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Originally Posted by Tim Akin View Post

Thanks for the responses but it may not matter. I just called to verify the ST was there and it wasn't. She said it was coming in on UPS!!!OMG!!!

Wow. Bummers. Well, at least you know that most of the pieces should arrive in the same box! eek.gif
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Thanks for the advice. I am like 95% there on pulling the trigger.
post #4563 of 12344
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Originally Posted by HD2Blu View Post

I could be your twin, I live in Tampa, most of my viewing is at night, I have the TV next to a sliding glass door....etc...etc...etc....I bought the 60ST60 3 weeks ago...you will have to pry this TV out of my hands AFTER I'm dead. I did a TON of research on Sammy LEDs, GT50, VT50 - I can't say enough good things about this TV and I know it has faults. I also know NO TV is perfect or perfect for everyone. You have to get it yourself and decide if it is right for you. All I can say is I think it is definitely worth the effort of getting it in your house and seeing for yourself. If you don't like it, then you will have peace of mind that you tried an awesome TV and it wasn't right for you. Good luck. Let us know what you decide (I think you'll get it or you wouldn't have asked all of us 'fanboys"

Thanks for the advice. I am almost there on pulling the trigger! Just can't beat the value for the price.
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

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Originally Posted by tuffluck View Post

Just curious, I've had these since 2008, but it doesn't say anything about "high speed" on them. Should I get new ones?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002L5R78/ref=oh_details_o09_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

You'll need high speed if you are planning on using 3d
There is no need to change unless you're having trouble. Doing 3D could put you over the bandwidth edge, but it might not. Older cables can perform like those rated for high speed, it's just that they have never been tested. In any case, none of them are individually tested.

I'd say use them unless you start having problems with strange handshakes. or other more obvious HDMI related issues. I changed my working high speed cables (the short ones) just to have more space and less strain on the AVR's HDMI ports. Basically it was a cosmetic change that makes the back end of our rack look better, but it seems to be working. wink.gif
post #4565 of 12344
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

There is no need to change unless you're having trouble. Doing 3D could put you over the bandwidth edge, but it might not. Older cables can perform like those rated for high speed, it's just that they have never been tested. In any case, none of them are individually tested.

I'd say use them unless you start having problems with strange handshakes. or other more obvious HDMI related issues. I changed my working high speed cables (the short ones) just to have more space and less strain on the AVR's HDMI ports. Basically it was a cosmetic change that makes the back end of our rack look better, but it seems to be working. wink.gif

I could do so much with that last sentence biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Heywould View Post

I just ran into an issue with contrast using those cables from the same place and the same vintage. (I posted the details in a thread I started in this forum) long story short, I had an issue with contrast, changing to a newer cable fixed the issue, i had 6 or 7 cables from that time and place and they all did it, they all said high speed too..

I would test your contrast using the disney WOW disk if you have access to it, if youre interested that is.. 99% of the time the cables shouldnt matter but in my case they made all the difference in the world..
I agree. biggrin.gif

It's a case by case situation. I've done all (4) our extended family installations with 28 AWG high speed Monoprice HDMI cables and never had a problem. I just made a cosmetic change to very short 36 AWG HDMI cables and that seems to have worked too. But, at the first sign of strange behavior, I would start with testing the HDMI cables. wink.gif
Edited by htwaits - 5/16/13 at 12:33pm
post #4567 of 12344
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

No problem. Just use some long screws. If you have 2" of screw in the stud, 4 of them will easily hold the tv. Make sure you use wood screws with a coarse thread.

I have the same issue. The back of the stand that attaches to the wall is only just wide enough to go over 2 16" OC studs on each end. I'm just using the screws it came with, they are at least 2" into the wall. I also to be paranoid, I used walldogs with washers on all the slots for screws going inward. I'm using the cheetahmount articulating mount.
post #4568 of 12344
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Originally Posted by Tim Akin View Post

Good news....email from Sears says the ST60 is ready for pickup. smile.gif Bad news.....we're leaving in the morning and gonna be out of town all weekend mad.gif

I wasn't planning on running the slides but since we're not going to be watching the TV anyway, thought about letting them run while away. Anybody see any problem with doing this. No one will be here to tend to it though. Only thing I worry about if the electricity goes out and comes back on will the ST power back up or stay off I wonder....will have to check that out I guess. Just want to run the slides to age the panel a little, not so I can follow DNice setting guide really.

My advice is just don't hook up any input source. I ran the slides and woke up one night to find the power went out and the cable feed had been switched on so it was running a screensaver. I freaked out. But no problems.
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post


I could do so much with that last sentence biggrin.gif
smile.gif
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Originally Posted by BruceOrlando View Post

Wow. Bummers. Well, at least you know that most of the pieces should arrive in the same box! eek.gif
Haha yup! I will be opening the box before I leave with it for sure.
post #4571 of 12344
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Originally Posted by Heywould View Post

I know my issue was unusual but the only problem I noticed was in the contrast, there is no telling what was happening with other things.. I used these cables for my ROKU, BD player computer and from TV to AVR,, they all (when swaped) didnt fix this issue. who knows what else..
The only subtle problems relating to HDMI cables that I've ever read about have to do with causing excessive handshakes. Otherwise, it's very obvious when a HDMI cable isn't working.

Many times it's a poor HDMI connection somewhere in the signal path that triggers the handshake problems. That's one reason why the cables for the new HDMI 2.0 component standards will have positive locks on the connectors.
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Originally Posted by tuffluck View Post

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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Im defintely not on the expensive cable bandwagon, wasnt suggesting you buy soemthing expensive at ll just more up to date but ultimately thats your decsion

It's cool, I didn't take offense to what you were saying. I just wonder if there is any way to tell if the cable I have will do the job properly? Even if it works, the quality may not be up to par with the latest. Any other input from others?
Digital signals aren't like analog in that they work until they don't work. There is no gradual decline in picture quality.

Your investment in HDMI cables is so small, and the replacement cost of 28 AWG high speed HDMI cables from Monoprice is also so low, that I can't see it making a difference. Do what ever makes you comfortable. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Heywould View Post

Those are what I got to replace my Amaon cables (blue riggers) around 5 or 6 $ each (6 foot)
Those are nice cables. Well worth the small amount they want for them.
post #4574 of 12344
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

There is no need to change unless you're having trouble. Doing 3D could put you over the bandwidth edge, but it might not. Older cables can perform like those rated for high speed, it's just that they have never been tested. In any case, none of them are individually tested.

I'd say use them unless you start having problems with strange handshakes. or other more obvious HDMI related issues. I changed my working high speed cables (the short ones) just to have more space and less strain on the AVR's HDMI ports. Basically it was a cosmetic change that makes the back end of our rack look better, but it seems to be working. wink.gif

Thanks. I went ahead and bought 3 new ones just to be safe. A rather inexpensive purchase when compared to the TV and such, so no big deal. I also went with the Blue Riggers.
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Originally Posted by Blu_One View Post

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Originally Posted by Tim Akin View Post

Good news....email from Sears says the ST60 is ready for pickup. smile.gif Bad news.....we're leaving in the morning and gonna be out of town all weekend mad.gif

I wasn't planning on running the slides but since we're not going to be watching the TV anyway, thought about letting them run while away. Anybody see any problem with doing this. No one will be here to tend to it though. Only thing I worry about if the electricity goes out and comes back on will the ST power back up or stay off I wonder....will have to check that out I guess. Just want to run the slides to age the panel a little, not so I can follow DNice setting guide really.

I would do it and save some time !

Could someone come by once or twice to check it out while you're away ?
I don't think the ST60 would pick up where it left off, so leaving it alone all weekend would be risky if there is a chance of power failure.
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I don't think the ST60 would pick up where it left off, so leaving it alone all weekend would be risky if there is a chance of power failure.

It absolutely does not pick up where it left off, it goes back to the home screen where you will have to manually start over.

I don't think it's a good idea to leave unattended for more than about 8 hours. Luckily I work from home so without even trying I will catch a glimpse of the slides changing every hour or so. Nighttime is a little different when I sleep, but I trust it wink.gif
post #4577 of 12344
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Originally Posted by BruceOrlando View Post

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Originally Posted by ryansebiz View Post

Did you cut out the entire UPC/serial codes from the box and mail them in with the paperwork?

I got my Pen yesterday as well. I cut off the entire while label and sent in the entire label:

Ouch, said the box. I've found I can use a utility knife or any knife with a sharp point to make a very light, just-scratching-the-surface incision in the box all the way around the label. Then you pry up one corner and start peeling. It comes off in one piece, leaving the box hardly any worse for wear, and it's like a piece of paper, easier for mailing.
post #4578 of 12344
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Originally Posted by tuffluck View Post

Had a tornado warning last night so the TV got shut down for about 3 hours while the storm passed. I have a surge protector, but the wifey got too scared and turned it off anyway while I was gone. Better safe than sorry...

Tomorrow at 7pm is my 100 hour mark! It has really been a long time to endure this process. I haven't been that anxious, but 100 hours is a long time when you realize it's 4+ days...
Surge protectors won't stop lightning. The best protection against lightning is to disconnect from power. wink.gif

The surge protector does protect against the surge when lost power is restored most of the time.
post #4579 of 12344
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Originally Posted by tuffluck View Post

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

There is no need to change unless you're having trouble. Doing 3D could put you over the bandwidth edge, but it might not. Older cables can perform like those rated for high speed, it's just that they have never been tested. In any case, none of them are individually tested.

I'd say use them unless you start having problems with strange handshakes. or other more obvious HDMI related issues. I changed my working high speed cables (the short ones) just to have more space and less strain on the AVR's HDMI ports. Basically it was a cosmetic change that makes the back end of our rack look better, but it seems to be working. wink.gif

Thanks. I went ahead and bought 3 new ones just to be safe. A rather inexpensive purchase when compared to the TV and such, so no big deal. I also went with the Blue Riggers.
They are excellent. Try to make the connections as free of stress as possible.
post #4580 of 12344
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Originally Posted by AdamHD View Post

I got my free touch pen in the mail today. That was fast! Only took a little over 2 weeks. Now the question is.... What the heck do I do with this thing?... wink.gif

anyone know if there is a way to get the free pen in Canada?
post #4581 of 12344
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Originally Posted by jasonisgreen View Post

anyone know if there is a way to get the free pen in Canada?

Not here, as always wink.gif
post #4582 of 12344
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

Ouch, said the box. I've found I can use a utility knife or any knife with a sharp point to make a very light, just-scratching-the-surface incision in the box all the way around the label. Then you pry up one corner and start peeling. It comes off in one piece, leaving the box hardly any worse for wear, and it's like a piece of paper, easier for mailing.


Yeah, I chugged it to over-excitemen when I first got the set. smile.gif

Luckily I didn't need the box -- and did remove some of the "bonus" cardboard backing before mailing it all in.
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I'm very close to pulling the trigger 50ST60, but I still can't get a general consensus on whether or not plasmas (in general) are safe to use as a computer monitor/media center. Would definitely appreciate some advice in this regard.

I'm currently using an older Dell laptop (Studio 15) in my bedroom paired with a 27" Samsung LCD from '08 (not sure of the model). HDMI out from the laptop, RCA out from the tv to a Lepai mini-amp and Paradigm mini-monitors. Laptop handles 720p videos fine, and I've run 1080p before with no issues (albeit on a 42" LCD). I'm trying to scale this up for my living room, but I'm not sure how well, if at all, this setup would traslate to a 50" plasma.

Would the following be feasible w/out any additional upgrades?
1. Dell Studio 15 laptop HDMI out to 50ST60
2. Optical out from TV to Onkyo 5.1 receiver (older model, no HDMI out)
3. Receiver out to Boston Acoustics CR8s, CR5s, and CR2 center, and sub

I'm also concerned about potential for burn-in due to static images (task bar, desktop background, etc), but I'd primarily be using it as a media center.
post #4584 of 12344
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Originally Posted by Tim Akin View Post

I'm not sure what I will do. I need a web cam so I could check in on her, if something looked wrong, call somebody to go over and shut her down. Hum, I wonder if I could use iPad to do that someway with Skype or FaceTime haha

Yeah good call on that ! I'm sure there's somethihg out there fairly easy to link up to it, then have somone close by on standy for the plasma wink.gif


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Originally Posted by wirelessroute View Post

Mine is the slim and its loud as crap. My brother inlaw has the same model and his was so annoying he got rid of it, LOL
Both of us storing them in closed cabinets. Mine does have vent in the back of the entertainment console.


I have the non glossy one on the right
Wonder if I can add a notebook cooler to keep is quieter....hmmm?

Slim shoudn't be that loud.. confused.gif
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I cant comment on all of your questions but I can say that I have my ST60 set as my main computer monitor. I have it set to 720P (ati vid card) because the native resolution is too small for me to read at 12+ feet away.. everything looks great.. I also have a very good 26" LED computer monitor and find that I never use it.

I have everthing going through a sony AVR (STR DN1000) works like a charm..I dont game but I have played a few games via computer and I did not notice anything that would cause me to regret my choice.

I should point out tha my ATI card has HDMI out, I have that going through the receiver and it passes sound from computer through the system.. this way I dont need aditional audio cables.
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

Ouch, said the box. I've found I can use a utility knife or any knife with a sharp point to make a very light, just-scratching-the-surface incision in the box all the way around the label. Then you pry up one corner and start peeling. It comes off in one piece, leaving the box hardly any worse for wear, and it's like a piece of paper, easier for mailing.
That's exactly the way I did it. Just use a box knife and lightly cut all the way around the label, then just peel it off and bam, there you have it.
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I don't think the ST60 would pick up where it left off, so leaving it alone all weekend would be risky if there is a chance of power failure.
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Originally Posted by tuffluck View Post

It absolutely does not pick up where it left off, it goes back to the home screen where you will have to manually start over.

I don't think it's a good idea to leave unattended for more than about 8 hours. Luckily I work from home so without even trying I will catch a glimpse of the slides changing every hour or so. Nighttime is a little different when I sleep, but I trust it wink.gif

If you had a power failure, and then the power came back on, are you sure the TV would TURN BACK ON, and wouldn't just stay Off until you turned it on again confused.gif


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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

They are excellent. Try to make the connections as free of stress as possible.

What brand of cables are we talking about here ??
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Originally Posted by monochrome View Post

I'm very close to pulling the trigger 50ST60, but I still can't get a general consensus on whether or not plasmas (in general) are safe to use as a computer monitor/media center. Would definitely appreciate some advice in this regard.

I'm currently using an older Dell laptop (Studio 15) in my bedroom paired with a 27" Samsung LCD from '08 (not sure of the model). HDMI out from the laptop, RCA out from the tv to a Lepai mini-amp and Paradigm mini-monitors. Laptop handles 720p videos fine, and I've run 1080p before with no issues (albeit on a 42" LCD). I'm trying to scale this up for my living room, but I'm not sure how well, if at all, this setup would traslate to a 50" plasma.

Would the following be feasible w/out any additional upgrades?
1. Dell Studio 15 laptop HDMI out to 50ST60
2. Optical out from TV to Onkyo 5.1 receiver (older model, no HDMI out)
3. Receiver out to Boston Acoustics CR8s, CR5s, and CR2 center, and sub

For HDMI sources, the TV will convert DD5.1 and DTS to 2ch PCM for the optical output. It will pass the multichannel formats only for its builtin apps and files on USB drives. If your laptop had an optical out, you'd be set. My primary source for my 50ST60 is my PC. I run HDMI from the PC to the TV, but I run optical from the PC motherboard to the AVR. So the TV doesn't have anything at all to do with the sound, and I get the lossy multichannel formats just fine.
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I'm also concerned about potential for burn-in due to static images (task bar, desktop background, etc), but I'd primarily be using it as a media center.

I get IR of the XBMC pause banner regularly, and I never leave it paused for more than a minute or two. It does go away, and from normal viewing distance of 7-8 feet, I don't ever really notice it. Sometimes I can see a faint trace of it and the Viera Menu text in pastel light backgrounds, like in animation, but I pretty much have to be looking for it. What do these two things have in common? White text on a black background. Anything high-contrast like that causes it. That said, far more bothersome is the buzzing and rainbow effect I observe. I could not see using it for any significant amount of time as a PC monitor, where I sit closer and typically don't have any audio playing to mask the buzzing. Line bleed would also be more frequently encountered when using desktop applications, and then there's the ABL causing the brightness to change as windows come and go and are resized. LCDs win hands down for PC monitor use; plasmas aren't even playing the same game. The ST60 is fine for a TV, though, and while it has its plasma problems, it doesn't have LCD problems like poor uniformity and black levels, flashlighting, etc.
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I use xbmc for the majority of my content viewing, there is the option of a screensaver so I downloaded the "big pictures screensaver". Brings up tons of cool pictures and keeps the screen from burning in. Even then I've been looking for image retention with the menus on 16:9 content and still have yet to see anything.
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Originally Posted by HD2Blu View Post

You may want to double check...I calibrated mine at 200 hours and now Dnice is suggesting that you wait until 300. Based on Dnice noticing shift in his TV, you may seriously want to wait.

Related to the quote above, I read through the 2013 Flat Panel Shootout thread and caught a comment that I quoted below....


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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

Some other information that came out of the shootout, for those who will be calibrating their displays.....the Panasonic phosphors taker longer to stabilize on this years models, so you would be wise to put at least 200-250 hrs on it prior to having it calibrated.

I assume this comment applies to the ST60, VT60 and ZT60 panels. If so then 100 hours is not enough for aging those phosphors prior to calibration, looks like 250 to 300 hours could be recommended going forward. I wonder if D-Nice will have to update his own calibaration settings since they were originally done for an ST60 panel aged only 100 hours.
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