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Originally Posted by systemlayers View Post

I use xbmc for the majority of my content viewing, there is the option of a screensaver so I downloaded the "big pictures screensaver". Brings up tons of cool pictures and keeps the screen from burning in. Even then I've been looking for image retention with the menus on 16:9 content and still have yet to see anything.

Here's a good color that makes it show up for me, Olive Green, RGB(76,91,26). Open Paint, create a 1920x1080 image, set this color, and fill the whole image. Then press F11 to go full-screen and look for IR. You could also save the image and add it to XBMC. You should leave the TV menu on screen for a few minutes first or the XBMC pause banner up for a few minutes. Both 50ST60s and the 50S60 I've had in the house exhibited similar amounts of IR, which is quickly acquired and slower to dissipate even when using Screen Wipe or Jscreenfix. Again, like I said, it's not a big problem, but it does exist, and it is occasionally noticeable in real content like animation. And I've even been using lowish contrast of 64-72 over the last couple of weeks. The colors that bring out the IR can vary. The first ST60 would show it on a bright green screen RGB(0,255,0), but the second one really doesn't. All three showed it on ~ 30% gray, which is where I first noticed it, in some Panel Prep slides. Then again, if it ain't buggin' ya, why go look for it? cool.gif
post #4592 of 12406
So who here is using the Darbee vision darblet and does it get rid of the 'softness' some speak of on the ST60s? I've been reading about it although I'm pretty skeptical.
post #4593 of 12406
My 1st ST60 (50") was returned for sudden loss of panel brightness (discussed in previous posting) . . . Second ST60 was returned today. I'm now on my third set, running slides (again) - I REALLY want to love this TV, but Panasonic sure isn't making it easy.

Day before yesterday I'm watching Anchorman on cable with my wife (I sat down in passing and watched a few minutes between projects around the house) and I noticed that in a few of the close up scenes the color didn't look quite right re: skin / facial tone (almost like a pink banding of color). I blew it off as my wife wearing a bright pink shirt and there being a ton of daylight / reflection in the room and my needing to maybe run through and make sure she or my son hadn't changed any of the custom settings. The TV was prepped with slides (religiously, for a little over 100 hours) and D'nice's recommended settings applied as a starting point - I finished it off from there until the PQ matched my tastes (using the Disney WoW disc and my eye). Well, I finally have time to sit down to make sure everything is okay and first thing I do is run some slides to take a look at things after noticing the settings are exactly how I left them. Damn if there isn't a huge pink bloom almost dead middle screen beginning at the bottom running 2/3 up and then cutting out and appearing again at the top - an additional small amount of pink bloom was noticed by my son center panel far right, also. I ran slides all night after flipping pixels for a couple hours (I didn't think it would help but was worth a try). I also tired the old trick from a few years ago of turning the set off and on quickly, to no avail.

I called Panasonic, and after 30 minutes of frustration trying to get them to even understand the issue, I said screw it, boxed it up and drove it back.

Now I guess I get to see if the third time really is the charm with the ST60 series, because there won't be a fourth.

I'm curious to know if anyone else (their having run slides in the prescribed manner for 100 hours and having watched some content afterwards) were to throw slides up and notice any light pink blotching / blooming also . . . I can't be the only one.

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Edited by devilish69 - 5/16/13 at 6:36pm
post #4594 of 12406
Anyone noticing sink marks in the lower part of the frame?
post #4595 of 12406
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Ouch, said the box. I've found I can use a utility knife or any knife with a sharp point to make a very light, just-scratching-the-surface incision in the box all the way around the label. Then you pry up one corner and start peeling. It comes off in one piece, leaving the box hardly any worse for wear, and it's like a piece of paper, easier for mailing.
Sounds like you buy computer parts often ? LOL, I do the same thing for mail-in-rebates, mainly computer parts. November / December has to be the best time to buy computer parts, some parts are just given away !
post #4596 of 12406
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Originally Posted by bento View Post

Will using Monster ScreenClean be okay to clean the screen? I used it on my old DLP and did not notice any issues. Was wondering what everybody's cleaning method is for their ST60s?

I use a product called Purosol all natural lens cleaner along with Shaxon Ultra Absorbent Microfiber Cleaning Cloths. These are nice, large, thick microfiber cloths, not those paper thin ones you see everywhere. This combination works great!
post #4597 of 12406
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Sounds like you buy computer parts often ? LOL, I do the same thing for mail-in-rebates, mainly computer parts. November / December has to be the best time to buy computer parts, some parts are just given away !

Yep, and I got tired of cutting up all my boxes, many of which I keep. Some people badmouth rebates as unreliable and a ripoff, but I've done at least a couple dozen over the last 10 years, and I've received every single one. I always add a couple of weeks to the max processing time and set up an Outlook reminder, so I know I haven't missed any.
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

They are excellent. Try to make the connections as free of stress as possible.

What brand of cables are we talking about here ??
I think they were talking about these.

Blue Rigger HDMI cables at Amazon

I couldn't find anything about what gage they are. I've never used them so I can't compare them to the 28 AWG high speed Monoprice HDMI cables that I've used. There is no reason to doubt them unless they are too stiff for a particular installation.
post #4599 of 12406
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I think they were talking about these.

Blue Rigger HDMI cables at Amazon

I couldn't find anything about what gage they are. I've never used them so I can't compare them to the 28 AWG high speed Monoprice HDMI cables that I've used. There is no reason to doubt them unless they are too stiff for a particular installation.

Oh ok, thx!

These 'look' nice for that price !
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Woooo! New TV!!! It's the 60", the first I've wall mounted, and my first plasma. I've wanted a Panasonic plasma for probably close to 10 years.

I'm running slides now, but I've done some TV watching and briefly watched a Blu-ray to see how it was. It's a DRASTIC change from the 55" RP-CRT it's replacing!

Picture of the new TV:
post #4601 of 12406
^^^ looks Sweet !
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I recall some peeps in this thread wanting to know what I thought of 3D on the ST60 vs the F8500 when I finally got mine in. Here you go.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1463454/official-samsung-pnxxf8500-series-discussion-thread-no-street-price-talk/6200_50#post_23325164
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Pretty strong praise for the F8500. Did you fully return your ST60 Moonchilde? I have yet to even try 3D on my ST60 because I care about it so little but I appreciate your posts.
post #4604 of 12406
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Originally Posted by systemlayers View Post

Pretty strong praise for the F8500. Did you fully return your ST60 Moonchilde? I have yet to even try 3D on my ST60 because I care about it so little but I appreciate your posts.

Yes it's returned already. The input lag isn't much better on the F8500 (about 1 frame of difference in PC mode vs ST60 Game mode, which btw PC mode looks pretty decent) but every other aspect I love. Both panels are bright with great PQ but the it's all the little things about the F8500 that make you appreciate it more and why I consider it a step above. You can't look at it and say "that's a plasma" because the things in the past that defined plasma are not there on the F8500. It's like a thin profile CRT.
post #4605 of 12406
Can someone provide a link to D Nices settings? A friend picked one up at East Coast tv and I'm leaning towards getting the ST60 as well.

Jeff
post #4606 of 12406
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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

Yes it's returned already. The input lag isn't much better on the F8500 (about 1 frame of difference in PC mode vs ST60 Game mode, which btw PC mode looks pretty decent) but every other aspect I love. Both panels are bright with great PQ but the it's all the little things about the F8500 that make you appreciate it more and why I consider it a step above. You can't look at it and say "that's a plasma" because the things in the past that defined plasma are not there on the F8500. It's like a thin profile CRT.

How much more did you spend for the F8500 vs the ST60?
post #4607 of 12406
$2k vs $1k.
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Originally Posted by pronghorn/az View Post

Can someone provide a link to D Nices settings? A friend picked one up at East Coast tv and I'm leaning towards getting the ST60 as well.

Jeff
2013 Panasonic Settings/Issues Thread
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Hi. New plasma noob here, just looking for a quick answer.


I just picked up my 60st60..... While doing the slides, about 20 minutes in, this pink verticle line appeared on the mid left side of the screen. Went from the top, to about 3/4 the way down. I swapped the input to regular tv, and it disappeared. The slides have been restarted where they left off for about 20 minutes and it seems good so far.....I'm glad I bought the extended warranty.....


So how long do I have before this panel fails? Lol. Not a good start to my plasma life, lol.
post #4610 of 12406
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Originally Posted by ecpackers View Post

Hi. New plasma noob here, just looking for a quick answer.


I just picked up my 60st60..... While doing the slides, about 20 minutes in, this pink verticle line appeared on the mid left side of the screen. Went from the top, to about 3/4 the way down. I swapped the input to regular tv, and it disappeared. The slides have been restarted where they left off for about 20 minutes and it seems good so far.....I'm glad I bought the extended warranty.....


So how long do I have before this panel fails? Lol. Not a good start to my plasma life, lol.

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Not sure what that is.. it only appeared once?? It could be a glitch, or it could be a problem with your set. You better get those hours in on those slides and see if it comes back tomorrow or over the weekend, if so, jump on your dealer Monday morning sharp wink.gif
post #4611 of 12406
Hrmmmm..... Yeah, I'll just leave it run and see if it happens again. Research I've done seems to indicate that it's A) a bad panel. Or B) noise interfeance? Anyways. To answer your question, yes, iterated, I was like wtf as I instantly noticed it, swapped the input to regular HDTV, and it went away.....which probably is insignificant, but never know. I got that warranty anyways. 😄
post #4612 of 12406
Yeah, that isn't normal. It could be a software bug though, like if for whatever reason the object you were using to play back the slides had a video glitch.

Hope it wasn't the panel. I know how crappy it is to have to return a display. Keep an eye on it the next week or so and be on the look out for it, and see if it shows up on other material after you run the slides.
post #4613 of 12406
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Originally Posted by ecpackers View Post

Hrmmmm..... Yeah, I'll just leave it run and see if it happens again. Research I've done seems to indicate that it's A) a bad panel. Or B) noise interfeance? Anyways. To answer your question, yes, iterated, I was like wtf as I instantly noticed it, swapped the input to regular HDTV, and it went away.....which probably is insignificant, but never know. I got that warranty anyways. 😄

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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

Yeah, that isn't normal. It could be a software bug though, like if for whatever reason the object you were using to play back the slides had a video glitch.

Hope it wasn't the panel. I know how crappy it is to have to return a display. Keep an eye on it the next week or so and be on the look out for it, and see if it shows up on other material after you run the slides.

Yeah I think you're good, like Moonchilde said keep an eye out for it for the next little while, but it really doesn't sound like much. And like you said, you have warranty smile.gif
post #4614 of 12406
yes, not worried. but i think i'll call bestbuy tomorrow anyways...

the line just popped back up.... was pink, on a red background slide... then the slide turned to grey, and the line turned to blue.... slide turned to yellow, line turned to green...


kinda strange.it starts at the top, and abruptly stops about 5 or so inches from the bottom. can't give you an exact figure on the width, its wider than a pixel, maybe 2 pixels wide.... though i'm not 100% sure how wide 1 pixel is...heh.


now the line is on the screen, even when the input in changed...


lol, what are the odds. i get this ballin' awesome tv, and only 30 minutes in has this problem. so goes life.

ah well, i'll live with it until BB ships a new one to me ;p
post #4615 of 12406
^^^

Yeah sure starting to sound like you should definitely look into this sooner rather than later.

It happens..
post #4616 of 12406
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Originally Posted by caeguy View Post

Anyone noticing sink marks in the lower part of the frame?

Not sure what you mean. However I did notice that if you look down the edge of my panel, viewing from the side, looking down the top edge, I noticed that the panel is bowed outward about a 1/2" in the center. So, looks like I got a new curved flat panel & didn'r even realise it! Who needs OLED?!? Just wished it would of bowed the other way...
post #4617 of 12406
hmmm, woke up this morning, turned on tv. line gone.



wtf. and THAT's why you extend the warranty, for all i know, it'll probably be intermittent for the next 1 year, then BAM, stuck on. lol
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also... i've never owned a plasma, but is it normal, when you are very close to the screen (inches) that you can see little tiny R/G/B particles flashing around like snow? i mean, i'm kinda a tv noob, but you know, like it looks like snow all over the whole screen, i'm guessing thats what makes up the picture, anyways, is that normal?
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Originally Posted by cadett 
Here are the settings a arrived at for dim lit room on my 60"ST60.
Software: Calamn 4
Meter: Eye One Pro Retail

Picture Mode: Custom
Contrast: 87
Brightness: +1
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
Color Temp: Warm2
Vivid Color: Off
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Off
MPEG NR: Off
Motion Smoother: Off


Pro Settings
Panel Brightness: Mid
AGC: 0
Black Extension: 0
Color Gamut: Normal

W/B Detail Adjustment
W/B High R: 0
W/B High G: 0
W/B High B: -6
W/B Low R: 0
W/B Low G: 0
W/B Low B: 0

(W/B) More Detail Adjustment
10 W/B R: -8
10 W/B G: 0
10 W/B B: 4

20 W/B R: 21
20 W/B G: 0
20 W/B B: 0

30 W/B R: 19
30 W/B G: 0
30 W/B B: 3

40 W/B R: 10
40 W/B G: 0
40 W/B B: -3

50 W/B R: 9
50 W/B G: 0
50 W/B B: -4

60 W/B R: 5
60 W/B G: 0
60 W/B B: 0

70 W/B R: 0
70 W/B G: 0
70 W/B B: -2

80 W/B R: -2
80 W/B G: 0
80 W/B B: -1

90 W/B R: -1
90 W/B G: 0
90 W/B B: 4

100 W/B R: -6
100 W/B G: 0
100 W/B B: 8

Color Detail Adjustment
R-Hue: -4
R-Sat: -9
R-Lum: -3

G-Hue: 2
G-Sat: -50
G-Lum: -2

B-Hue: -1
B-Sat: -15
B-Lum: -6


Gamma Detail Adjustment
Gamma: 2.4

(Gamma) More Detail Adjustment
10 Gain: -16
20 Gain: -5
30 Gain: -7
40 Gain: -3
50 Gain: -2
60 Gain: -3
70 Gain: -2
80 Gain: -1
90 Gain: -1
100 Gain: 0

Advance Picture
3:2 PullDown: Auto

HDMI Content Type
***Leave settings in this menu at their default***

HDMI/DVI RGB Range
***Leave settings in this menu at their default***

just want to thank you for these settings. I did the 100hr prep per dnice so I can use his settings but I prefer yours. Let me just say the PQ is amazing smile.gif

I think there's just enough variations between individual units that sometimes dnice's settings are spot-on and sometimes settings from others, such as those posted by cadett, might be better. I got my TC-P66ST60 last week, did the 100-hour thing with dnice's slides, then applied his settings. There was an immense improvement but I did find some material a bit too dark. For a lark, I used cadett's posted settings and, while the difference isn't night-and-day, I do like the image even better with his settings than with dnice's. I guess my set varies from the norm in much the same way that noobhere's set does. Thanks for posting (or re-posting) these settings!

Maybe my reading of the manual wasn't as thorough as it could have been, but even after I had copied these custom settings I'd applied to the HDMI 1 input over to all other inputs, my streaming video and JPEGs and video from the USB inputs seemed too dark. WAY too dark. I fumbled around and last night realized that I hadn't actually selected the "custom" setting for those other inputs. Once I did, they looked great! D'oh!

I keep vacation photos in vacation-specific subfolders on a USB drive and don't like how these sets default to showing ALL images on the selected drive. Last night I also realized that the "sort" option allows me to select just what subfolder's images I want to see. Again, not super clear in the manual, but I'm happy now!

Man, this is a great set! The colors are great, motion is great and the blacks! If the scene is all black, it's hard to tell if the set is turned on! Now, that's black!
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I was thinking when I get my new tv (hopefully very soon) I will just start watching programs on the TV, try out the settings posted here/cnet and tweak it to my liking. I wasn't going to have the patience to run the slides for 4 full days. But from some of the posts here I see another advantage that running the slides accelerates the possibility of discovering an issue, if any, with the TV before the return period.
So those who are replacing their main TV that run the slides keep the tv in a separate location for 4 days so while it is running the slides you can continue to watch TV?
And if I run the slides from the USB flash drive, do I need to change some settings from default so the tv doesn't go offline or start running a screen saver after a while?
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