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How is the Quality of the picture for Netflix or Vuze/ bit torrent files, boxee app's? Especially on the 60 or 65" (I want the 65")

The majority of my viewing is HD cable and the ones above.

I would use Blu-ray only on the rare occasion
post #4442 of 12344
On my 65" HD cable looks pretty bad, I'm hoping it's my signal quality but the move from 42 to 65" really started revealing it. Netflix looks great for the most part although I've only tried a movie so far, any streaming is limited to your connection. I would say Netflix gets to about 80-90% of the quality of the 'enthusiast' mastroka files I view on my HTPC.

Honestly though if you're not using blu-ray's or transparent mastroka encodes at least 20% of the time you use your set I would opt for the 60" instead of the 65", unless you sit a fair distance back. From my 6.5' main position (THX recommended experience), a lot of artifacts are revealed when watching poorer sources. I don't necessarily regret the 65" but it definitely makes me see pixels/artifacts so much easier. I don't regret it because my second row of seating is a fair ways back.
post #4443 of 12344
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Originally Posted by KJ911TT

I just picked up my 60" ST60 this past Friday in Toronto.

Don't buy from BB or Futureshop...big time ripoff.
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Originally Posted by CarguyHere View Post

Where did you buy it? What price did you get?

Do you know what the 65" would have been?

Yeah ! Where's it @ in Tdot, price wise, let us know pls, thx smile.gif
post #4444 of 12344
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

I actually found while my Samsung pn60e7000 had a sharp picture it had more of a cinema look to it while I feel the ST60 produces more of a digital image.

Anyway, my ST60 went bye bye today. It was a struggle deciding what to do and which TV to keep. I plugged in my ST60 in yesterday to remove my accounts and seeing the Fox Sports logo still there just annoyed me again! Anyway, I did love the pq when that baby powered up again!

I will still definitley recommend the ST60 to people though. How can you not.

I feel your pain. My ST60 went byebye last night and I was so depressed. Firing it up and seeing the CoD BO2 hud was the nail in the coffin for me. BB didn't have anymore ST60s available so I went for the f8000 Sammy with a great price match.

I'm finding that I don't feel as excited waiting on the F8000 to arrive as I did the ST60... especially when you factor in the price difference.

Fingers crossed for good results.
post #4445 of 12344
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Originally Posted by systemlayers View Post

On my 65" HD cable looks pretty bad, I'm hoping it's my signal quality but the move from 42 to 65" really started revealing it. Netflix looks great for the most part although I've only tried a movie so far, any streaming is limited to your connection. I would say Netflix gets to about 80-90% of the quality of the 'enthusiast' mastroka files I view on my HTPC.

Oh man, going from 42" to 65", at that viewing distance, of course you'll see a big (huge) difference (in a bad way) compared to before. Clean HD content (BD etc.) should look mint from that viewing distance on a 65" cool.gif

But with today's HD cable, not so much (again depends on your provider and the content you're watching.

I'm sure you'll get used to that 65".. Cause you're absolutely right - go big or go home biggrin.gifwink.gif

Ever though of adding a Darbee Darblet or Cobalt to your setup ? cool.gif
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I have a question! whats different between "window white square" and "with all-black background" at this post?
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Here are some numbers I promised in the "Panasonic ST60 received" article:

Dymamic profile: 100 % full-screen white = 54 cd/m2 --- window white square = 135 cd/m2 (257 cd/m2 with all-black background)
True Cinema profile: 100 % full-screen white = 56 cd/m2 --- window white square = 97 cd/m2 (106 cd/m2 with all-black background)

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/flatforums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4937&p=6718
post #4447 of 12344
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Originally Posted by IDRick View Post

ESPNU (football and BB), fox college sports (hockey), Hunting shows, military channel, some religious programming on SD digital cable. I have several HD channels but these stations are not available in HD. I would be sitting about 7 to 8 ft away from the screen.

First of all I would tell you to start watching some better shows! tongue.gif Just kidding.

IMO if you are watching that much SD (75%+), I would not get another TV. About the only show I watch on SD is Trailer Park Boys and while I don't mind it on my 55" LCD, I could easily be pleased watching it on a 24". Pretty much any quality HDTV these days is for HDTV, Blu-Ray, 3D, etc. SD is a thing of the past just like the displays it was meant to be shown on, so if you can't get away from SD programming then really no reason to get another TV unless the other 25% of TV watching you do is going to be 3D movies, Blu-Ray, etc.

Of course you don't have to listen to me, you could get the TV and watch only SD for all I care, I just don't know if there would be much benefit to buying a TV with top notch qualities that you'll not use very often. Though admittedly, I wish the Military Channel was offered in HD.
post #4448 of 12344
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Originally Posted by GunmetalR56 View Post

I feel your pain. My ST60 went byebye last night and I was so depressed. Firing it up and seeing the CoD BO2 hud was the nail in the coffin for me. BB didn't have anymore ST60s available so I went for the f8000 Sammy with a great price match.

I'm finding that I don't feel as excited waiting on the F8000 to arrive as I did the ST60... especially when you factor in the price difference.

Fingers crossed for good results.
Let me know what you think. I think I might just miss the ST60 because of all the hype around it right now. It did have a great picture though. In the daytime, my es7500 has what appears to be blacker black to the eye. Side viewing is not great though.

What does feel good is I have been able to play Nascar races from my DVR for my son the past 3 days for hours and not have to worry about the Fox Sports logo stuck on my screen for days because of it.

Night time viewing on the es7500 is obviously not as good but if you put it in standard mode where micro dimming works and lower the brightness nighttime viewing is not bad at all and the es8000 has better dimming then my es7500.
post #4449 of 12344
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Originally Posted by tuffluck View Post

First of all I would tell you to start watching some better shows! tongue.gif Just kidding.

IMO if you are watching that much SD (75%+), I would not get another TV. About the only show I watch on SD is Trailer Park Boys and while I don't mind it on my 55" LCD, I could easily be pleased watching it on a 24". Pretty much any quality HDTV these days is for HDTV, Blu-Ray, 3D, etc. SD is a thing of the past just like the displays it was meant to be shown on, so if you can't get away from SD programming then really no reason to get another TV unless the other 25% of TV watching you do is going to be 3D movies, Blu-Ray, etc.

Of course you don't have to listen to me, you could get the TV and watch only SD for all I care, I just don't know if there would be much benefit to buying a TV with top notch qualities that you'll not use very often. Though admittedly, I wish the Military Channel was offered in HD.

I should have been more clear. My tv viewing is ~75% HD in fall/winter and 90% HD in spring/summer. I can easily justify a new HDTV. Just making sure I can continue to watch my beloved Minnesota Gopher hockey, Boise State football, and some other programming that is only available in SD. I have visited the st60 at BB twice and seriously considering it. If needed, I could always watch the SD programming on the LG LCD via component connections although would prefer use a single tv.
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It won't look so bad that you have to turn it off, but don't expect anything remarkable with SD content. I think you should have no complaints watching it on just one TV.
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Originally Posted by IDRick View Post

I should have been more clear. My tv viewing is ~75% HD in fall/winter and 90% HD in spring/summer. I can easily justify a new HDTV. Just making sure I can continue to watch my beloved Minnesota Gopher hockey, Boise State football, and some other programming that is only available in SD. I have visited the st60 at BB twice and seriously considering it. If needed, I could always watch the SD programming on the LG LCD via component connections although would prefer use a single tv.

I say go for it ! biggrin.gif

You're gonna fall in love with that ST60 when you get it home and outta the big box stores lights.. Can't go wrong with this set ! cool.gif

Hopefully your hockey (I love hockey so I totally feel ya!) becomes available in HD within the next couple years..
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I miss Dynamic Contrast on the Samsung. ST60 looks awesome with blu-ray but sometimes it looks too dark for TV drama (e.g. Hawaii 5 O, New Girl)
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Originally Posted by IDRick View Post

I should have been more clear. My tv viewing is ~75% HD in fall/winter and 90% HD in spring/summer. I can easily justify a new HDTV. Just making sure I can continue to watch my beloved Minnesota Gopher hockey, Boise State football, and some other programming that is only available in SD. I have visited the st60 at BB twice and seriously considering it. If needed, I could always watch the SD programming on the LG LCD via component connections although would prefer use a single tv.
this review says SD is pretty good http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1366730214
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I ordered the Monoprice 8588 articulating wall mount (rated to 165 lbs.) To mount my 60" ST60, But I just realized that to get the TV positioned where I want it on the wall I will only be able to hit 2 studs (4 screws) not 3 studs (six screws). I don't know what is reccomended, but will this be OK?
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

I ordered the Monoprice 8588 articulating wall mount (rated to 165 lbs.) To mount my 60" ST60, But I just realized that to get the TV positioned where I want it on the wall I will only be able to hit 2 studs (4 screws) not 3 studs (six screws). I don't know what is reccomended, but will this be OK?
2 studs....four screws....that thing ain't going nowhere.
post #4456 of 12344
Are there any pics of the rear of the ST60 anywhere? Google search only brought up a side view of the inputs. I'm wanting to see how the mounting holes look. I'm thinking about this TV stand/mount http://www.wayfair.com/Transdeco-International-35-65-Flat-Panel-TV-Stand-TD600B-TD600ES-TDI1059.html and just want to make sure it would work.
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

I ordered the Monoprice 8588 articulating wall mount (rated to 165 lbs.) To mount my 60" ST60, But I just realized that to get the TV positioned where I want it on the wall I will only be able to hit 2 studs (4 screws) not 3 studs (six screws). I don't know what is reccomended, but will this be OK?
No problem. Just use some long screws. If you have 2" of screw in the stud, 4 of them will easily hold the tv. Make sure you use wood screws with a coarse thread.
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Originally Posted by Tim Akin View Post

this review says SD is pretty good http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1366730214

no, SD is pretty horrible. Upscaler sucks. Color is ok, but resolution is horrible. (tested with SD TV channel, I think DVD will look fine)
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

PCM is accurate.

Is it true PCM only provides a 2.0 signal? I have my 60ST60 connected to a 5.1 sound bar using a digital optical cable. Is there any way to keep the 5.1 signal if I pass through the TV? Or do I have to connect my cable box and boxee box directly to the sound bar? (the former option would be ideal so that I would only have one cable going to the sound bar)
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Originally Posted by jasonisgreen View Post

Is it true PCM only provides a 2.0 signal? I have my 60ST60 connected to a 5.1 sound bar using a digital optical cable. Is there any way to keep the 5.1 signal if I pass through the TV? Or do I have to connect my cable box and boxee box directly to the sound bar? (the former option would be ideal so that I would only have one cable going to the sound bar)

You will only get 2.0 from the optical cable except for OTA sources, I just connect directly to my reciever thru optical
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

You will only get 2.0 from the optical cable except for OTA sources, I just connect directly to my reciever thru optical

That's what I was afraid of. I got a good quality soundbar because I wanted to avoid the need for an AVR. The soundbar has only 2 optical inputs. What are my options if I want 3 or 4 devices connected? Are there splitters or switches?
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Originally Posted by jasonisgreen View Post

That's what I was afraid of. I got a good quality soundbar because I wanted to avoid the need for an AVR. The soundbar has only 2 optical inputs. What are my options if I want 3 or 4 devices connected? Are there splitters or switches?

If you want 5.1 out of each of the inputs I don't see alot of options, don't know if ther is an optical splitter or not. For me I get 5.1 out of my tivo, only two channel out of internal tv sources. Get the full lossless audio out of my bluray player/reciever. What other sources do you have ?
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

If you want 5.1 out of each of the inputs I don't see alot of options, don't know if ther is an optical splitter or not. For me I get 5.1 out of my tivo, only two channel out of internal tv sources. Get the full lossless audio out of my bluray player/reciever. What other sources do you have ?

Cable box, Boxee box, PS3, xbox 360
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Originally Posted by jasonisgreen View Post

Cable box, Boxee box, PS3, xbox 360

Wow that;s quite the av suite smile.gif I really don't think there is a huge difference between 5.1 and 2.0 simulated on a soundbar but just my opinion. What soundbar do you have ?
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Wow that;s quite the av suite smile.gif I really don't think there is a huge difference between 5.1 and 2.0 simulated on a soundbar but just my opinion. What soundbar do you have ?

MartinLogan Motion Vision sound bar. Absolutely love it. Best of all, no wiring or AVR needed!
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Originally Posted by jasonisgreen View Post

MartinLogan Motion Vision sound bar. Absolutely love it. Best of all, no wiring or AVR needed!

Nice !
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

I ordered the Monoprice 8588 articulating wall mount (rated to 165 lbs.) To mount my 60" ST60, But I just realized that to get the TV positioned where I want it on the wall I will only be able to hit 2 studs (4 screws) not 3 studs (six screws). I don't know what is reccomended, but will this be OK?

You only need two studs. I bought the same mount and it works perfectly. A three-stud wall mount would be enormous.
post #4468 of 12344
I am really close to pulling the trigger on the ST60. The only thing stopping me is the concern about my living room having too much ambient light during the day. I do most of my tv viewing at night, but here in Tampa it does stay light outside until like 830-900PM during the summer. I have a three section sliding glass door that goes out to a lanai from the living room. When I open the blinds it definitely lets in a lot of light at times (more so in the morning than evening.)

I am coming from a Samsung 61A750 LED DLP. It gets washed out very easily if the room is too bright. Will the ST60 perform better for me in that scenario? Does the ST60 put out more light? I have never owned a plasma. I am well aware of the pros, deeper blacks, better contrast, etc. But the performance in rooms with ambient light gives me a little pause on pulling the trigger. Help relieve my conerns!

THANKS
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Originally Posted by jasonisgreen View Post

Is it true PCM only provides a 2.0 signal?
No, that's not true. A PCM signal may have more than 2 channels, in general.
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Originally Posted by jasonisgreen View Post

That's what I was afraid of. I got a good quality soundbar because I wanted to avoid the need for an AVR. The soundbar has only 2 optical inputs. What are my options if I want 3 or 4 devices connected? Are there splitters or switches?

You can get an optical splitter, they're not real cheap though if you want one that actually works.

http://www.amazon.com/Control-Audio-Selector-Switcher-Splitter/dp/B003C15798/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1368646777&sr=8-7&keywords=optical+splitter

You can get a generic one for a few dollars but they get pretty bad reviews.

http://www.amazon.com/C2G-27027-Toslink-Digital-Splitter/dp/B0002344GG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1368646777&sr=8-1&keywords=optical+splitter
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