 View Post

Is anyone else having problems with their 3d glasses? One of my two pairs keeps blinking twice every 4 seconds. I can't turn it on or off, or connect it to the tv. I have to pull the battery every time I use it. I'm not positive, but I think it's the same pair doing it every time. Is there a way to reset them or anything? I read through the manual, but it didn't really address my problem. It says the flashing means 2d mode is selected, which it isn't. It also never shuts off automatically. It's been blinking since last night.

This happens to me sometimes too. The first time I used the glasses when testing 3D content, when I was done I turned the TV off and hit the button on the glasses and put them away. When I woke up the next morning I found that the glasses were still blinking, and when I tried to watch 3D content they wouldn't sync with the TV. I had to pop the battery out to "reset" them.

Now, maybe I am wrong about this, but I don't think you have to turn the glasses off, I think they turn off automatically when you exit 3D content for more than a few seconds, or turn the TV off. It may be possible that when I put the glasses away and pressed the button, instead of turning off I actually turned them back on and they spent the night trying to reconnect with the TV. Why they don't stop trying to connect after a few minutes, or why it couldn't break that cycle once the TV was actually on and in 3D mode is beyond me, but that is my only theory as to what went wrong.
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Originally Posted by ryansebiz View Post

That's the web site - you need to use the desktop app.

Ok try that when I get home thanks to all that commented!
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Originally Posted by IDRick View Post

Last night I went to our local BB and saw the ST60 for the first time. Loved it! BB also had an Panny LED that I also loved, the TC-L50E60. Price is the same. The ST60 has 3d but I'm not interested in viewing 3d. Both are smart tvs and both have AR. The L50E60 was playing a different video than any other tv. Wow, just loved this video and wish I could have watched it on the ST60 as well. I'm torn and wondering which would be a better buy? My tv viewing is 70% cable tv and 30% movies. I am a PC gamer and will continue to use my excellent LCD computer monitor for this purpose. Thanks for any advice!

Just read one review on Amazon where they mentioned high input lag, no IPS panel so off angle viewing isn't great and video processing wasn't all that great but cable TV wasn't bad. Granted that's based off of one consumer review so who knows. I can't think of any reason to bet against the ST60 right now to be honest. An LED that's the same price as a plasma kind of turns me off from it since they're usually a bit pricier, even within the same company (IE: Samsung LED price Vs Plasma price) with the plasma still performing a bit better in key areas like blacks and contrast. Maybe I'm being weird and paranoid but it's low price point for an LED when it has a same priced plasma makes me think it was put out by Panasonic as a entry level/mid-range LED. Which I suppose the ST60 is as well but performs a lot better than one would expect out of a mid-range tv.
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Just an update from my set. I'm loving her overall. I do experience IR from the TNT logo, watching the NBA playoffs. I can see that dang logo on normal content while watching other channels. I'm not real concerned with it however. I'll run wow pixel flipper for awhile this afternoon and see what happens.

Other than that I'm thrilled with my new 60'! smile.gif Almost can't wait until I can get her calibrated. lol smile.gif

Take care all
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