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post #4711 of 12344
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Originally Posted by avdoc View Post

Wanted to let everyone know I just returned by 60" to BB in Brentwood. I'm just not a plasma guy. I didn't like how electronic-looking the image was and how much heat the panel produced. I got a LED instead and am happier with the clearer picture. Just wanted to let people know since the open box will be a good deal for someone.

I think that's a 1st for a pdp.
post #4712 of 12344
I've always wondered what an electronic-like image looked like. confused.gif

Please don't tell me. I want to continue wandering. I do know about movie-like images that plasma is known for, or SBE which LCD sometimes evokes. smile.gif
post #4713 of 12344
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Originally Posted by BruceOrlando View Post

Amazing that you just posted this -- as I just accidentally ran across it myself.



Any severe image retention of the CNN tickers on the bottom?
post #4714 of 12344
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Originally Posted by c-lo83 View Post

Hey guys, seriously considering buying this TV. Should I be concerned that plasmas are going to be discontinued? Will that affect the ability to get parts/service? Thanks!

The manufacterer is required by law to stock parts for seven years:

(b) Every manufacturer making an express warranty with respect to an electronic or appliance product described in subdivision (h), (i), (j), or (k) of Section 9801 of the Business and Professions Code, with a wholesale price to the retailer of one hundred dollars ($100) or more, shall make available to service and repair facilities sufficient service literature and functional parts to effect the repair of a product for at least seven years after the date a product model or type was manufactured, regardless of whether the seven-year period exceeds the warranty period for the product.

Which can be pretty meaningless considering that a commonly defective replacement part such as an LCD's TCON board can go for $400+ just 4 years after manufacture date. Add in labor and the poor-to-non-existent warranty, and the cheaper TVs (under say $2K) are basically uneconomical to repair.
post #4715 of 12344
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

Which can be pretty meaningless considering that a commonly defective replacement part such as an LCD's TCON board can go for $400+ just 4 years after manufacture date. Add in labor and the poor-to-non-existent warranty, and the cheaper TVs (under say $2K) are basically uneconomical to repair.

There are plenty of circuit boards for Panny plasmas on ebay for around $20-$150 or so. I've also seen MANY Panny plasmas in local listings with broken screens dirt cheap. Replacing a board is usually just a few screws and a few connectors. Wheather the manufacterer has parts or not, the TVs can still be repaired.

A search on the internet for the problem will usually get you the board that needs replaced.
post #4716 of 12344
Just came back from a day out and the guy at our local BB is great! I mentioned that East Coast Elec. had it for this so and so price and he told me to bring the add in and he will match it. I asked if he could show what a Blu Ray looks like (since they had pics of fruit etc) and they put on Avatar. The wife was impressed with the off axis viewing angle but commented on the fact that the colors are to bright, actually the greens in the bushes! . The sales guy and I told her it will look different at home for sure. Avatar looked amazing for sure. Also!!! On another note a couple was hmmming and hawing about what tv to buy. They were looking at a Sammy lcd and the 60ST50. I told them the skinny on the Panny and they immediately bought the Panny!! BB owes me!!!

Jeff
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Originally Posted by Lethean View Post

Man this all seems overwhelming with the menu options. I don't even know what the hell pixel direct is.

Finally got a damn tv!!!!!! :-)
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I currently have the Samsung pn59d8000 plasma and am in the market for a new tv. I'm seriously considering the 65 ST60. For owners, how would you say the brightness on this set is? Is it bright for a plasma? How would the brightness compare to the Samsung plasmas?
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

Which can be pretty meaningless considering that a commonly defective replacement part such as an LCD's TCON board can go for $400+ just 4 years after manufacture date. Add in labor and the poor-to-non-existent warranty, and the cheaper TVs (under say $2K) are basically uneconomical to repair.

There are plenty of circuit boards for Panny plasmas on ebay for around $20-$150 or so. I've also seen MANY Panny plasmas in local listings with broken screens dirt cheap. Replacing a board is usually just a few screws and a few connectors. Wheather the manufacterer has parts or not, the TVs can still be repaired.

A search on the internet for the problem will usually get you the board that needs replaced.

One would think that's true, but my experience is that it doesn't work out that way for commonly defective parts like certain TCON boards, the vast majority (100% IME) of which available on eBay and at places like Shopjimmy.com are defective. They generally go for around $100, while Sony wants over $400 for a new one, and specifically disclaims any and all warranty for the part. I went through six of the used ones before giving up, five causing different problems relative to each other, and all six causing very different problems compared to mine, while replacing mine always returned my set to its original problem, a handful of 4" long flickering lines, which several people had documented with video and photos as a TCON problem and fixed by replacing the TCON board. And yes, I did verify I was getting the right part based on model and serial number range per a Sony document on the subject and verified against stickers on the board, that are more specific than the identifying numbers silkscreened on the board. So even if you're confident of the diagnosis and the exact part you need, it's not a given that you can buy a working replacement part for a reasonable price, assuming you can even find one. During the six months I fooled with this, there were periods of several weeks when no TCON boards were available. Half the ones I've seen on eBay are out of China, and needless to say, I didn't try any of them.

Basically, any time you see a TV part up for sale and advertised as "fully working but coming from a TV with a broken screen", you should assume some hack harvested a dead TV for next to nothing, salvaged the parts, and put them up for sale with zero testing. Some are clearly failed repair attempts; one I received had a resistor soldered across a surface-mounted fuse. The parts that work are pure, huge profit. So what if they have even a relatively high return rate?

The danger is, TVs of a given model may have a typical failure mode, and when all the salvaged TVs failed for the same reason, getting a good used replacement part is basically impossible. Then you get to call the manufacturer and find out they want half of what a new TV would cost. And what about people who can't or choose not to try to repair their own sets, or problems that cannot be diagnosed easily? They're faced with paying hundreds for the labor of a real tech.
post #4720 of 12344
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Originally Posted by dank0723 View Post

I currently have the Samsung pn59d8000 plasma and am in the market for a new tv. I'm seriously considering the 65 ST60. For owners, how would you say the brightness on this set is? Is it bright for a plasma? How would the brightness compare to the Samsung plasmas?
I have owned a d8000 and currently own a 65st60. You will be very happy with this set. As far as brightness, I calibrated my custom for day viewing at 40fl with plenty of headroom. Black level is quite a leap from the d8000, I got a measurement of .0015 last night if that tells you anything. IMO price/performance, you want find anything better
post #4721 of 12344
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

One would think that's true, but my experience is that it doesn't work out that way for commonly defective parts like certain TCON boards, the vast majority (100% IME) of which available on eBay and at places like Shopjimmy.com are defective. They generally go for around $100, while Sony wants over $400 for a new one, and specifically disclaims any and all warranty for the part. I went through six of the used ones before giving up, five causing different problems relative to each other, and all six causing very different problems compared to mine, while replacing mine always returned my set to its original problem, a handful of 4" long flickering lines, which several people had documented with video and photos as a TCON problem and fixed by replacing the TCON board. And yes, I did verify I was getting the right part based on model and serial number range per a Sony document on the subject and verified against stickers on the board, that are more specific than the identifying numbers silkscreened on the board. So even if you're confident of the diagnosis and the exact part you need, it's not a given that you can buy a working replacement part for a reasonable price, assuming you can even find one. During the six months I fooled with this, there were periods of several weeks when no TCON boards were available. Half the ones I've seen on eBay are out of China, and needless to say, I didn't try any of them.

Basically, any time you see a TV part up for sale and advertised as "fully working but coming from a TV with a broken screen", you should assume some hack harvested a dead TV for next to nothing, salvaged the parts, and put them up for sale with zero testing. Some are clearly failed repair attempts; one I received had a resistor soldered across a surface-mounted fuse. The parts that work are pure, huge profit. So what if they have even a relatively high return rate?

The danger is, TVs of a given model may have a typical failure mode, and when all the salvaged TVs failed for the same reason, getting a good used replacement part is basically impossible. Then you get to call the manufacturer and find out they want half of what a new TV would cost. And what about people who can't or choose not to try to repair their own sets, or problems that cannot be diagnosed easily? They're faced with paying hundreds for the labor of a real tech.

Well I guess we should all just not buy TVs according to you. Sony and Panasonic, two very different companies.
post #4722 of 12344
Any Mac users around?

I'm trying to connect my 2012 11" MacBook Air to my p60st60 using a new Monoprice Mini DisplayPort to HDMI adapter & 6' 28awg HDMI cable.

My TV displays a "No signal" message and my Mac does not show a secondary display option under System Preferences > Displays. I thought it was a handshake issue so I turned off the TV and Mac, turned on the TV, turned on the Mac, but the problem persists.

Any ideas to get this working?
post #4723 of 12344
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Originally Posted by samijubal View Post

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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

One would think that's true, but my experience is that it doesn't work out that way for commonly defective parts like certain TCON boards, the vast majority (100% IME) of which available on eBay and at places like Shopjimmy.com are defective. They generally go for around $100, while Sony wants over $400 for a new one, and specifically disclaims any and all warranty for the part. I went through six of the used ones before giving up, five causing different problems relative to each other, and all six causing very different problems compared to mine, while replacing mine always returned my set to its original problem, a handful of 4" long flickering lines, which several people had documented with video and photos as a TCON problem and fixed by replacing the TCON board. And yes, I did verify I was getting the right part based on model and serial number range per a Sony document on the subject and verified against stickers on the board, that are more specific than the identifying numbers silkscreened on the board. So even if you're confident of the diagnosis and the exact part you need, it's not a given that you can buy a working replacement part for a reasonable price, assuming you can even find one. During the six months I fooled with this, there were periods of several weeks when no TCON boards were available. Half the ones I've seen on eBay are out of China, and needless to say, I didn't try any of them.

Basically, any time you see a TV part up for sale and advertised as "fully working but coming from a TV with a broken screen", you should assume some hack harvested a dead TV for next to nothing, salvaged the parts, and put them up for sale with zero testing. Some are clearly failed repair attempts; one I received had a resistor soldered across a surface-mounted fuse. The parts that work are pure, huge profit. So what if they have even a relatively high return rate?

The danger is, TVs of a given model may have a typical failure mode, and when all the salvaged TVs failed for the same reason, getting a good used replacement part is basically impossible. Then you get to call the manufacturer and find out they want half of what a new TV would cost. And what about people who can't or choose not to try to repair their own sets, or problems that cannot be diagnosed easily? They're faced with paying hundreds for the labor of a real tech.

Well I guess we should all just not buy TVs according to you. Sony and Panasonic, two very different companies.

Bye now!
post #4724 of 12344
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Originally Posted by pronghorn/az View Post

Just came back from a day out and the guy at our local BB is great! I mentioned that East Coast Elec. had it for this so and so price and he told me to bring the add in and he will match it. I asked if he could show what a Blu Ray looks like (since they had pics of fruit etc) and they put on Avatar. The wife was impressed with the off axis viewing angle but commented on the fact that the colors are to bright, actually the greens in the bushes! . The sales guy and I told her it will look different at home for sure. Avatar looked amazing for sure. Also!!! On another note a couple was hmmming and hawing about what tv to buy. They were looking at a Sammy lcd and the 60ST50. I told them the skinny on the Panny and they immediately bought the Panny!! BB owes me!!!

Jeff

The Best Buy ST60 on display is set to "standard" the colors are NOT accurate. These will be more "colorful" than they should. On a positive note - it goes to show that the TV CAN produce brighter colors.
post #4725 of 12344
Thanks Adrian. How would you say the screen glare is compared to the d8000?
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Originally Posted by biggweeziehd View Post

Finally got a damn tv!!!!!! :-)

Haha not yet! It will be here Tuesday though smile.gif I just saw someone mention pixel direct earlier. Definitely a lot more settings than my LED has!
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So for some crazy reason, even though I absolutely loved my st60 , I was at my 14 days, and decided I would take it back to try the samsung f7100 just so I was sure I made the right choice . So that was 12 noon today, I got home later tonight, hooked up the new Sammy led, no flash lighting , but the picture doesn't even come close to what I had been seeing with my st60, and the motion no matter what the setting, judders and skips at times. I boxed the sammy up within 2 hours, but now feel sick to my stomach for trading my st60 for this 7100. Will be calling best buy at 10 am tomm, to see if they still have myst60 . Hoping they didn't sell it as open box today. Led maybe for some people, but I can't get over how bad the motion is on these tvs
post #4728 of 12344
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Originally Posted by bucknuts07 View Post

So for some crazy reason, even though I absolutely loved my st60 , I was at my 14 days, and decided I would take it back to try the samsung f7100 just so I was sure I made the right choice . So that was 12 noon today, I got home later tonight, hooked up the new Sammy led, no flash lighting , but the picture doesn't even come close to what I had been seeing with my st60, and the motion no matter what the setting, judders and skips at times. I boxed the sammy up within 2 hours, but now feel sick to my stomach for trading my st60 for this 7100. Will be calling best buy at 10 am tomm, to see if they still have myst60 . Hoping they didn't sell it as open box today. Led maybe for some people, but I can't get over how bad the motion is on these tvs

I have owned the samsung unes8000 led, for about 3 weeks, and I did not see any judder or motion blur at all, .. I am not sure what the specs are on your set compared to that one., But that being said,, I actually preferred the panny's PQ more so than that particular line of samsung's PQ..
post #4729 of 12344
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Originally Posted by TheAnswer_03 View Post

Any severe image retention of the CNN tickers on the bottom?

No, my 65ST60 hasn't shown any propensity for image retention -- though that could change. Right now I'm very pleased with it!
!
post #4730 of 12344
Got to watch my TV all weekend finally after the 100 hours of slides. At first I wasn't overly impressed when I watched the Rangers on FSSW comparing back to my Sammy LN55B650, but I realized Fox's signal through TW Cable just kind of stinks. I watched some golf on CBS, River Monsters, and a few other shows which looked noticeably better than the Samsung. Jurassic Park 3D was a pretty awesome experience, but I think the audio had a lot do with that too, because it was the first time I got to listen to my new speakers biggrin.gif

I also did both D-Nice's settings and Cnet's, and my wife and I agree the D-Nice settings look better.

I didn't have any problem with glare whatsoever.
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Originally Posted by pronghorn/az View Post

Just came back from a day out and the guy at our local BB is great! I mentioned that East Coast Elec. had it for this so and so price and he told me to bring the add in and he will match it

I'm going to call Sears tomorrow and see if they can retroactively price match since I used my Sears card anyways. Then try to get them to take off the shipping charge as well.
post #4732 of 12344
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Originally Posted by bucknuts07 View Post

So for some crazy reason, even though I absolutely loved my st60 , I was at my 14 days, and decided I would take it back to try the samsung f7100 just so I was sure I made the right choice . So that was 12 noon today, I got home later tonight, hooked up the new Sammy led, no flash lighting , but the picture doesn't even come close to what I had been seeing with my st60, and the motion no matter what the setting, judders and skips at times. I boxed the sammy up within 2 hours, but now feel sick to my stomach for trading my st60 for this 7100. Will be calling best buy at 10 am tomm, to see if they still have myst60 . Hoping they didn't sell it as open box today. Led maybe for some people, but I can't get over how bad the motion is on these tvs
Well, at least you know now.
post #4733 of 12344
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Originally Posted by Hillary View Post

Hi everyone, few questions that I would appreciate greatly if someone took the time to answer.
I currently have the UT50 set and really hate it, but also never had plasma before.

1.
When I surf white/light internet pages, the screen dims down to grey and dark on the ut50, this happens in movies also, but not as bad as light internet pages.
The screen literary goes grayer and grayer the further I scroll if the page gets brighter downwards (all eco/power save features are turned off).
Will this happen on the ST60 as well?

2.
I use my TV for both console and xbox gaming, does the input lag really rule this tv out then?

3.
Are these tv's generally a lot darker then lcd tv's?

Hi Hilary, lucky you I had a UT50 before exchanging it for a ST60 before exchanging that for a F8500.

1. The ST60 will still have the auto dimming you saw, but not nearly as bad. With eco settings off and C.A.T.S. disabled, you usually will get a nice, bright white image. I never really had any problems with the ST60 and ABL. It was much more noticeable with the UT50. I think that aspect of the TV would be good for you.

2. Hmm, that depends. Are you sensitive to input lag? What kind of games are you playing? Are you going to play PC games? For me, the majority of the answers is yes, and that I think this TV isn't really good for gaming. It's ok at times, like if you played games strictly on PC and at 60 fps, then it's "ok" for gaming. But anything lower than 60 fps feels unresponsive to a degree. If you're used to low lag gaming, then I wouldn't recommend the TV. The UT50 is almost twice as fast as the ST60 for gaming.

3. In general, they are darker. Darker blacks, and not as punchy whites.

So, the only thing you have to really ask yourself is, do you want 3D? If you don't, then I'd heartily recommend picking up a S60 or a S64, it's actually faster than the UT50 for gaming but it doesn't have 3D. It will have just as deep blacks yet better colors.
post #4734 of 12344
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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

Hi Hilary, lucky you I had a UT50 before exchanging it for a ST60 before exchanging that for a F8500.

1. The ST60 will still have the auto dimming you saw, but not nearly as bad. With eco settings off and C.A.T.S. disabled, you usually will get a nice, bright white image. I never really had any problems with the ST60 and ABL. It was much more noticeable with the UT50. I think that aspect of the TV would be good for you.

2. Hmm, that depends. Are you sensitive to input lag? What kind of games are you playing? Are you going to play PC games? For me, the majority of the answers is yes, and that I think this TV isn't really good for gaming. It's ok at times, like if you played games strictly on PC and at 60 fps, then it's "ok" for gaming. But anything lower than 60 fps feels unresponsive to a degree. If you're used to low lag gaming, then I wouldn't recommend the TV. The UT50 is almost twice as fast as the ST60 for gaming.

3. In general, they are darker. Darker blacks, and not as punchy whites.

So, the only thing you have to really ask yourself is, do you want 3D? If you don't, then I'd heartily recommend picking up a S60 or a S64, it's actually faster than the UT50 for gaming but it doesn't have 3D. It will have just as deep blacks yet better colors.

The s60 isn't available in Norway, so I will keep on digging as the st60 model does not seem to be for me.
None of the PC games are less then 60fps, but the xbox 360 games are complete random.
It really sucks though, cause the picture quality really sounds good on this, but at the same time I like bright screens so perhaps I should try dig up some good LED models if they exist.

Thanks for taking the time to answer, pretty cool that you had hands on experience with the UT50 as well!
Maybe mine is defective, if not it really is the worst display I've ever had.

Edit: And no, I will never ever use 3D probably, but it's hard to find a set without it, nor will I use the "smart" functions.
Edited by Hillary - 5/20/13 at 12:00am
post #4735 of 12344
Europe has access to the GT60, which would have great PQ and would be no slower than the UT50. But it would be more expensive. Still, if you can afford a ST60, then a little bit more to get just about everything you could want in the GT60 might be worth the extra cash.

LCD models will have their own set of issues though, and often they're pricier for some reason.

Check over this artcile: http://www.displaylag.com/introducing-2013s-best-hdtvs-for-gaming-part-1/ It may give you a good starting point and it has both LCD and plasma.
post #4736 of 12344
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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

Europe has access to the GT60, which would have great PQ and would be no slower than the UT50. But it would be more expensive. Still, if you can afford a ST60, then a little bit more to get just about everything you could want in the GT60 might be worth the extra cash.

LCD models will have their own set of issues though, and often they're pricier for some reason.

Check over this artcile: http://www.displaylag.com/introducing-2013s-best-hdtvs-for-gaming-part-1/ It may give you a good starting point and it has both LCD and plasma.

In Norway, there is only the VT at the moment, and it's out of my price range (almost double price), there is no sign of GT.
Thanks for the link though, I'll do some reading!
post #4737 of 12344
I haven't kept up with this thread for quite awhile. Are ST60 owners having buzzing issues that some earlier model Panasonic plasma owners are having? I ask because if I can't get the buzzing issue fixed with my 60GT50 then I might push to have Best Buy replace it with a 60ST60. But if the ST60's are having buzzing issues then I won't bother seeking a replacement.

Bill
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I haven't kept up with this thread for quite awhile. Are ST60 owners having buzzing issues that some earlier model Panasonic plasma owners are having? I ask because if I can't get the buzzing issue fixed with my 60GT50 then I might push to have Best Buy replace it with a 60ST60. But if the ST60's are having buzzing issues then I won't bother seeking a replacement.

Bill

Some do buzz, just like any other plasma. But it doesn't seem like owners are really complaining about this with the ST60.

As for mine, I've never heard it buzz..
post #4739 of 12344
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Originally Posted by Hillary View Post

In Norway, there is only the VT at the moment, and it's out of my price range (almost double price), there is no sign of GT.
Thanks for the link though, I'll do some reading!

Well that's too bad.. the VT is sweet though, I wish.. biggrin.gifcool.gif

The price is 'not right' though compared to let's say the ST60.. Great set (the VT) but I guess you're paying for it - ST60 is by far the best value for money imo.
post #4740 of 12344
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I haven't kept up with this thread for quite awhile. Are ST60 owners having buzzing issues that some earlier model Panasonic plasma owners are having? I ask because if I can't get the buzzing issue fixed with my 60GT50 then I might push to have Best Buy replace it with a 60ST60. But if the ST60's are having buzzing issues then I won't bother seeking a replacement.

Bill

My 60st60 is nearly dead silent. I have Never heard it buzz Except when I checked for it while it was running slides. If I'm more than inches away no buzz
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